Introductions and many questions

evil.genius.todd

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I'm clearly in way over my head.

I just stumbled upon this place while searching for SPICE models of the new Luxeon K2's. omg... You guys are as obsessed about lighting and "doing it right" as I am.


BACKGROUND:
I love my mountain bike. So much so that I ride it year round. Here in Finland it gets dark in the winter....very very dark. In the northern parts the sun never bothers to come up for a large chunk of the winter. Down here in Tampere it is only up for a few hours in the dead of winter. The rest of the day it's pitch black. Everyone who rides a bike is required by law to have some form of illumination whenever it's dark. It's not so much so you can see anything, but more so others(like pedestrians and cars) can see you coming. Last winter I spent more time than I care to admit cursing my Black Diamond Moonlight. It is a fine, first generation LED light for it's original intended purposes(climbing, hiking, caving). But on a bike, at 50+ Kph, in the snow it's just uselessly underpowered.

So this year I decided I would have to get a better light, before the snow starts falling. I hit up several UK bike shops for various lighting solutions. And I managed to find all manner of very impressive looking solutions. Some HID, some Halogen, and Several Luxeon LED lights. But I was totally unimpressed with the cost/light ratio. Why should I pay 300€+ for a light with two $5 LED's in it? Are batteries, a pretty case, and a few circuits really worth that much? Heck no. Second I know the Luxeons are bright(50 or more times brighter than conventional white 5mm LED's).But only 2. Why even bother? I'm sure they are fine for warning off others and working close up. But that is simply not going to cut it for my purposes.

I want a real light assembly for my bike. I want to be able to read a newspaper in it at 40 meters. I want to burn the retinas out of any poor soul foolish enough to look directly at me. I want to disrupt air traffic. Is that to much to ask for? LOL

o.k. maybe not that bright. But two original Luxeons are not in my plan.

What I want:
I would like to build a light assembly for the handle bars on my bike. I've had several false starts for even a preliminary design layout. But with out knowing some of the basic design requirements for the Luxeons(and other LED's under consideration). Each attempt has felt like a waste of time. I can't even really start to design the look and configuration without having the answer to several basic questions:

1) Luxeons, like all LED's, require some form of current limiting if they are to be run at or near their max cont. rating, or they will simply burn themselves up. I'm aware that a current limiting resistor(s) is a terribly inefficient way to limit current. So a current limiting power supply is the way to go. Which type or model is the most efficient?(for a single LED just to simplify the answer)

2) In addition to current limiting, is some form of voltage regulation(Linear/SMPS) necessary? Or is current regulation the only thing that matters to the circuit?(I'm guessing they care quite a bit about voltage. But I don't really understand current regulation, or it's implications on an electrical circuit)

3) Does anyone here know where I can get a decent SPICE model of some of the new LED's. Specifically those from Edison, Lamina, and Phillips? Or heck, where I can find a decent SPICE model source in general?


My apologies in advance if any of these questions are just plain stupid :D
 

COMMANDR

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Welcome to CPF E.G.T.
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You came to to right place to talk about lights!!!!
Be warned thou , this stuff can become an addiction with lightening speed.
Oh, and one other thing, hang on to your wallet.
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Gary
 
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zapper

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Welcome! You will find this to be a very addicting "hobby" that could lead to quite some spending. You will surely get some very informed responses shortly from a few people that have gone down this same path (pun intended). Some may reccomend a flashlight on a handlebar holder so you can use it the rest of the time. May not be bright enough or long enough runtime for offroad use though. I myself am considering a dual LUX V rig with a remote battery pack in a waterbottle. Good luck and enjoy.

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lukus

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Wow! I'm stuck on the 50+ kph in the snow. If I was going to do that, I would mount the light to my suit of armor. That's the only way you'd get me that fast on a bike in less than great conditions.

Seriously, look in the homemade and modified forum. There have been some recent threads on homemade bike lights there.

and welcome!
 

evil.genius.todd

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lukus said:
Wow! I'm stuck on the 50+ kph in the snow. If I was going to do that, I would mount the light to my suit of armor. That's the only way you'd get me that fast on a bike in less than great conditions.
Oh same here man! I run a sinisalo full torso, back, and arms protector. A set of extra long lizard skin shin/knee gaurds. And a full face helmet.
don't tell the wife, but I've actually hit 63 Kph in the snow :naughty:

lukus said:
Seriously, look in the homemade and modified forum. There have been some recent threads on homemade bike lights there.
Shortly after posting this I realized it probably didn't belong in this section of the forum :ohgeez: . I'm hoping one of the mods will move it.

lukus said:
and welcome!
Thanks mate!
 

Jay R

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evil.genius.todd said:
I'm sure they are fine for warning off others and working close up. But that is simply not going to cut it for my purposes.
......... But two original Luxeons are not in my plan.

I wouldn't discount two Luxeons so quickly. I do a bit of off road riding through the forest and have two fitted to my bars. I don't do 'that' much riding to make it worth getting specialist bike equipment so I found holders to fit my Fenix P1 and 5watt Nuwai to the bars. In the dark woods the Nuwai throws out enough light on it's own to make riding at speed safe enough ( Though not sure at 50kph !!! ) and with the P1 at the same time it increases the range well over what I would need.

I can tell you, a 3/5watt luxeon light can be not so good for "working close up" in the dark as they can be too bright to see what you are doing.
 

simonsays

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evil.genius.todd said:
Looks pretty bad***. But it's an order of magnitude to dim for my purposes. I'm really quite keen on home brewing this one. But if I was going to "Strap one on". It'd have to be this Sun Dagger.:faint:

I cant help but think that strapping -that- particular creation of Waynes to your handlebars is going to alter the handling capacity of your bike somewhat:whistle:

You may well find yourself actually using all that protective padding you wear!
Wayne did design a bike light a while ago. I dont know if it ever went into production but it may well be worth dropping him an email, he does great work.

Simon
 

g4icd

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evil.genius.todd said:
I want a real light assembly for my bike. I want to be able to read a newspaper in it at 40 meters. I want to burn the retinas out of any poor soul foolish enough to look directly at me. I want to disrupt air traffic. Is that to much to ask for? LOL

Well, if you don't want to bother with power/current regulation building try these on Ebay UK...........selling number 130033998142 ........... they are Luxeon 3W ea, I am using 12 of them in a spotlamp configuration, just connect 12 volt dc as they have the constant current ccts inside, use 4 in an old car spotlight and you will not only read the newspaper @ 40 mtrs, it will melt the snow..............nice white lights.........Geoff G4ICD UK
 
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