Have HD reliability dropped?

modamag

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It's have been the second time this year that my HD have failed on me.
I've used mostly Seagate, WD, & Hitachi (was IBM).

It's unbelievable. Back in the early 2000, I can pretty much relly on them until the next Mobo/CPU upgrade (2 years) now I have to setup RAID1 just to make sure they work right!.

Anyone with similar experience?
 

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my HD have last long time espcially Maxtor, western digital, seagate. I chose the 9ms or less spin time, 16MB cache HD. These HD will last long for at least 3yrs.
 

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HDs are like dial up internet, you never know if it's gonna to work!

I guess if you've had bad experience with WD and Seagate; try a Maxtor drive. But be cautious, I've had quite a few of them fail on me at home and at work.


I've always had great reliability with WDs...my current machine has 4x250's right now on a RAID5. I've got 3 other machines all running various age WD drives (some for almost 10 years now) with no problems to date. My Novell server has been running since ~97 on the same drive, constantly operation, except during power outages of course.

Seagate used to have a great reputation but I haven't heard much from them lately, those drives were great back in the day though. Hitachi I would never buy.

GL!
 

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Which brand(s) failed? I had a WD in my 486, still works to this day. I've had an IBM in my P2, still works, and now I've got a WD in my P4. I heard WD quality went down, then it went back up.. so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I know it's the most quiet HD I've ever owned. You CANNOT hear it spin or write to unless the case is open and you put your head right next to it. Amazing.
 

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Sounds like it may just be rotten luck unless you've gotten rougher with disk drives in the past year. Every so often one of the vendors (it's happened to all of them) will come out with a model that is more troublesome than the average, but generally disk drives in desktops go for years and years. They're a bit more vulnerable in laptops just because of the portability. The biggest failure rate that you see in disk drives is in the MP3 players since they're more prone to being dropped or falling out of a pocket/purse.

BTW, since you mentioned IBM, Hitachi, et al, have you seen the San Jose Plant site that was once IBM's disk manufacturing facility? (currently Hitachi Global Systems Technology) In two months, they've managed to level most of the buildings on that plant site. Kinda sad, a lot of history gone, making way for housing and shopping malls.

modamag said:
It's have been the second time this year that my HD have failed on me.
I've used mostly Seagate, WD, & Hitachi (was IBM).

It's unbelievable. Back in the early 2000, I can pretty much relly on them until the next Mobo/CPU upgrade (2 years) now I have to setup RAID1 just to make sure they work right!.

Anyone with similar experience?
 

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Maybe it's not the drive's fault.

Excessive heat and poor regulation from your power supply will both kill a hard drive in short order. If this is a trend across multiple drives and manufacturers, then maybe you should start looking for other environmental factors.

The drives in my laptops are 4 years old. The one in my desktop is 6 years old. Prior to that, my drives have lasted 4-5 years on average.
 

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I only buy Maxtor. I've used WD and Seagate before, but they all failed on me within 2 years. All of my Maxtor disks are still working and used regularly (even a 498 Mb one made in 1989).

I'm not even going to give IBM/Hitachi a try, because they (used to?) state that their drives shouldn't be used for more than 8 hours a day. My computer is on 24/7, so thats just not an option....
 

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I've had computers for 15 plus years plus worked in a shop for awhile and I would say the last five years of ownership have been my best concerning HD reliability. Have five HDs between two machines right now, newest one two years old.
 

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I've some that have done really well and others are blah. The ones I have used for the past 7 years have been WD. Lately, I've been buying drives about every 8-10 months because there are some very nice sales. The enhanced capacity is what out-dates them rather then my waiting for them to die.
 

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Look at what we ask our computers to do now days compared to back in the day... Did DOS even know what a swap file was? We do so much that has the drive going back and forth, it's kinda like the cars we drive today compared to yesteryear...

I bet my 2006 focus would last 40 years if my grandad was driving it back then. To the grochery store once a week and maybe a 20 mile trip to where ever on about the same schedule. Now, I drive it 30 miles one way to work, 65 to 80 mph... It may last 10 if I'm lucky even with good maintenance. It'll have 500,000 miles on it. Grandad MAY have gotten that amout of driving in 40 years, probably not.

:candle: How much porn to you look at now compared to that old drive... :lolsign: :popcorn:
 

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MayCooper said:
I only buy Maxtor. I've used WD and Seagate before, but they all failed on me within 2 years. All of my Maxtor disks are still working and used regularly (even a 498 Mb one made in 1989).

I'm not even going to give IBM/Hitachi a try, because they (used to?) state that their drives shouldn't be used for more than 8 hours a day. My computer is on 24/7, so thats just not an option....

I agree, i've had amazing luck with Maxtor drives. Recently bought a WD to try in my external enclosure...Seems ok so far. I've had a Maxtor go, but it gave me PLENTY of warning ahead of time. Never had a drive just refuse to work one day *shrugs*
 

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evan9162 said:
Maybe it's not the drive's fault.

Excessive heat and poor regulation from your power supply will both kill a hard drive in short order. If this is a trend across multiple drives and manufacturers, then maybe you should start looking for other environmental factors.
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Bingo!

Delve into HD datasheets, and much will become crystal clear. Seagate was faced with a huge lawsuit over this, a few years ago, and the datasheet specifications were all that saved them.

Annualized Failure Rate (AFR) 0.34% (nominal power, 25°C ambient temperature)
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/100402369a.pdf
 

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They have become commodity items like the $2 plastic grocery store light because the consumer is known to shop only by price, so reliability has suffered.

I have found that (besides the infamous IBM 75GXP series that led to the sale of their entire drive division to Hitachi) modern drives tend not to fail outright, but dramatically fall off in performance because the firmware is so good at automatically remapping bad sectors. I've had to RMA a whole stack of Maxtors (and a few each of WDs and Seagates) because the performance dropped to <5MB/s and yet the data on most of them was still readily accessible (if slowly).

But there are high quality drives intended for servers that require reliability above all else, though they are of course ridiculously expensive. The solution is to buy used or refurbished, because a used Surefire is more reliable than any $2 flashlight no matter how new it is. These things retain their resale value very poorly (because if absolute reliability is required then no corporate IT guy is willing to risk being fired for specifying used or reman parts) yet because they were originally built to sell for over $1,000 the quality is topnotch. As an example factory refurbished 15,000rpm U320 SCSI drives are about the same price as brand new 10,000rpm SATA WD Raptors of the same capacity, though of course you must then add in the price of the U320 controller.

I've been using such drives for the last six years and have never had one fail. In that same time dozens of my consumer grade drives have, and of those mostly in the last two years. So yes, I do believe they have been more cheaply built recently. A few years ago most of the major companies switched to 1 year warranties (from three) for their consumer drives, but just this year many have returned to the old 3-5 year warranties (though I did note that the manufacturer's drive utilities now report no errors even if performance falls way off or Event Viewer reports millions of timeouts or atapi errors from the disk).

May I suggest the reliability database at SR (registration required)?
 

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Working at a computer shop part time for a few years was an enlightening experience. Much like Chevy and Ford, there were customers that swore by Maxtor and those that swore by WD. From my experience both would go bad along with other brands so I learned for the most part not to get stuck on brand loyalty. The good news is that both had pretty good customer service and I never had a problem getting a warranty drive replaced from either manufacturer.

Also for both brands, and others I've seen gradual deaths starting out with a few bad sectors to progressively getting worse and sudden deaths such as no operation and a loud clicking noise.

havand said:
I agree, i've had amazing luck with Maxtor drives. Recently bought a WD to try in my external enclosure...Seems ok so far. I've had a Maxtor go, but it gave me PLENTY of warning ahead of time. Never had a drive just refuse to work one day *shrugs*
 

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evan9162 said:
Maybe it's not the drive's fault.

Excessive heat and poor regulation from your power supply will both kill a hard drive in short order. If this is a trend across multiple drives and manufacturers, then maybe you should start looking for other environmental factors.

The drives in my laptops are 4 years old. The one in my desktop is 6 years old. Prior to that, my drives have lasted 4-5 years on average.

I will agree with the poor regulation 100%. My uncle killed two drives in about six months due to this. While the one drive was able to recover (one of the reasons I swear by Seagate) the other one only lasted a few months with a better power supply.

I have only had one Seagate drive fail on me, but I think I formatted it wrong, plus it was 19 years old at the time. WD I have seen fail left and right. Maxtor, I can't say since I only used one drive and it was one of the used drives in the last paragraph.

[Preaching Time]
Remember anytime in life it is wise to have a backup, whether it is with flashlight bulbs or with computer data. Remember that backups are critical.
[Preaching Time Over]

I don't practice what I preach except for very critical data. I can re-download my MP3s re-record my video, even re-install my operating system. I have some backups due to copying to my laptop for reasons I won't get into.

The final word. Don't trust anything with moving parts to data storage for longevity. Hard drives are the most reliable along with pressed optical discs (except LDs). Flash drives will always have an advantage over hard drives as they have no moving parts. If you want to keep your data for years, keep backups on the best media you can buy. This leads to another tangent though. Most recordable CDs and DVDs will only last five years in storage after recording. I don't have any discs that old to tell you for sure though. Buy the gold type for longer storage.

I could keep going, but I'm going to leave that to PMs.
 

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I got 2 free HD's from a friend. One was a 40gig Seagate, and it would do a quick format, but not full (would fail right at the end). Took it out and moved it in the case, and the data was all gone, like a brand new HD!

Anywho, I think no one brand is immune from failures. I also agree with all the extra work the HD does, like burning DVD's (thats a lot of writting) and playing games (loadings lots of textures) etc can add wear. So can leaving your computer on all the time. External drives never spin down so unplug them when not using them. They got super hot too. Flash drives can be wiped out totally if non removed by "remove hardware" icon in windows. I've seen that happen and the drive will totaly stop working. I've been able to recover some by doing formats but it nearly locks up windows but finaly goes through. But then you got no data...

I've got the 2nd free HD in my PC right now. It's a Quantum and it's a little noiser than my WD (can't hear that one). I'm using it for my swap file (only thing on the HD right now). So that speed up windows and games and photo shop a lot!! Plus the freebie will get all the activity when windows is using the swap. I've got it set at 3gig or so. (2gig ram).
 

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evan9162 said:
Maybe it's not the drive's fault.

Excessive heat and poor regulation from your power supply will both kill a hard drive in short order....
There's a lot to that. I use the best PSU I can get and a big honking file server tower with so much room that I can have an empty bay between every drive. I also give them more room yet by installing the 3 1/2" drives in 5 1/4" bays.

I also run a slightly pressurized case with only filtered intake air. Even just a thin layer of dust will raise temps.

Mine runs 24/7 and I've done really well with the WDs. I run two of them and I change the oldest one out every other year. Haven't had one fail yet. Knock wood. 120GB WDs with 8MB cache are down to about 50 USD.
 

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I've only had one hdd failure, 11 years ago when I was moving into my house I unboxed my tall tower case and sat it on the floor, turned around to unbox something else and knocked it over with a big crash. About 6 months later the drive developed bad sectors in a spot and failed maybe 6 months after that. I still have a 3G laptop drive from my 1998 laptop which had a system board failure a couple 20G laptop drives and the 60g backup drive and 120G drive that is now in my laptop as well as various drives in desktop systems I've had and given away. They still seem plenty reliable to me.
 

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The drive from my Dell 486 laptop that I got in 1996 still works fine. It's a 420mb hard disk - so these days it's rediculously small. Considering you can get a 1GB USB thumbdrive for $25, which will also be faster in every respect, a 420MB hard disk is essentially useless anymore.
 
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