CPF'ers still under Parent Supervision, respond here!!

CPF\'ers still under Parent Supervision, respond here!!

Have you been banned by your parents to go to CPF, and if so, how do I persuade them to not? HELP!!!!!!!

Thanks, and I hope to see you guys again...

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Stress the educational value of CPF (high tech electronic engineering etc)

or better still, get them interested in flashights

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Tell them that you will only use the computer every OTHER hour and that you'll spend your off time interfacing with family members.

Added:

OK, I admitt it....I'm an ex-parent, my kids have grown up, moved out, and now I'm waiting for grand-kids!

Edited:

Make that,,,ex-single parent

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Roy - I'd bet your grandkids (especially if you had grandSONs) would LOVE hanging around ya - what with that growing stash of flashlights!

Heck - *I'D* love to be your adopted grandson, if you'll permit

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logicnerd,

If you can share those examples of how the CPF pulled together as a model community (like for Craig) and the high level of good camaraderie, I'm sure your parents would rather have you hanging around the CPF - making friends around the world with decent folks - rather than doing who-knows-what elsewhere.

The CPF is a wholesome family-friendly hangout! I mean, which clubhouse do you know of where grandkids, moms/dads, grandparents and friends all interact with no artificial barrier to separate them. Ah - united by the common love of light - nothing bad in itself at all.

But if the CPF has caused you an addiction (I hope you didn't steal to feed it), then I'll understand where they come from. Of course, you DIDN'T do any of that, right?

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my grades are up...as long as they're up I can do whatever I want with my free time.

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The only reason I can see for a parent to ban their minor from CPF is if said minor needed some parental "guidance" for something unrelated to CPF. In other words... what did you do, logicnerd? Methinks we don't have the whole story here...

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My parents live 200 miles away but my 16 year old son thinks I tie up the internet and keeo im off it too much.

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Well, you could always try this:

"All the kids at school talk about are drugs and sex. I hear too much about that, so I like to learn about something fun, but not school related, for a change. Do engineers make a good salary?"

If that doesn't work, start playing every Marilyn Manson CD you can get your hands on really loud, all the time. If they put you in therapy, be honest. Tell them you just did it to get back at your folks. If you don't, they'll put you on happy pills and hide all the sharp objects. If you're lucky, they'll drag your parents into therapy to see why they're obviously doing such a crappy job that they let you trick them into sending you to therapy just because they drive you nuts.

Children usually think their parents aren't too bright, and just do things to torque off the kids because they're frustrated at being confused and/or inept. I've come to learn that often the kids are right.

Parents, in general, are pretty dim. If you slow down, and give it some thought, you should be able to out manipulate them.

If you're lucky, they'll realize on their own that you my be the person that gets to pick which home they go to when they get too old to take care of themselves...

Also, unlike porn, you can probably get to CPF at the library, maybe even at school. Maybe you should save your unsupervised home or friend's house computer time for porn?

Please note: Above post contains some real advice, and some humor (uh, yeah, sure, just kidding). I take no responsibility for anyone not being able to figure out which is which.

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Uh... sorry Tom, but if I were a parent and read your post above... kidding or not... I'd definately ban my kid from CPF...

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it all comes down to minipulation...

could you tell us why they don't want you here? if so, we could probably come up with some pretty good (and confusing) arguments.

any argument can be countered...

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I could see some parent somewhere starting a bunch of trouble if they are getting mail from a site asking that they allow their kids to participate. Some folks would get very suspicious about that. I think that if anyone came to the site and saw for themselves that there is no "adult" or questionable content they wouldn't have a problem with CPF. Kinda goes to that ole "I could have worse hobbies" aurgument. I would have to agree with above post about kids probably been banned from the net in general by parents. If any parent had any sense, they would do what they can to monitor their child's activity on a computer.

If nothing else, send the parents a couple of Arc AAAs
(for you parents that may be monitoring this the ARc is a small flashlight that can easily be carried in your pocket or on a keychain, it is not a drug or weapon, and can be very useful if your youngster ends up in a low light situation where a flashlight could be handy to have).

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Well I can certainly think of too many other places on the Internet that one would/should/could be banned from, but not the CPF!

Yes, it has "influenced" me to spend a little more (ok.. a lot more!) than I would have if I hadn't found the CPF. However, the biggest concern I'd have would be the time spent on the Forum/Internet. I spend quite a lot of time at all hours of the day. If my teenage son was spending the time on it that I do...I'd be concerned, but he has given me no reason to distrust him.

I've always been a gadget geek, ran one of the first BBSs in the ole' Upper Peninsula of Michigan for Atari's (remember those? pre-internet days when one computer networked at night to another to transfer emails/files and then that computer would dial another...), yep I'm addicted, no joke - it's true!

But I'd sure rather my kids do this than some of that "other stuff" that's out there!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Sasha:
Uh... sorry Tom, but if I were a parent and read your post above... kidding or not... I'd definately ban my kid from CPF...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Within the spirit of the forum, though. Anyway, I'd hope not, depending on the age. Kids need to learn to question things, *especially* authority, at an early age. If people didn't, we'd be speaking English now, instead of American.

I know I may be picking on particular groups, but dogma, and belief without explanation, aren't great things. Besides, one of the great things about this forum is that you'll get 3 or 4 views for any given topic. That's LOTS safer than ANY group that only has one view on things.

Lack of exposure to different viewpoints is a common thread in communist countries, dictatorships, and countries run by fundamentalist religous types. (Like much of the mideast...)

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Anyway, I am glad I restrained myself and only posted some of the milder suggestions I had.

This group has some of the most interesting and intelligent people of any group I've met, with many different areas of experience, and many different viewpoints. If this place isn't educational, I don't know what place is.

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I've always been a gadget geek, ran one of the first BBSs in the ole' Upper Peninsula of Michigan for Atari's (remember those? pre-internet days when one computer networked at night to another to transfer emails/files and then that computer would dial another...), yep I'm addicted, no joke - it's true!

But I'd sure rather my kids do this than some of that "other stuff" that's out there!!!!!!!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ah the good old days. Always upset me when the BBS software said "Are you sure you're only 6? Please enter your birthday again." I'd eventually end up lieing my way in. Then there was the time a sysop had to call me to reset my password...

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Kids need to learn to question things, *especially* authority, at an early age.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Just out of curiosity Tom... how old are you and do you have any kids?

The day that my child questions my authority is the day my child finds out what it's like to live on the streets... then he won't have to worry about my authority. But while under MY roof, stealing MY oxygen, MY authority is the LAW.

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Sasha, I agree that a child indeed should not question a parent's or legal guardian's authority, however should be "wary" of those they meet on the Internet or any other stranger for that matter. I know you know that, but who knows anything about these "wackos" that are lurking anywhere and everywhere. You shouldn't teach a younger one to "not question" all authority eh?

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Sigman... point well taken... BUT!... when my child is on the internet, he is right in the middle of the living room where any one of us can see what he is doing at all times. He is NOT allowed on line when no one else is home. Yes, we do check the internet cache and temp files etc. etc. My son is 12 now. I have a 20 year old daughter also. 'Til the day she moved out (she was over 18), the same rules applied to her. If parents know what their children are doing, then it isn't an issue, is it?

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to question authority, and to disobey or contradict authority are two different things.

sometimes people in authority (think bin-laden and sadam) are not right, and to blindly obey what people say just because they rank higher than you is not a good idea.

if your mother told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it? obviously, this is somewhat different, but the same basic rules apply.

also, in the bible says you are to honor your father and your mother, but not to the extent that you do something wrong...

these situations are all different than the one you are facing, but the same general rules apply...be concious of what you are doing, and if it seems wrong, it probably is

if you fail to minipulate, bribe, blackmail, or threaten you parents into allowing you to keep posting on cpf, maybe a good talk might do the trick.

good luck, we enjoy having knowlegable and pleasant people like yourself here in cpf and wouldn't like to lose you.

(if all else fails, a couple hundred e-mails to your parents e-mail might change their mind

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Sasha, I absolutely agree with you, especially about the "rules" even applying to the older "kids" as long as they are in my house!!

The system we have "online" is in another room "out of view". Not wanting to be "big brother" but being a "well informed parent"...do you have any recommendations for a ware that allows a good job of checking history? I manually go into the files/caches to check things out, but not sure I'm checking everything.

I recently found a file "spider.exe" that goes into and allows one to cleanup the cookies and such that are deposited in the hidden files of Windows that aren't deleted when cleaning up the temp files, etc...whew, long sentence!

Wondered if you knew of something better? I'm aware of "Keylogger" but it won't work with a USB keyboard.