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    I just found this forum and I must say I'm hooked.

    I was looking for some input on the SF L5 and the Gladius. I'm looking to change my current light for a LED and thought one of these two might work.

    My main uses are for warrant entries and just a good everyday light.

    Price is not important.

    If anybody else has any suggestions I'm game.

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    You can find some good reviews at www.flashlightreviews.com/index1.html. There, you'll find reviews on many lights, including the Gladius and L5.

    You can also find reviews of both lights (and many others) at: http://ledmuseum.home.att.net.

    I have a review of the Gladius at: www.geocities.com/tigerhawkt3/gladius.htm. I don't have an L5, though.

    My recommendation would be the Gladius instead of the L5, since the L5 only has one output level, while the Gladius has many. You'll come to appreciate switching between a retina-searing 80 lumens and a barely-there 1 lumen.

    You can get rechargeable cells that will work in either light here: http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=125353.

    If you go for the Gladius, I would also recommend an FM34 Beamshaper, as mentioned in my Gladius review (reviewed at www.geocities.com/tigerhawkt3/fm34.htm).

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    I have around 20 lights and the Gladius is my favorite one. The only downside I believe it has is the star lug gets caught in my pocket sometimes. I don't have any experience with the L5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinlessMonkey
    I have around 20 lights and the Gladius is my favorite one. The only downside I believe it has is the star lug gets caught in my pocket sometimes. I don't have any experience with the L5.
    I use the starlug to hold my Gladius....between my index and middle finger and toggling the switch with my thumb....great light.
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    rawdawg, welcome to CPF. Surefire is bringing out a new version of the L5 with a Cree LED that will be brighter and have longer run times. Both the Gladius and the Surefire L5 are excellent lights. There are a number of other lights that would also fill the bill for a warrant/entry light. I'd search around on CPF and go to Flashlightreviews.com and read as much as I could. In the mean time, open your wallet and stay a while.

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    Default Re: L5 vs Gladius

    Gladius is a lovely light to use. It has a few modes and very intuitive to use.

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    Default Re: L5 vs Gladius

    L5 is a floody light while the Gladius is 'spotty' with a decent spillbeam. The output of the latter is also lower (Lux III vs the L5's LuxV). So depending on your needs, both lights are great, but the Gladius' multi-levels are much more flexible. You can always throw on a beamshaper to make the beam floodier.

    Of course, if you are willing to go into mod territory, throwing in a Cree and texturising the reflector of the Gladius gives you a light with output probably better than the L5, with both a nice hotspot and spillbeam!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEDcandle
    Of course, if you are willing to go into mod territory, throwing in a Cree and texturising the reflector of the Gladius gives you a light with output probably better than the L5, with both a nice hotspot and spillbeam!
    Is there someone who's already done this successfully? Who is it and how much would they charge? How many lumens does this mod bring it up to?

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    I'd choose the L5 instead of the Gladius any day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignoramus
    Is there someone who's already done this successfully? Who is it and how much would they charge? How many lumens does this mod bring it up to?
    I have! haha...
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=152502

    But I'm not a pro-modder, so I will not be offering my services. I'm sure Milkyspit or some other modder can step up to this.

    With a Cree and 'textured' reflector, it has VERY usable spillbeam and still a nice hotspot. I'm sure it is comparable if not better than the L5 (which I've seen once, and am comparing based on memory).

    The old Gladius is about 70 lumens on high. The new one is approx 120 lumens on high. If you are ok with the light blinking briefly every 10 secs, you can throw in a 17670 and have very good runtimes. I have a Gladius runtime chart here :-

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=152092

    It was done with the original Luxeon, but since the driver and current are the same, it should be exactly the same runtimes on the Cree.

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    Whats the name of the Gladius's twin brother....The Typhoon? Brand name?? Interested in it since it will now be $130.00 instead of $200 plus

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    Insight H2X Typhoon apparently and it seems botach carries them for $110 shipped.. BUT, do a search on botach in the JEERS section first. They've come through for some, and not for others.

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    Surefire is coming out with a new L5. It's already been announced. It is going to blow the old L5 and Gladius away. http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=147271
    Last edited by Art Vandelay; 02-15-2007 at 08:44 PM.

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    On sheer lumen and runtime output alone, that may well be the case. The new L5 does look sweet, BTW.

    Let's not forget that one of the main attractions with the Glad is the user-programmable variable output and strobe modes -- ain't none of that hapenin' with the L5 anytime soon.

    Depends on your needs basically...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerhawkT3
    You can find some good reviews at www.flashlightreviews.com/index1.html. There, you'll find reviews on many lights, including the Gladius and L5.

    You can also find reviews of both lights (and many others) at: http://ledmuseum.home.att.net.

    I have a review of the Gladius at: www.geocities.com/tigerhawkt3/gladius.htm. I don't have an L5, though.

    My recommendation would be the Gladius instead of the L5, since the L5 only has one output level, while the Gladius has many. You'll come to appreciate switching between a retina-searing 80 lumens and a barely-there 1 lumen.

    You can get rechargeable cells that will work in either light here: http://candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=125353.

    If you go for the Gladius, I would also recommend an FM34 Beamshaper, as mentioned in my Gladius review (reviewed at www.geocities.com/tigerhawkt3/fm34.htm).

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    BTW, thanks to Tigerhawk for the valuable info in your post!!

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    Based on the reponses for the L5 and the Gladius....How do you know if your getting the newer versions of each light.

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    Once again, I can only comment on the Gladius.

    The black version changed to real HA instead of cerakote at around S/N (serial number) 5000 or so. The tailcap troubles were also solved early on. Some CPFers have lights with S/N around 20,000. Mine is in the 17k range. If you get it from a reputable seller, you'll most likely get a recently-manufactured one, which should be trouble-free. If you try a discount store, you might get an older one, as they could be clearing out old stock.

    I don't know about the Insight H2X Typhoon, but since those have only appeared recently, I would suppose that they're all pretty new. Botac had a special offer going on them quite recently. I don't know if it's still on or whether they have the Typhoons in stock, but you could always try emailing the address mentioned in that thread. I've heard that if you buy from Botac in general, it helps to call them before ordering to make sure they have stock.

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    The new version of the L5 is 120 lumens for 4.5 hours. They don't have those numbers on their website yet. They are in the 2007 Surefire catalog. You could go to Surefire.com and see how they get the rated numbers. In general Surefire is seen as giving low estimates of lumens. The run time is not until the light goes out, or to %50 of initial brightness, it is "Maximum run time for useful light levels." I'm not sure how they define "useful lite level", but the Surefires I own match up with the estimates on the site.

    You will not have to worry about guessing if you are getting a new one if you go to an authorized dealer. They are going to be making a big deal about how much better these new models are. Bonus: Surefire will not charge any more for the new model than they are for the old.
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    The new L5 will probably be what you want because you seem to be a more tactical user of your light as well as everyday tasks. I think the new L5 will be a great tactical light with 120 lumens focused through a TIR lens. It will reach out to long distances or put a high intensity beam into threatful eyes. It will do better in high ambient lighting situations than the older L5 at spotting things. If you need to know that you are getting the new one or the old one just make sure you see 120 lumens at 4.5 hours as the advertised output, however it will not be available yet...might have to wait another month or 6. lol

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    If you get the new L5 instead of the Gladius, you should also get a dimmer light so you don't blind yourself when doing paperwork, finding keyholes, or other short-range tasks, and to preserve night vision.

    And then maybe a thrower... and then a headlight... and then a...

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    While I don't have either of the lights you are looking at, my advise would also be to hold off if you can for the new cree stuff to be available. I remember a post by Ken J. Good from Night-Op mentioning that they are working on a "new" gladius. He didn't give specific details but one would assume it will come out with a cree LED.

    But, if you are anything like me waiting is a painful process!

    On a side note I remember seeing a link to pictures of the 2007 L5 but now can't find the thread. Can anyone post that link here?

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    Found the pictures of the new L5:

    http://www.surefirekorea.com/html/newpage.html?code=1

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    Default Re: L5 vs Gladius

    That is why a modified Cree or SSC Gladius eliminates the unknown waiting time and gives you the best of a great UI, good output, far throw AND usable spillbeam.

    Of course, there are different schools of thought on modification vs original and waiting vs getting what you need now etc... so its all up to personal preference.

    For me personally, I'm happy with my Creed up Gladius!!

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    How much imporvement am I going to get in the Gladius if I:
    A. Wait for the new and improved version
    B. Switch to the Cree

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    Default Re: L5 vs Gladius

    I can't say for the new version because they may have new features of the light itself; but based on LED swapping itself from Luxeon III to a Cree P4 (approx 80 lumens/w) or SSC P4 U-bin (approx 100 lumens/w), you will get approx double brightness (might be more or less depending on variances) for the same runtime.

    As to costs, those who have already bought their Gladiuses would of course be better off swapping a $7-15 Cree/SSC in themselves. Not sure how much modders charge for a swap like this though, but maybe $30-50? Then you have to factor in shipping to and fro and reliability of the mod (might improve or worsen depending on modder skills and dedication)

    If the new Gladius has exactly the same features but only with a change in LED and goes for $250 (base on the original's Gladius RRP), then it might still be more worth buying an old Gladius or Typhoon and getting it modded. Of course, that voids warranty so do consider that too.

    Basically, I modded mine because I'm not gonna dish out another couple of hundred for another Gladius; even if it has some slight interface changes. Cuz the old one is not going to be able to sell for much and I bought it for $200 shipped. So the only way to keep the Gladius updated was to mod it!

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    Default Re: L5 vs Gladius

    Quote Originally Posted by Outdoors Fanatic
    I'd choose the L5 instead of the Gladius any day of the week.

    Ditto that. I can't wait for the new version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Voice of Reason
    Let's not forget that one of the main attractions with the Glad is the user-programmable variable output and strobe modes -- ain't none of that hapenin' with the L5 anytime soon.

    And thank God for that...


    The new L5 will rock if the body can still take protected 17670's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harddrive


    Thanks for reminding me of that link, I couldn't find it a few days ago. I wish I could read Korean. I really want the new L1, but I just might have to get a new L5 too. Some of my existing lights might have to go to pay for them though!!

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    Did I just read that the Gladius is to be produced with a Cree? Anyone know how much?

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    I can see myself getting much poorer the longer I read this site!

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