What is the REBEL I've been reading about on here?

What is it, who makes it, and why is it important?

Thanks, sorry for being so short...
Ryan

I believe it is a new LED from Luxeon. To compete with the CREEs I assume?

They're made my Phillips/Lumileds. Luxeon is the brand.
Last year Cree came out with the XR-E. Soon after, Seoul Semiconductor (SSC) released the P4.
Lumileds is answering back with the Luxeon Rebel.

But the Rebel uses a new die technology that doesn't need bond wires, which enables the Rebel to have a much smaller package than its competitors, both of which use Cree's EZ1000 die.

LukeA said:

But the Rebel uses a new die technology that doesn't need bond wires, which enables the Rebel to have a much smaller package than its competitors, both of which use Cree's EZ1000 die.

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So would that create less heat and thus better efficiency?

The key of the Rebel is the entire package is very close to 1/4 the size of a cree package, it's so far the smallest high powered LED around, but it's not as efficient as the cree.

Thanks 65535. That puts it into simple terms.

Hmm... if it's smaller, wouldn't the efficiency equal a Cree if you made it the same size as a Cree? Which one will ultimately produce the best lumen/battery life ratio do you think?

Thanks guys, REALLY informative... I finally know what the REBEL is,
Ryan

Which lights are using it?

Fenix P3D Rebel 80 and Rebel 100 (special editions) and Ultrafire UF-R1 and B3 are the few I know of.

the Rebel led in its cool white flavor can give a maximum of 180 lumen when driven at 0.7 A, this is lot of lumen but also lot of current.

It's die is the same size. Just the packaging of the die is smaller.

Any runtimes on the new P3D Rebel 80 and 100? When are they supposed to come out?

Thanks guys...
Ryan

How about 500 lumens on a Luxion star .

FliGuyRyan said:

Any runtimes on the new P3D Rebel 80 and 100? When are they supposed to come out?

Thanks guys...
Ryan

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Already came out, I have a P3D Rebel 100 in hand, but they are sold out at the moment. I have beamshots here:

https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/170641

the P4 can give more lumens than the rebel and already includes some kind of thermal dissipator. The P4 gives 240 lumens at 1A

I imagine since they are reflow soldered that would be an advantage for high volume manufacturing. Anybody know how the pricing compares if you were a manufacturer?

crislight01 said:

the Rebel led in its cool white flavor can give a maximum of 180 lumen when driven at 0.7 A, this is lot of lumen but also lot of current.

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What a misleading post. The 180lm is typical, not maximum, and is comparable to both other current high-flux LEDs.

crislight01 said:

the P4 can give more lumens than the rebel and already includes some kind of thermal dissipator. The P4 gives 240 lumens at 1A

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McGizmo did a little test and the SSC P4 and the Rebel 100 put out the same amount of light, 198lm at 1A.

LukeA said:

McGizmo did a little test and the SSC P4 and the Rebel 100 put out the same amount of light, 198lm at 1A.

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mines put 240lumen mr knowitall.