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    Default Spy Upgrade thread part 2.

    Update NOV30th 2008

    SPY upgrade requests have been trickling in slowly. In order to make it more efficient for me I'm going to propose that they be done in batches monthly. Please continue to contact me in the normal process detailed below and I will add your name to the current list for the current month. If payment and light arrive in time for the current batch it will get upgraded. If the payment or light shows up late the light will be deferred to the next batch cycle.

    Wayne



    continuation from here.

    What the upgrade will consist of.

    The new converter board with latest firmware will be installed. A new LED on heatsink will be installed. A new one piece spring assembly. A nut will be installed to allow the new board to be bolted in with a small nylon screw, calibration of the converter board with LED before installation into the light and after installation into the light.

    Since the upgrade process especially the switch and special nut needs special tools and fixturing, we are highly recommending the light be sent in for the upgrade.

    As for those that don't want to risk sending their light and possibly getting lost in the mail I do understand this and I'm sure there are other reasons for those that would prefer to not send the light back.

    The price will be $165.00 + $20.00 and that will include shipping via USPS express with insurance. Overseas will need to add another $5.00. If that's not enough to cover the difference I'll will absorb any additional difference between local and overseas.

    I'll be taking them in batches and I hope if your group is called you can paypal and send the light back in a timely fashion. If I do not hear from you within a weeks time frame your name may get bumped to the bottom of the list.

    There will be no incentive or price difference if you send the light back or just the converter board for the upgrade. The price will be the same either way.

    For those that elect to only send back the converter board the kit will not be sent out till the converter board is received as we need the switch off the converter board. I only have a small pool of switches that I can pre-build to do the swap and as we get units back that have damaged switches will only make the swap pool smaller and possibly increase the turn around time per batch.

    See the list. The first batch of names and lights can now be sent back. Please PM me or email me if you have any questions or post here in this thread if you like. Thank you for your patience.

    Please get your final instructions via email where to send the light and where to Paypal or if you can't paypal what other means of payment we can work out. email to:

    theledguy at comcast dot net (make this a proper email address)
    Subject: SPY Upgrade Information request

    Please add any additional information in the email regarding your specifics and we will work with you on any logistical, special handling, or other special requirements.


    Wayne

    Last edited by dat2zip; 11-30-2008 at 02:01 AM. Reason: upgrades now done batch mode once a month

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    Last edited by dat2zip; 09-12-2007 at 03:46 PM. Reason: deleted. Not related to thread.

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    List for Spy Upgrades and progress:
    Please indicate your intent in this thread or PM me! ( ) indicates number of Spy 005's to be upgraded (Thanks "fasteddie"!)


    [code]
    jeffb (1) ()
    Turd_Ferguson(1) (you're next) Making decision 9/08/07.........defer for now
    fasteddie(2) ()
    LouRoy(3) (you're next)
    LED Zeppelin(1) ()
    Rudi(1) (you're next)
    Christoph(1) ()
    kiessling(1) ()
    LowWorm(1) (deferred down, anytime you are ready)(you're next) 9/27
    Brightnorm(3) (In Process) 9/27
    alanhuth(1) ()
    peterb(2 SELF_INSTALL*) (you're next) 9/27
    Roboholic(1) (you're next) 9/27
    billybright(1) (you're next) 9/27
    chellyc(1) (you're next) 9/27
    jdriller (1) ()

    [/code]Names with () are completed and sent back. (Happy Campers)
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    Default Re: Spy Upgrade thread part 2.

    The new 0-80 nut and nylon screw will indeed hold the converter board in place such that the knob will stay engaged in the switch when the batteries are out of the light. That is its primary purpose.


    Cheers
    Dave

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    Default Re: Spy Upgrade thread part 2.

    List is posted in thread 3.........please advise status (Shipping, Paypal) and will keep thread current. Please post upgrade intent, too!

    Thank You,
    jeffb

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    Email sent regarding instructions for mailing 2 lights in now and 1 at a later date. Thanks so much for doing this!

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    Hi Wayne,

    hmm, including the shipping costs from Germany to you the upgrade will cost me more than 200 bucks...
    This let me think a little if I really should go for this upgrade or if I should better should safe my money and wait for the all titanium SPY which you will release later this year ...

    I upgraded my Spy with a P4 so my SPY is already terribly bright and finally - as a self installer - I would pay just for the new converter board with the new firmware.

    Can you please tell me what this new board and firmware will do better than the old ones?

    Thanks Jochen

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    Default Re: Spy Upgrade thread part 2.

    Wayne has upgraded my Spy005 and returned.

    It is Much brighter on high and if my old memory serves me, can be run indefinitely, on high. I had the low set very low and I much prefer the beam and tint. The hotspot is somewhat bigger and the spill is great..........I wasn't sure if it would be "worth it", but I'm sold.

    Thanks Wayne and Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
    Wayne has upgraded my Spy005 and returned....The hotspot is somewhat bigger and the spill is great...


    Dave's reply to me about this question::

    Re: SPY Upgrade thread.
    brightnorm, the beam pattern after we do the upgrade will be just as tight as the original chrome 005 pattern was with the Lux and McR18. ......

    Dave said the new beam would be identical to the old, which for my personal use had too small a hotspot with relatively weak spill: great for spotting but not so good for general use or walking, at least for my purposes.

    If your experience is typical of the new setup that is good news, though based on Dave's information it may be an anomaly.

    Brightnorm
    Last edited by brightnorm; 08-30-2007 at 12:22 PM.

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    BN.......

    I too read the info from Dave...........am hoping that we get an opinion from Dave, Wayne and perhaps someone that sends one in and has another.

    Truly I am amazed!

    jeffb

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    For those of you that will be doing it yourself. Here are some pictures of the custom machined 0-80 nut that holds the board down. It needs to be glued into the bottom of the body.


    Here is a closeup of the Custom Machined Nut part.


    Here is a picture of the slot that it goes into next to the hole for the switch.


    Here I placed it in temporarily to take this picture. It's not seated down all the way nor pressed all the way to the left in this picture. It needs to be pressed all the way to the left to get the hole to be in perfect alignment with the hole in the board. When it correct part of the head of the nut is visible when looking in from the top through the head opening.


    As shown, the plastic screw will probably not fit through the board and align with this and the flat side could interfere with the switch.

    You'll need a long pair of pliers or a long tweezer or something to insert the nut down into the slot. Dave's current installation method is to use a little dab of 5 minute epoxy on the bottomside of the nut to hold it in place.

    Wayne

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
    BN.......

    I too read the info from Dave...........am hoping that we get an opinion from Dave, Wayne and perhaps someone that sends one in and has another.

    Truly I am amazed!

    jeffb
    I believe the reason for the apparent larger beam is it's brighter. I could be wrong, but, take two lights with the same reflector with one light being twice as bright as the other and compare the beams. I believe the brighter one will appear to have a larger hot spot.

    Wayne

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    I've updated the list in post 3. If your name has (you're next) it's your time to get your light upgraded.

    Wayne

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    Default Re: Spy Upgrade thread part 2.

    Hello Wayne,

    I decided to step out here.
    My light became already very bright by modding it with a P4 LED and I can hardly imagine very much more improvement by spending another 200 bucks on it...

    I Prefer saving this money for the upcoming oo7

    So please take me off the list - thanks

    Jochen
    Last edited by ArsMachina; 09-02-2007 at 07:04 AM.

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    I'm putting mine in the mail today Wayne.
    C
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    I really want to do this but I'm just having difficulty justifying having $350 orginal cost + $185 upgrade = $535 into this light. This light is my EDC and I absolutely love it. It's just the best dang light and I like some others have contemplated just getting another new one. And to be honest I really would love to have a Cree version (don't ask me why because I don't have a good reason).

    I'm still on the fence, unfortunately, so please defer my position while I mull it over some more.

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    Default Re: Spy Upgrade thread part 2.

    Wayne, I'll be sending mine in now.

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    Dave,

    Is there any difference in beam configuration and brightness between the Cree and Seoul upgrades, and do we have a choice of which LED we get?

    Brightnorm

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightnorm View Post
    Dave,

    Is there any difference in beam configuration and brightness between the Cree and Seoul upgrades, and do we have a choice of which LED we get?

    Brightnorm
    I only made Seoul upgrade kits for the chrome 005's. There is a big difference between the Cree and Seoul 005's. Please see the sales thread for details.

    This upgrade project was difficult enough on its own. I did not want to further complicate Wayne's task by offering the Cree LED.


    Cheers
    Dave

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    Link

    I believe this is the post you're referring, too. The Cree would require a new reflector and the labor to modify it? and of course, a Cree. Anything else?
    Last edited by Turd_Ferguson; 09-08-2007 at 01:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turd_Ferguson View Post
    I really want to do this but I'm just having difficulty justifying having $350 orginal cost + $185 upgrade = $535 into this light. This light is my EDC and I absolutely love it. It's just the best dang light and I like some others have contemplated just getting another new one. And to be honest I really would love to have a Cree version (don't ask me why because I don't have a good reason).

    I'm still on the fence, unfortunately, so please defer my position while I mull it over some more.
    I agree and sympathize with everything you are saying here. The cost is high because we spent so many months getting this all ready. That includes the work that went into the STFu and getting the upgrade kit parts made.

    All I can tell you is if you do spring for Wayne's upgrade you will be happy with the lights new level of operation. I don't recommend anybody upgrade purely on the increased brightness of the Seoul. That would not be enough to push me over the edge. Forget about all the easter egg fluff too. But the basic converter board function is something else. The smooth changing of power with no flashing between levels is, IMHO, the point.

    Cheers
    Dave
    Last edited by Data; 09-08-2007 at 12:37 PM.

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    List updated 9/08/07

    jeffb

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    Just got mine back. Nice work Wayne and Dave. The tailcap is very difficult to remove with no batteries installed. The upgrade is worth it, IMHO.

    Thanks
    I'm glad it is dark, half of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Data View Post
    I only made Seoul upgrade kits for the chrome 005's. There is a big difference between the Cree and Seoul 005's. Please see the sales thread for details.This upgrade project was difficult enough on its own. I did not want to further complicate Wayne's task by offering the Cree LED.

    Cheers
    Dave
    Quote Originally Posted by Turd_Ferguson View Post
    Link

    I believe this is the post you're referring, too. The Cree would require a new reflector and the labor to modify it? and of course, a Cree. Anything else?
    OK, thanks.

    BN

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    I would think the primary reason for the upgrade is the converter board. There is such a big difference. While not immediately obvious since it works transparently.

    Some of the first generation converter board short comings were:

    1) flashed between positions.

    2) Possible damage or killing the converter IC on high.

    3) Converter IC does not have thermal overload protection.

    4) It was hard to dial down below 7mA and get the converter board stable. For many level 1 is too high.


    The new converter board Dave spent a lot of time to ensure that the converter does not flash at the all important lower levels and from off to the initial first level. Flashing at lower levels for even a slight moment impacts the night vision. Level 1 or for that matter any level can be adjusted up or down as desired. Especially true is level 1. Some like it lower, some like it higher. Some like it exactly where it's at. Just like the three bears!!!

    I would have to rank the next important reason to upgrade is to get the custom 0-80 nut installed to hold the converter board down. Once upgraded when you take the batteries out the converter board is held securely in place and there is little chance to have the switch disengage.

    Last of all the features I would consider the Seoul LED/reflector combo. The Seoul LED is a great LED and the tint of the bin I'm installing is a nice white.

    Of course that's my 2c worth.

    Wayne

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    Having owned a classic, and now an upgraded neo-classic, I can say it is absolutely worth it. It was great to be able to have the 5 levels of the classic, but the low wasn't low enough and the hi wasn't high enough. Now, with the customizable levels, and a brighter emitter, I've got level 1 turned down to about the brightness of a tritium capsule for locating purposes, and the high setting tweaked up a bit. Gives me all the brightness I could want in a compact light. Level 2 is set to a level that won't disturb anyone when I'm skulking about the house late at night. And the level setting interface is pretty easy to master. Much easier than the HDS and Novatac, IMHO. Well worth the cost if you're still on the fence.
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    Default Re: Spy Upgrade thread part 2.

    Quote Originally Posted by dat2zip View Post
    I believe the reason for the apparent larger beam is it's brighter. I could be wrong, but, take two lights with the same reflector with one light being twice as bright as the other and compare the beams. I believe the brighter one will appear to have a larger hot spot.
    Wayne
    Wayne,
    I tried that with two SPYs and with two P3D-CE's and you're right. I think there may be two reasons for this. One could be that the brain interprets beamed light as brightness + diameter and automatically expands apparent diameter as brightness increases.

    I think the second reason is that the dimmer light immediately surrounding the hotspot (not the dim large diameter "spill") is so much brighter than before that it becomes visible as an extension of the hotspot rather than being drowned out by the hotspot. I believe this applies even if the
    previous proportion of hotspot to surround brightness remains the same. These are just guesses. I'd be interested if you have other explanations.

    Brightnorm

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    Wayne,

    When I send in my SPYs, one of them (the HA NAT one) was "SeoulMated" by Scott and has an excellent Seoul and a wide-dispersion reflector that puts out a beautiful wide beam which is great for rural darkness but not quite penetrating enough for my relatively bright urban environment.

    Is it possible for you to decide whether the installed Seoul or the one you will install is brighter/warmer, and return the remaining Seoul along with the reflector? If this takes extra time/effort please feel free to charge me for your time.

    Thanks,
    Brightnorm.

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    Received mine. The results are well worth the expense. Thanks Data & Wayne for making this upgrade available.

    Now can someone please point me towards the instructions for fine-tuning the brightness at each level. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudi View Post
    Received mine. The results are well worth the expense. Thanks Data & Wayne for making this upgrade available.

    Now can someone please point me towards the instructions for fine-tuning the brightness at each level. Thanks.
    It is in the second post in this thread.


    Cheers
    Dave

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