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    Default Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    Hi all!

    First post here and this seem to be a really great forum if you have anything to ask about that contains a LED.

    By little of a coincident so did i find the DX page and saw hundreds of LED flashlamps at a price that i didnt thought was even possible for the power levels they had. But they didnt seem to be of bad quality or so according to reviews here and i really needed a stronger one then the big halogen bulb one i bought for like for 15 years ago or so when white leds maybe just where about to be invented.

    After that i had gone through all of the flashlamps at the site so did i after hours of searching find two that had what i wanted. These were the UltraFire Cree C3 and the Ultrafire WF-606A, good or bad choise? I have read some really good reviews on these here but i just cant decide which one. One big reason is that i would like to se how they compare at a distance, say 60 foot or so. There is a good picture on the Cree C3 on this but none at WF-606 but i havent been able to se any such test here only on much shorter distance.

    I also believe that WF-606A would have a little better concentrated beam or so then the Cree C3 that has a smaller one since the first have a slightly bigger and longer reflector that could gather more light? But the same time so does it seems (at least from reviews here) that the WF-606A has a slightly light yellow tint to the light and C3 is more white, as i would like. Is this right? But the other hand so do i like the look on the WF-606B with its little bigger reflector.. *sigh* I just dont know which and i hope that maybe someone here maybe could help me with this. But which ever it will be so does it have to outperform my old halogen bulb flashlight if possible, but i dont think that should be any bigger problem?

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    Hello and welcome to CPF!
    I have some beamshots of both lights. I hope they help you in your choice.

    white wall from 1m. 1/60s, iso 80, f 2.8

    Ultrafire C3:

    Ultrafire WF-606A:


    corner, 5m. 0.5s, iso 80, f 2.8

    Ultrafire C3:

    Ultrafire WF-606A:


    garden, 2.5s, iso 80, f 2.8

    Ultrafire C3:

    Ultrafire WF-606A:


    garden detail (crop from previous images), tree is 23m far.

    Ultrafire C3:


    Ultrafire WF606A:


    Both lights have good build quality. WF-606A is slightly bigger and heavier.
    WF-606A has more throw and smoother beam. C3 has longer runtime, but quite narrow battery tube, so very high capacity ni-mh batteries will not fit (sanyo 2700..), eneloops and sanyo 2500 fit without problems. My WF-606A has yellow tint, but I think it is more lottery than a rule :-)
    Last edited by jirik_cz; 09-06-2007 at 05:42 AM.

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    Wow that a fast reply, thanks! Exactly what i needed to see!! Really interesting, didnt thought that it was that much different after all but you can clearly see a different between them in throw and 606 has a really smooth beam. I was on my way to order C3 but now when i see these pictures so will i absolutely go for the 606 instead. Any yellow tint is hardly seen in these pictures so i dont think it would be anything that is easily spotted or so.

    Btw, you dont happen to have any spec or maybe a qualified guess on run time for 606 with 2 sanyo 2500, and 2 ordinary alkaline, if there would be any bigger difference? I just cant find any info about this on DX..

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    Tint is not so obvious on these pictures, but with naked eye it is more apparent. I tested runtime with sanyo 2700mAh and it was 2:40h of regulated brightness then it dims rapidly. C3 had runtime 3:50 (regulated) with sanyo 2500. I don't know how is the runtime with alkalines.

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    Thanks for that info, and that was a little longer then i thought and it might even be little longer with alkaline since i think they have a little higher capacity as far as i know compared to same size of rechargeable battery. But the question then would be is if they could handle the current that is drawn, but they could normally put out quite a bit so i will try that when i get the flashlamp.

    I might think that the yellow tint could be more easy to see if the background is pure white or of a light color but if it would be trees and bushes the light would hit so could it be harder to see just because the spot is so smooth so the yellow will blend in to the more white light it give off.. i hope..

    But now its time to order 2 Ultrafire WF-606A and some other stuff at DX, so thanks once again for the pics and the info that was just what i needed to see so i could decide, thanks!

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    Agreed on 606A, it is brighter. But not sure about runtime though. Ultrafire C3 with 3xAA will last longer IMHO and gives better regulation IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry_A View Post
    Thanks for that info, and that was a little longer then i thought and it might even be little longer with alkaline since i think they have a little higher capacity as far as i know compared to same size of rechargeable battery. But the question then would be is if they could handle the current that is drawn, but they could normally put out quite a bit so i will try that when i get the flashlamp.

    I might think that the yellow tint could be more easy to see if the background is pure white or of a light color but if it would be trees and bushes the light would hit so could it be harder to see just because the spot is so smooth so the yellow will blend in to the more white light it give off.. i hope..

    But now its time to order 2 Ultrafire WF-606A and some other stuff at DX, so thanks once again for the pics and the info that was just what i needed to see so i could decide, thanks!
    I think that alkalines will have shorter runtimes, because their capacity drops rapidly when discharging with high current.
    Check this test of Fenix L2D CE, even in medium mode ni-mh has longer runtime then alkaline battery.

    Yes yellow tint is not good for white wall hunters, but outdoors it is definitelly better then blue or cool white tint.
    Last edited by jirik_cz; 09-06-2007 at 11:49 AM.

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    I don't have the WF-606A, but runtimes for the C3 on NiMH in 1AA and 2AA configurations are available in my single-stage AA review here:
    DX/KAI Single-Stage 1AA Cree/SSC shootout: BEAMSHOTS + RUNTIMES

    The C3 was definitely a good performer, and extremely well regulated on 2AAs (I also got ~3:50 to 50% on Sanyo 2500mAh NiMH).

    I didn't test alkalines in these lights, but based on my experience with the multi-stage AA lights, you are likely looking at much less regulation and probably ~1/2 the runtime.
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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    I have both these lights. Both are great. The 606A throws much further than the C3 due to the larger diameter reflector.

    As for tint, I thinks that's just luck, whatever the factory has on the day your product was built.

    The best option is to buy the 606A and get some rechargable RCR2's from AW (and a charger).
    Why ? Because it's even brighter running on the RCR2 batts.

    Enjoy.

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    Essexman, how long is the runtime on RCR2 batts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirik_cz View Post
    I think that alkalines will have shorter runtimes, because their capacity drops rapidly when discharging with high current.
    Check this test of Fenix L2D CE, even in medium mode ni-mh has longer runtime then alkaline battery.
    ..

    That is true, i forgot that alkalines capacity only applies at a certain amount of drawn current from it and all over this and the capacity will be lower. And i have a bike lamp that i modded to be used with a single 5 mm white led and with one AA alkaline battery, instead of two big LR6 ones and a ordinary light bulb that was in it before. And with the low current this now take (about 16mA) so will it work excellent with only one alkaline. I modded this for almost a year ago now and the battery used is still going strong and it has been used about 3 times a week ever since for about 30 min every time. But for higher currents so wont a alkaline last long, that is true.

    Btw, i have now ordered two 606A from DX and i just cant wait till i get them.

    And thanks for the tips and links guys!
    Last edited by Henry_A; 09-07-2007 at 07:23 PM. Reason: Forgot some things

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    Essexman, how long is the runtime on RCR2 batts?
    From this rewiew
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=169199

    I found that the current draw on a RCR2 was around 0.8A. The AW RCR2 batts are 350mAh. So your looking at approx 20mins run time using a RCR2 (best guess).
    So it's not a very long burn time using the RCR2 batts, but it's a real pocket rocket.
    I'm still waiting for my Q5 to upgrade

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    @ Henry_A

    did your wf-606a arrived? are you happy? can you recommend the lights for simple biking too?

    thx in advance

    the pi

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    After buying a 1W 1xAA and 5W 3xAAA Luxeon on eBay before being aware of Crees and the like I specifically wanted a Cree 2xAA torch and the WF-606A seems to be the best, especially after the beamshots posted in a different thread. A 2xAA Rebel would have been even more to my liking but they don't appear to be mass-produced yet.
    The C3 appears to be the most popular 2xAA LED torch but the narrow diameter 2xAA torches don't appeal to me, despite the C3 offering 5 modes.

    I have questioned the purchase as I have a 1W Nite-Ize combo pack (hopefully) on the way from a US eBay seller. A WF-606A from DealExtreme costs less than a TerraLUX TLE-5EX MiniStar2 so it's the best way to get a Cree 'Minimag'.

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    I wonder if the new 5-mode C3 1xAA / 2xAA tubes are widened to accommodate larger cells?

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    Quote Originally Posted by swxb12 View Post
    I wonder if the new 5-mode C3 1xAA / 2xAA tubes are widened to accommodate larger cells?
    The casing appears to be unchanged.

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    Judging by the fotos C3 has a wider spill though throws slightly worse then 606A. Is it really so (the width of a spill) or is it just a difference in lights' and camera positions at the time of shooting?

    Also was the C3 single-mode or multi-mode? As I know C3 multi-mode on 2AA should be brighter then single-mode...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmlwyb View Post
    Judging by the fotos C3 has a wider spill though throws slightly worse then 606A. Is it really so (the width of a spill) or is it just a difference in lights' and camera positions at the time of shooting?

    Also was the C3 single-mode or multi-mode? As I know C3 multi-mode on 2AA should be brighter then single-mode...
    It was C3 single-mode. C3 has wider spill, but only slightly.

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    See my comparison kitchen photos between the WF-606A and single-mode C3 also. Single-mode C3 is about half the brightness to the WF-600 in both throw and overall brightness and this is agreed by all of my friends who used both. (I have two single-mode C3's btw) The new 5 mode C3 should be as bright and can be brighter than the WF-606A when used with 2AA or better. (Dunno about the safety levels when using it with 3AA or 14500 but it does make it significantly brighter)

    WF-606A is built tougher than the C3. Feels more solid and feels heavier in hand.
    If you don't mind the permanent 2AA length, it is a great light which is bright also.

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    Quote Originally Posted by bessiebenny View Post
    See my comparison kitchen photos between the WF-606A and single-mode C3 also. Single-mode C3 is about half the brightness to the WF-600 in both throw and overall brightness and this is agreed by all of my friends who used both. (I have two single-mode C3's btw) The new 5 mode C3 should be as bright and can be brighter than the WF-606A when used with 2AA or better. (Dunno about the safety levels when using it with 3AA or 14500 but it does make it significantly brighter)

    WF-606A is built tougher than the C3. Feels more solid and feels heavier in hand.
    If you don't mind the permanent 2AA length, it is a great light which is bright also.
    My original thought when I came to this forum was to order MTE 5 Rebel (I only read DX reviews then). Then I found a lot of information including your beamshots, bessiebenny, and concluded that I should order 2AA light which is brighter then MTE 5 Rebel (compare 606A and MTE. MTE is clear outsider). So I decided on Ultrafire C3 5-mode that should be like 606A in the brightest mode as I understand.

    After that I discovered beamshot collection of jirik_cz here and in my opinion his results differ from yours, bessiebenny. I mean MTE 5 Rebel doesn't seem that dim in comparison with 606A as on your kitchen photos and has a wider spill also. I considered 606A to be the brightest 2AA light from DX but with jirik_cz's fotos MTE Rebel's and 606A's brightness vary not that much and I like MTE's wide beam more... (compare and MTE and 606 or this shots: MTE and 606). So I made a full circle and finally came to the same decision with which I first appeared here - to order MTE. I'm slightly confused with all of that now and don't know which beamshots are more truthful

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    wf-606A has more throw, brighter spill and runtime is around 2,5 hours
    mte rebel is quite small, has wider hotspot, 5 modes, and runtime on high is only around 1 hour.

    both are very different lights.
    so there is only one proper solution:
    buy both!

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    Good advice) I've already thought that this flashlight (whichever I choose) probably will not be my last

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    Quote Originally Posted by tmlwyb View Post
    After that I discovered beamshot collection of jirik_cz here and in my opinion his results differ from yours, bessiebenny. I mean MTE 5 Rebel doesn't seem that dim in comparison with 606A as on your kitchen photos and has a wider spill also. I considered 606A to be the brightest 2AA light from DX but with jirik_cz's fotos MTE Rebel's and 606A's brightness vary not that much and I like MTE's wide beam more... (compare and MTE and 606 or this shots: MTE and 606). So I made a full circle and finally came to the same decision with which I first appeared here - to order MTE. I'm slightly confused with all of that now and don't know which beamshots are more truthful
    Hmm. Yeah. Either his WF-606A isn't as bright as what I have or his MTE Rebel is MUCH brighter than the one I have. LOL I don't have multiple samples of each light so I can only go by what I have. I made sure to use fully charged and multimeter tested (1.3v) AA NiMh batteries and made sure I couldn't make it any brighter before I took those shots and light readings.

    WF-606A is a 2AA ~3W light where as the MTE Rebel and the Ultrafire C3 is a 1.5W or so light. I don't know how his Rebel 100 is so bright coz it definitely isn't as bright in my tests and in Selfbuilt's tests. (his comprehensive tests show that MTE R100 is only a tiny bit brighter than the single mode Ultrafire C3 which is in line with my results)

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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    Quote Originally Posted by bessiebenny View Post
    Hmm. Yeah. Either his WF-606A isn't as bright as what I have or his MTE Rebel is MUCH brighter than the one I have. LOL I don't have multiple samples of each light so I can only go by what I have. I made sure to use fully charged and multimeter tested (1.3v) AA NiMh batteries and made sure I couldn't make it any brighter before I took those shots and light readings.

    WF-606A is a 2AA ~3W light where as the MTE Rebel and the Ultrafire C3 is a 1.5W or so light. I don't know how his Rebel 100 is so bright coz it definitely isn't as bright in my tests and in Selfbuilt's tests. (his comprehensive tests show that MTE R100 is only a tiny bit brighter than the single mode Ultrafire C3 which is in line with my results)
    My MTE Rebel is +- as bright as fenix L1D CE, which corresponds to selfbuilt's tests. Maybe my WF-606A is weaker than yours? There can be quite big differences between same models of these cheap lights.

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    I can verify bessiebenny´s results. I own both lights and the MTE Rebel 5 Mode is quite bright for its size, but the WF-606A is definitely brighter (but bigger and heavier).

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    Hi.

    606A

    I get very good runtime on 2100 energizer nimhs with very bright and useful light.

    Alkaline will get less runtime.

    Using 2x2300 or 2500mAh (depending on brand) nimhs i usualy get about 2 hours before 50% mode kicks in.

    606a is indeed heavier than the C3 but not really detectable.

    Orings in the end (tail threads of the battery tube) tend to get dirty, but are easy to clean.

    A fine replacement for earlier luxeon led and mini-mag incans.

    Tail clicky has momentary off that you can tap with your thumb to create a kind of strobe or sos.

    606a can also take 3.9v 14500 li-ion so long as you have a dummy AA battery.

    There is also a new MXDL that looks good and for 11$ you can't really complain.

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8788

    Smooth reflector so it throws far.
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    Default Re: Buy UltraFire Cree C3 or Ultrafire WF-606A?

    Quote Originally Posted by jirik_cz View Post
    Maybe my WF-606A is weaker than yours? There can be quite big differences between same models of these cheap lights.
    Maybe this is the case. My friend and I can clearly see that WF-606A is about twice the brightness of the Ultrafire C3.

    Can you measure the current from the battery for the WF-606A using 2AA NiMhs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northernflame View Post
    There is also a new MXDL that looks good and for 11$ you can't really complain.
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8788
    That MXDL is very cheap, but I'm not sure which LED it uses. On the images
    is not cree, nor rebel, nor SSC. It can be old luxeon or edison opto.
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    MXDL are noted for using older style luxeon or luxeon clones.

    On rare occasions lumileds emitters.

    Good smooth beam, glass lens, regulated.

    A good buy for 11$

    I've never been a die hard fan of MXDL . However lately they've re-earned my respect.

    I'l test the runtime and power specs l8tr on.

    It's about the same side spill brightness of the C3's side spill, as for hotspot it's perhaps 5-10% brighter than the 606a hotspot at the same distance.

    Tint is a tiny bit blue on the fringes indicative of older luxeons.

    Another plus is the beam has no transitional dark rings

    This MXDL is obviously a 3watt. They always exaggerated the older luxeon watts ratings.

    I still like my 606a's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bessiebenny View Post
    Can you measure the current from the battery for the WF-606A using 2AA NiMhs?
    Sorry, I have not proper equipment.

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