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    Default Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    I've had L2D Q4 for a while... great lite.

    Very bright for the size. 135 Lumens.

    I realize Q5 has 180 lumens, or 45 Lumens more.

    Is it a good idea to upgrade? I want the brightest 2AA Lite, but not sure I will even see that extra 45 lumens.

    When is the next generation of the LEDs will come out, with another quantum leap? I mean in the 200-300 lumen range?

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    Ironic Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    I recently upgraded my L1D CE to an L1D Q5. The L1D Q5 is definitely brighter. You should upgrade your L2D Q4 to an L2D Q5. After all, it's only money.
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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    Quote Originally Posted by etc View Post
    I've had L2D Q4 for a while... great lite.

    Very bright for the size. 135 Lumens.

    I realize Q5 has 180 lumens, or 45 Lumens more.

    Is it a good idea to upgrade? I want the brightest 2AA Lite, but not sure I will even see that extra 45 lumens.

    When is the next generation of the LEDs will come out, with another quantum leap? I mean in the 200-300 lumen range?
    Keep in mind binning is a range rather than a spot.

    4sevens stated P3D drives its emitter at 0.8A*1 If it's driven at the same current on the L2D, you can expect that the LED will emit approximately 1.8 times the 0.35A spec.

    From CREE:
    0.35A specs:
    Q4: 100-107
    Q5: 107-114

    At 0.8A drive and before thermal derating, you can expect 180-193 emitter lm from Q4 and 193-205 emitter lm

    From what I can tell from the datasheet, the best case gain (if you have the bottom of the bin Q4 and you get the top of the bin Q5) is 14% measured and no gain in the worst case. Taking the ratio of mid-range of both, I'd say more likely gain is around 6.8% measured.

    It is understood that our perceived brightness can be approximately represented by "square law".

    In worst case, there is zero gain.
    In likely case, there's sqrt(1.068) or 3.3% perceived gain
    in best case, 6.8% perceived gain.

    I would certain not buy a whole new light in a hope of gaining 3.3% of noticeable brightness.

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    Last edited by Handlobraesing; 03-23-2008 at 02:51 AM.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    Quote Originally Posted by etc View Post
    I've had L2D Q4 for a while... great lite.

    Very bright for the size. 135 Lumens.

    I realize Q5 has 180 lumens, or 45 Lumens more.

    Is it a good idea to upgrade? I want the brightest 2AA Lite, but not sure I will even see that extra 45 lumens.

    When is the next generation of the LEDs will come out, with another quantum leap? I mean in the 200-300 lumen range?
    I seriously doubt that you'll be able to tell any difference. I've upgraded a number of Cree lights, but from P4 or Q2 to Q5, which is worthwhile.

    One other point -- a lot of the Q5 emitters I've seen aren't really more efficient than a Q4. They just have a higher forward voltage so they produce more light (but consume more power) at a given current. So if you "upgrade" to a Q5, you're likely to find that the run time decreases by just about the same fraction as the light output increases.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    Thanks for putting things into proper perspective.

    I think I will keep it until I either loose it, break it or give it away - no immediate plans to do any of it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curious_character View Post
    I seriously doubt that you'll be able to tell any difference. I've upgraded a number of Cree lights, but from P4 or Q2 to Q5, which is worthwhile.

    One other point -- a lot of the Q5 emitters I've seen aren't really more efficient than a Q4. They just have a higher forward voltage so they produce more light (but consume more power) at a given current. So if you "upgrade" to a Q5, you're likely to find that the run time decreases by just about the same fraction as the light output increases.

    c_c
    CREE doesn't rate the output by power consumption, but current, so efficiency is not part of the binning requirements.

    CREE gives 3.3v typical and 3.9v max for Vf@0.25A
    3.7v typical at 1A, but no max spec given at 1A.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    Do you really have L2D Q4? Or do you mean L2D P4? L2D Q4 should have more than 135 lumens on turbo.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    I see that FENIXSTORE advertises stock heads.
    Link https://www.fenix-store.com/index.php?cPath=27_41
    None in stock at present though. I assume the heads are upgradeable?

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    I have L2D-CE, that I got last year from Fenix Store. It's whatever came before Q5 I presume.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    The P4 came before the Q5(big difference between the P4 and Q4). There was also a special Q2 run but that was short lived.

    From P4 to Q5, there should be around a 30% increase in output(noticeable, but not significant). If you think that is worth the work, then go for it.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    I don't know about CE to Q5.

    I have two examples of up-rated lights.

    I have a LOD Q4 and a LOP SE(LUX) the difference is staggering!!!!

    I have an older P1 LUX and a P2D Q5. Again the difference is staggering!!!

    I have some pretty bright P4 lights, and P2D Q5 does not blow those out of the water.

    But as an L1D Q5 I think I'd be pretty hard pressed to come up with a better EDC for MY needs.

    I can't see where you'd need to upgrade to a Q5. I can completely understand WANTING to....
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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    Sorry, I meant L2D-CE P4.

    The original question should have said -

    Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from P4 to Q5?

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    P4 to Q5 is a whole letter worth of upgrade, which i think is the minimum when you want to upgrade the emittor.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crenshaw View Post
    P4 to Q5 is a whole letter worth of upgrade, which i think is the minimum when you want to upgrade the emittor.

    Crenshaw
    I agree. I've done that upgrade to several lights. You get a 30 - 35% increase in light output, which is just about enough to barely notice.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    I try to find someone to give my old light to...assuming it`s in good shape. Justifies getting the latest one out...I have a birthday coming up...

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badbeams3 View Post
    I try to find someone to give my old light to...assuming it`s in good shape. Justifies getting the latest one out...I have a birthday coming up...


    If it's in good shape, give it to a good friend or family member.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    My LOD Q4 tells me there ain't nothing terribly wrong with Q4s.....
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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badbeams3 View Post
    I try to find someone to give my old light to...assuming it`s in good shape. Justifies getting the latest one out...I have a birthday coming up...
    thats what happened to me LOD-CE....except someone offered to buy it from me...of course i was happy to sell it...

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    I have both and the difference in brightness is not much.

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    Default Re: Fenix L2D: Worth upgrading from Q4 to Q5?

    Can you quantify the difference?

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