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    Default What's the big deal with tail standing?

    I'm confused by the importance people seem to give the ability to tailstand a light. Is this a feature folks use a lot? The only times I've ever wanted to tailstand a light there has not been a flat surface around anyway, so I just prop it up against something. So how often have you tail-stood a light?

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    I tailstand my lights all the time when indoors. Outdoors I use a diffuser or hang it somewhere. Just last month I was helping install a sink in friends cottage and I tailstood my light under the sink to see what we were doing. I could go without tailstanding ability but I find it easier to have the option.
    I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    for home use to me its important during a blackout ,where you could just put it in the room on a table,dresser,counter etc and light everything up and walk around freely doing other things ....for example during 2003 eastern U.S blackout i used my 3dmag in tailstand in kitchen and no one needed a flashlight really unless they need to spot something in darker areas...this was me pre cpf so it was stock incan at the time it was great but i wish it would happen again so i could whip out the real goodies...malkoff or 6ex mag in tailstand and walk around with the fenix or vice versa

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    I generally don't tail stand my lights but when I need to, a flat, stable tail sure beats a wad of gum to hold the light straight!



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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    I have done this before, taking say the D10 into the bathroom on a low mode to not wake me up but leaving enough light to take a shower and take out contacts.

    Mainly used inside a house where you have flat tables and white ceilings to reflect the light. Other times say in a tent you would hang the light.

    I do use it fairly often like that. Hell, on high the D10 is bright enough it seems like I have one of the fluorescent bulbs on!
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    I don't get it either. Most of the time, tailstanding is done on a surface lower than your eyes, meaning if you look towards your light, you get a nasty blast in your eyes. Also, any light more than 1 cell is quite top heavy, and the slightest bump will send it crashing down into whatever you have it on.

    I find it MUCH more convenient to lay the light on it's side and do a wall bounce (rather than a ceiling bounce). You can then easily keep it pointed in such a manner that you are never exposed to the direct light.

    Further more, any light not suitable for tailstanding can easily be propped up, or just set in something as simple as a coffee mug when you need it to be.

    For these reasons, the ability to tailstand is NEVER a consideration for me.

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    It sure doesn't make or break a sale for me either but, if it will (tailstand) that's a plus for me. As I said before though, I tailstand my lights rarely--about as often as I walk on my hands! For me, if the dang light fits into my mouth easily---to free up my hands for working--and doesn't bust my teeth, I'm much happier!



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    Sealed beam lanterns don’t need to be tail standed. Since I like them though, it would be usefull I guess for normal lights to be able to just be placed down and forgot about, so you could use your free hands for something else “like using another flashlight“.
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    I tailstand my lights often when I'm indoors. I often use surfaces higher than eyelevel - the top of the 'fridge, top of the bathroom medicine cabinet, top of a window frame or curtain box. I find it a very useful feature - similar to a headlamp, it leaves BOTH hands free.

    What I can't understand is when lights can't tailstand for no good reason. I can see if you want a tactical switch to stick out for quick, unobstructed access, but often lights are designed that can't tailstand for no obvious reason. Can't figure that one out.

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    You wouldn't ask that question if you had twins girls that both needed changing at one am
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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    I really like the tail standing ability of my Fenix T1 when bisquit hunting late at night. But it is not a deal breaker if the light does not tail stand.
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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    not a deal breaker just nice to have

    i dont have an issue with led hurting my eyes even on regular table unless im pretty much right at the flashlight standing over it,but i could sit at the table and it has no effect...if im walking around and im like a couple feet away from flashlight the led is no issue

    marduke if you like wallbounce im sure you like antiroll as a + even though you could use some crap on the table to assist the antiroll is nice to have

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    Quote Originally Posted by qip View Post

    marduke if you like wallbounce im sure you like antiroll as a + even though you could use some crap on the table to assist the antiroll is nice to have
    Yeah, anti-roll is a plus. However, it's a secondary feature also. Most of my small lights have either a clip, some keychain/lanyard attachment, or both. Any of the above keep it from rolling even without the light itself being anti-roll. When is need, one or two pieces of random junk on the table/counter do just fine to keep it from rolling away.

    But I rarely have a light roll off a table, where nearly every time I tailstand (or even set down as a headstand), the light falls over with a loud crash.

    Ever reach across a nightstand at night and knock over a 2D MagLite standing on it's head? Trust me, you don't have to worry about grabbing that nice dim night-time light you were reaching for, everyone already knows you're awake

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    The ability to tail stand is a feature that I look for in a light that may be used indoors during a power failure. The ceiling bounce lights up the whole room and I like that indirect lighting better than lanterns which tend to have a lot of glare. It's not the most important feature I look for in a flashlight, but there have been lights that I've passed on because they couldn't tail stand.

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    OK, so I guess tailstanding is a concern to a large number of people... personally I never really tailstand lights but do bounce beams off things. For that, I find some sort of anti-roll design far mroe useful.

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    anti-roll is usually covered for me by a clip, ring or lanyard on the light. so tailstanding is a huge priority for me due to the increased flexibility of lighting options.

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pipspeak View Post
    So how often have you tail-stood a light?
    Every_single_day. If I get caught without a tailstandable light in my pocket it irks me. It used to be an LOD. Now I make sure I have one of the NiteCore PDs on me at all times. They're great for this. Specially the EX10. It's shorter and fatter. The IncenDio works great too.
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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    I like tailstanding a light so much I have used short pieces [~0.75"] of clear vinyl tubing on the back of lights, such as an Inova X1, to allow tailstanding. The tubing comes in a range of diameters, so you can often find one to fit a light. It actually made twisting the tailcap [on/off] a bit easier too. Lite-me, I'll bet you could do that for your LOD.

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes ya don't. I really like tailstanders also.
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    Tailstanding comes in handy. I use it in my bathroom regularly, standing the light on top of the shower door slider, i.e. above head level so no glare. When the light doesn't have the feature it's usually possible to improvise in some way. During the 2003 NY blackout someone mentioned, I simply dropped my Arc AAA into a coffee cup pointing upwards.
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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    You wouldn't ask that question if you had twins girls that both needed changing at one am
    I think I would turn on the lights.

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    I find it a useful feature from time to time. But its not a deal-breaking feature for me. Its MUCH more handy with throwers than flooders, when used indoors. With a thrower a ceiling bounce is pretty much the only way to get useful close range flood (IMHO). I disagree with marduke, a thrower with a tight hot spot will not blind you if it is ceiling bouncing at a level lower than your eyes. Provided of course that you don't look directly at or into it. A floody light however will catch your vision and blind you in such a scenario.

    I have this tailcap on order, we'll see how well it converts my 6P into a ceiling bouncer. The DX drop ins are far too throwey for close range use. I'm hoping a ceiling bounce tail-standing conversion will help increase usefulness.

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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    I also tailstand regularly indoor; even multi-led M@g 2D I tailstand (just don't touch it LOL).

    I'm going to have my 1st SF, which cannot tailstand. One reason I've been resisting SF is because of the lack of tailstand, but I'm really curious about SF so I'm yet to see how I will survive without tailstand :P

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    Simply ask you self whether you see an advantage in having a light freestanding on a relatively flat surface.

    Needing to ceiling bounce to light a room during a power cut is a common requirement but there are many others.

    For me this would not kill a deal on a cheap or a specialist light but for a "perfect" light it is an absolute must.
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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    For an around the house light tailstanding is very, very nice. Being able to set the light down on the kitchen counter in the middle of the night so that I can make my way around the area thanks to the general lighting effect achieved by ceiling bounce is a great way to kust make enough light for me to make a snack and not wake up others who catch glare from the kitchen lights in my home.
    And of course I jut love playing with lights, so taking a shower by flashlight is just indulging my idiot self.
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    Default Re: What's the big deal with tail standing?

    To me it's one of the things that's neat to have, but no big deal if not.

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    Taking a shower by flashlight for me is only part flashaholism since I do it before bedtime. I think I get to sleep a little bit faster when I turn the overhead lights out earlier. Being in the dark for a while before turning in helps get my body ready to sleep. I got the idea from the book "The Promise of Sleep" by William De Ment. A little more sleep is almost always a good thing.

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    Tailstanding is a dealbreaker for me, i must have it

    It's the reason why i have a Z48 on my SF C2

    all of my lights tailstand, its just better for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    You wouldn't ask that question if you had twins girls that both needed changing at one am
    +1!! (Well, we weren't blessed with twins, but my little Girl has grown up "under the flashlight beam," from changings to night-lights!!)

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    me personally, i dont see it as a much have feature, but its nice to have!i use the tail stand for basicly the same reason everybody else does, for ceiling bouncing during a power outage, for me, i pull out my closet door and tail stand it up there, so its abouve my head level. and i just thought about it, maybei can attach a holster to the closet door, so that way it wont get knocked off the top of the closet door.

    another reason why i like tail standing lights is because....the button is recessed! ( if its on the buttom ) so that way i wont accidently switch it on in my pocket, or gf's purse. and

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