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    Default Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    If so, please relate your experience. Is there a huge difference on how quick windows and your software applications start? Newegg is selling an OCZ 120 Gig SSD for $289. I guess these aren't quite the cutting edge compared to Intel models. When I can get at least a 160Gig for maybe the low $200's I might bite. The way things are going, maybe less then a year.
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    i watch a tech show thats awesuem thats live there is something new comeing out id wait prices will drop and they will be faster i dont recall all the details but wait the show is on wednesdays on twittv
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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    I put one in a new MacBook Pro I bought my sister for her birthday. It's very fast, very noticeably fast, but as with anything else there are significant differences among all these things so when looking into getting one check BOTH the write as well as the read speed.

    There are 2 technologies of SSD's. See Wikipedia's introduction to SSD's, especially the difference between SLC vs. MLC designs. It used to be that SLC was always way faster than MLC, but difference is now being diminished by clever caching and other goodies.

    Forgot to mention that I use large flash drives all the time and they keep getting faster. My current fastest is a Kensington Hyper-X 32GB. I back up Windows partitions to the drive. I suppose it's not by definition a true SSD, but at 32 GB even more than an OS can fit onto it, it seems like a real, useable drive to me.
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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    Hard to justify their price as a main drive.

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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    Since its relatively new tech, not yet.

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    Prices are going to drop quickly over time, everyone buying now will be embarrassed by next year. The only real reason to buy now is if you have a notebook that sees a lot of abuse.

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    I have a 64GB SSD in my Sony VAIO P. It runs a little faster I suppose, but I don't have an identical hard drive equipped unit to run for comparison. The main thing for me is that it is quiet and would probably withstand knocks better which will occur with such a small computer.

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    The stupid uncommon 1.8" drive in my thinkpad X41 died last year (about a month before the warranty was up) and I bought a 8GB CF card to replace it. My thinkpad now runs much smoother now. Everything loads much quicker and I don't think I'll need to worry about this storage medium crapping out - not before something else like the HSF/display/keyboard/etc.
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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    Prices are going to drop quickly over time, everyone buying now will be embarrassed by next year. The only real reason to buy now is if you have a notebook that sees a lot of abuse.
    Not quite if you have a high preformance desktop that is bottlenecked by the HDD a SDD will bost preformance.

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    The problem with SSD is that is has a definite lifespan. You can only write to any particular spot a certain number of times. The SSD uses some clever tricks to keep the writes spread around, but if you have write intensive applications you will find it failing in 2 or 3 years.

    On the other hand, a premium spinning hard drive is likely to work for many years in ideal conditions, though it could crash after only a few months.

    As our SUN rep said, they figure in 2 years the current tech would be obsolete and replaced by newer bigger better faster anyway. Yes, they are talking about a 3 year lifecycle as being acceptable. I guess that they may be right as I've worked at a few places that leased so they could replace all their systems every two years.


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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    I'm waiting to buy one for my gaming machine but the SSD's just aren't quite there yet. I'm looking forward to them though. Tom's Hardware has done some good testing on SSD's if you happen to make it over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinkle-Plank View Post
    Not quite if you have a high preformance desktop that is bottlenecked by the HDD a SDD will bost preformance.
    At this time, the increase in performance is marginal over a gaming HDD, while the price is disproportionately larger, but check back in a few months..

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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    I configured my Dell notebook to include a 64G SSD. It was a $700 upgrade which was very expensive for 15 months ago, but I really like it. Completely quiet, fast, and virtually shock proof. Now prices are way down and capacities are up.

    The only moving parts I have on my computer are the DVD drive, the fan, and the keyboard/buttons/hinges. That can't be a bad way to go.

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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    I ran into a "great deal" on a used ASUS minibook with a SSD, seemed a LOT slower than a standard HDD. Used it, tried it, certainly didn't like the compressed keyboard either.

    I like a large "Enter" & "Shift" key on the right specifically. It had a big "Enter" key, but the "Shift" key was the same size as the letters. My little finger (RH) kept "getting lost".

    It's gone, sold it for what I paid for it...at least I got a better "tryout" than just standing by one in a store.

    I'm not totally against them yet. One needs to make sure the physical keyboard is compatible with their own typing style/hands.

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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

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    SSD will likely be the future of drives once the reliability is sorted.

    Some extra info about Intel: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage...te_Drives.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget_lover View Post
    The problem with SSD is that is has a definite lifespan. You can only write to any particular spot a certain number of times. The SSD uses some clever tricks to keep the writes spread around, but if you have write intensive applications you will find it failing in 2 or 3 years.

    On the other hand, a premium spinning hard drive is likely to work for many years in ideal conditions, though it could crash after only a few months.

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    I am not entirely sure how fast prices will fall further, even though we are used to this trend. Flash memory makers have already been loosing money for a long time, some have gone into bancruptcy, and some facilities have closed. Perhaps a good combination would be enough flash on board to run 95% of the time on replaceable flash, and the rest with a conventional HD.
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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    With the recent price drop on Intel X25-M drives with the release of the 2nd generation I'm getting a 80GB for my new MacBook Pro. When I had my ThinkPad, I told myself I would get a SSD for my next notebook. The MacBook came faster than expected and the price drop from Intel came just in time! Sure, they are more expensive than traditional hard drives but I don't need that much space on my notebook. I lived with a 80GB hard drive for many years on my ThinkPad, I can still live with 80GB for a few years and anyway, USB 2.5" hard drives are cheap for when I need storage. On the other side, the speed improvement, the lower power consumption and the shock resistance are really attractive.

    Now... I'm just waiting for these 2nd generation X25-M to be available for sale...

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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by gadget_lover View Post
    The problem with SSD is that is has a definite lifespan. You can only write to any particular spot a certain number of times. The SSD uses some clever tricks to keep the writes spread around, but if you have write intensive applications you will find it failing in 2 or 3 years.

    On the other hand, a premium spinning hard drive is likely to work for many years in ideal conditions, though it could crash after only a few months.
    I agree with what Daniel said. Write intensive applications will shorten the lifespan somewhat. This might not matter as much as you think in a corporate environment where a failed drive is simply reimaged and user data is stored on a network drive, so the increase in speed and productivity might be worth the tradeoff in possible lifetime reduction. On the other hand, if you keep everything on your personal machine's internal SSD and you're not too fastidious about making backups, you might have a rude awakening in a couple of years.

    I'm toying with the idea of installing one on a machine that I've built specifically for video editing, where all of the content is eventually offloaded to external media so a catastrophic failure might not be so bad, and I will definitely benefit from the speed improvement.

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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    A very worthwhile site to learn all about the tricks etc on SSD
    is hosted by OCZ. They have a huge amount of info and this site is a must for anyone seriously wanting to be a 'beta tester' for this new technology.

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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    SSDs (or any hard drives for that matter) don't have all that large of an effect on gaming, since basically everything is loaded into RAM (unless you have to use the paging file, in which case you need more RAM). Having an SSD would only improve load times, and not overall frames per second, so it wouldn't really result in smoother gameplay.
    I am probably going to wait until SSD's become more mainstream, since they aren't cost effective. If I want to spend $600 on storage, I could literally get 6TB (or more) worth of 7200 RPM hard drives in all sorts of different RAID arrays, or less with RAID 1 or RAID 5. OR, I could get 2 WD velociraptor 10,000RPM hard drives in RAID0, which would be plenty fast.
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    The hosting company I use recently switched to ssd drives. That says a lot. We'll see how it goes--I keep good backups!

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    The hosting company I use recently switched to ssd drives.
    Probably because web hosting typically involves a lot of random / non sequential reads, which SSDs are good at. Otherwise, they are an expensive performance option that I feel are only worth it for laptops.

    For really intensive database I/O I try to get as much running in RAM as possible.

    Then again, basing storage performance in a laptop is like using a Dodge Neon to reference 0-60 acceleration. Laptop I/O is horrendous to begin with, so it needs any help it can get.

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    Default Re: Any of your computer guys buy a SSD (solid state disk) yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot View Post
    I'm waiting to buy one for my gaming machine but the SSD's just aren't quite there yet. I'm looking forward to them though. Tom's Hardware has done some good testing on SSD's if you happen to make it over there.
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    What he said. Definitely will have one in the near future. I anticipate I'm going to need a new window$ box for Star Trek Online, Starcraft II, and who knows what else... so I'll likely run from an SSD drive.
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    From what I've been reading SSDs should reach price parity with magnetic disks in anywhere from 5 to 10 years. I know that's a large range, but in the computer industry making predictions even 1 year out is fraught with difficulty. Long before price parity is reached, there may be compelling reasons for SSDs to make huge penetrations into the conventional drive market. While I may not be willing to pay ~$600 for a 250 GB SSD, such an SSD for around $75 to $100 would be quite attractive. That's still several times the price per GB of magnetic disks, but the premium would be worth the extra money. So IMO SSDs don't need to reach price parity with magnetic disks to take over a large segment of the market. If they can get within a factor of five or less that'll be good enough.

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    I use a Ozc Vertex 30Gb on my windows 7 gaming pc for os. I dissabled page file, and everything works youst fine. Windows 7 is tuned to perform well with ssd.

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