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    Michael Moore is coming out with a whole new series of 3D movie I can't wait to see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seb71 View Post
    I just saw Avatar (in 3D). I would say it is a beautiful movie. Not really a Science Fiction movie, it's more a Fantasy movie, but a must see one.
    I have not been able to say "what a great movie" or that I loved a movie in literally decades. That's over now. This movie is FABULOUS! Both in the technical and story sense. We saw the 12:01 AM premier in an IMAX theater 125 miles from home. Got home at 5:30 AM. It was well worth the drive! HIGHLY recommended!!

    I don't know if the movie is out in conventional 2-D but if it is, do NOT ruin it by seeing it in 2-D the first time. If you must, see it is 2-D the second time.
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    There was a bit in a preview for it that really annoyed me. It seemed that the guy in his "avatar" form says "Let's take back what is ours" or something similar-- and I had to ask "what do you mean 'ours', whitey?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaric Darconville View Post
    There was a bit in a preview for it that really annoyed me. It seemed that the guy in his "avatar" form says "Let's take back what is ours" or something similar-- and I had to ask "what do you mean 'ours', whitey?"


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    It is explained in the movie how Jake Sully (white guy) becomes a member of Na'vi people (blue guys).
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    I can't wait to see it in 3D, but I'll have to get over how the blue people look kind of retarded. That's a little distracting.

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    How do you know how a retarded alien looks like?

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    They just took a person and widened the eyes and nose, and made them blue to counter the lack of creativity. They could at least have done some creative things with the golden ratio to mimic the rest of life's creatures so that it didn't just look like a kid's crayola creation.
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    Maybe on Pandora (alien planet from Avatar movie) they have a different "golden" (esthetically pleasing) ratio than Earth's 1.618.
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    The laws of physics aren't just limited to Earth. A snow flake is a snow flake no matter where it forms.
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    I was referring to what is considered esthetically pleasing on Earth, not to laws of physics. Anyway, Avatar should be regarded as a Fantasy movie, not as a Science Fiction one. And in a fantastic world, laws of physics sometimes don't apply.
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    So without spoiling it, I'd love to know: How was the 3D element of the film? Film companies are currently banking on Avatar bringing this "gimmick" into new territory. Less "Ooh this is something long pointing out into the audience" and more of a textural depth creating way.

    At this year's cinegear expo (where all the latest film making toys are shown off and where there are a ton of big lights...weeee!) a lot of companies were showing off their 3D camera rigs and preview systems.

    This is a big deal in the film world, because right now many people skip seeing movies in theaters because they can find pirated versions on the interwebs or they just wait for the dvd to be released (not everyone, but a good number). The goal is to get people to actually go to theaters again like they used to by creating an experience they can't get at home, at least for now. There's a renewed "gotta see it in the theater" sense. Then the idea of seeing non 3D movies at the theaters will hopefully seem more reasonable to consumers again (especially at "non 3D" prices haha).
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    OH MY GOD! The last time I felt this way about any movie was the first time Star Wars played with its new special effects, and before that the first time I saw Wizard of Oz as a kid.

    This was a magical experience, and I really don't like going to a movie theater and dealing with all the distractions, but being in the theater became invisible. The 2 hrs 30 mins felt like 30 mins, and I'll probably go see it again within a few days with some family and friends. This was as powerful for me as seeing a quality live, Broadway show, or live Opera in New York City.

    DO NOT SEE THIS IN 2D !!! After my 3D IMAX was over I went into a 2nd showing at the theater complex which also had a large digital 3D screen, and I was again immediately immersed in that showing almost to the same degree. I watched the last 45 minutes of it which felt like 5-10 mins went by. It was just as enjoyable of an experience.

    The breakthrough miracle that this movie accomplishes is powerfully taking the audience into the alien world like you are actually in "Jake's skin" in the Avatar body. With the superb way the 3D was done in various views, you know you are experiencing something that you have not been exposed to before...and that contributes enormously to teleporting you into this alien but exquisitely beautiful, profoundly colored, and complex lush natural environments.

    These are the most beautiful & colorful nature scenes I have seen in a movie, even though it is CGI on the alien planet of James Cameron's mind. It is more beautiful than Crouching Tiger, Hero, LOTR Trilogy, 300, Bladerunner (final cut on BluRay), etc. One of the things Cameron did was make the world very alive with animals, plants, insects, characters. I almost felt like I was hallucinating how various Pandora scenes smelled and tasted, like my imagination was so engaged that it was inventing other sensory input.

    In the beginning of the movie, I and many people around me were saying "WOW" a lot because the quality of the 3D makes you much more a part of the movie, but you know you have not seen anything like this before. Then after that initial "being dazzled" by the miraculous 3D somehow becomes normal, you get pulled into the movie in a way that I have not experienced before. Unlike other 3D movies, your attention is not drawn to the technology as much as you are left with more powerful and immersive involvement with the movie. Personally, I don't think Cameron should have allowed this to be shown at 2D theaters, because it won't have the magical impact that he intended.

    The plot and character interactions were actually much better than I was expecting after reading all the trashing by people like those in this thread. One aspect that suprised me the most was how the beauty and scenery became such an intoxicating element, you almost didn't notice whether people were being too predictable in their dialogue or whatever else blasterman was saying above.

    True the story did not evoke as profound of emotions as have other movies I have seen, nor was it as deeply thought provoking afterwards. But this was a magical experience none-the-less. It took you directly into a world, and once there, I didn't want to leave it...and for a 2 1/2 hour movie to feel like it was only 30 minutes tells you a lot. Even now, back home writing this....I wish I could go back into the Avatar world--it was that intoxicating.

    The actual 3D glasses were very comfortable and slipped over my prescription glasses easily. I never noticed I had them on the entire time from a physical sensation. A couple times I lifted them up just to see what the movie would look like in 2-D, and I was horrified at how my experience of being immersed in the Avatar world was gone.

    Without question, I will see this movie at least 4-5 more times, and ONLY in a 3D theater. It is not critical that it be seen in IMAX, but true, quality 3D theaters are not all that common for some reason. In southeast CT, out of about 15 movie theater complexes, only one has true digital 3D. There is only one 3D IMAX theater in the state. The impact of this movie and immersion into the magical world is a fulfillment of what 3D has been trying to accomplish. For that alone, Cameron deserves enormous credit.

    I would buy a specially designed 3D television and necessary blu-ray if needed just to watch this movie again at home.

    Some people will love this movie (in 3D) more than others, but do not let anyone's opinion about it--especially made by viewing preview trailers--keep you from seeing it for yourself. Even writing all these gushing accolades, I'm not even scratching the surface on how powerful and enjoyable of a movie experience I had from this.
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    It looks cool. I haven't seen it, but the plot seems like Pocahontas with aliens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanA View Post
    It looks cool. I haven't seen it, but the plot seems like Pocahontas with aliens.
    That's akin to saying The Godfather trilogy seems like a bunch of Sicilians that come to America, or Lord of the Rings seems like a bunch of wizards, elves, and dwarves wandering around in an enchanted forest, or Dances with Wolves seems like another American western that abuses Native Americans.

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    I'm very impressed with the report of your movie experience Lux. I may have to go see what all the excitement is about but perhaps I'll let things settle a bit before heading down to my IMAX, which is typically busy all the time no matter what.

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    Wow Lux, it seems like this movie is some sort of opiate if you are going to see it 4 or 5 times. It seems like it is a truly new experience from the way you are describing it. Did you feel like you were on a holodeck at any point?

    All of the reviews and feedback that I have heard about the movie have been pretty much unanimously positive. I just saw an ad for the movie, and even on my 720P 50 inch plasma the realism was amazing. I can only imagine how amazing this would be in Imax with 3D.
    The glasses were polarized 3D glasses, right?

    Also, is the Showcase Cinemas Imax theater in Buckland Hills the one that is showing it in 3D in CT? That theater is only 20 minutes away from where I live, so it seems like it would be pretty foolish to not see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Wow Lux, it seems like this movie is some sort of opiate if you are going to see it 4 or 5 times. It seems like it is a truly new experience from the way you are describing it. Did you feel like you were on a holodeck at any point?

    All of the reviews and feedback that I have heard about the movie have been pretty much unanimously positive. I just saw an ad for the movie, and even on my 720P 50 inch plasma the realism was amazing. I can only imagine how amazing this would be in Imax with 3D.
    The glasses were polarized 3D glasses, right?

    Also, is the Showcase Cinemas Imax theater in Buckland Hills the one that is showing it in 3D in CT? That theater is only 20 minutes away from where I live, so it seems like it would be pretty foolish to not see it.
    For me, Opiate is a good way to describe the experience. I think I might have seen Lord of the Rings-III twice in a theater, but never have considered another movie to see repeatedly.

    Not like a holideck. A better comparison is to think of a good Broadway or Off-Broadway show/play where you can see everything in 3D, but you are looking out at the stage in front of you. The glasses look like Blues Brothers black frames with slight similarly looking gray tinged lenses. They give them to you in a sealed bag and they are called "RealD 3D" with their website www.reald.com

    Eventually I expect movies to be an actual holodeck experience, kind of like the Disney Circle-Vision 360 which is moving to some kind of Sphere-Vision 360˛. I don't know how they will film scenes holographically without showing the cameras and mics.

    Yes, Buckland Hills in Manchester is the only IMAX in CT, and it's not a "Real, Primo, Mega-Screen IMAX". Down in my neck of the woods, the only 3D is O'Neill theater complex in Lisbon, CT. You can use that link to check & purchase specific IMAX seats, with the best location being in the center. Saturday is sold out, but there are some showing times still open later in the week.

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    Lux, you describe perfectly, my feelings and thoughts of the movie. I was feeling just a little disappointed that the IMAX I was in was not the "surround" type that curves around at the front quite a bit. But you're saying that did not matter to you in the second partial you watched?

    It's playing just down the street in Digital 3D but not IMAX so it would be so easy for my wife and I to see a few more times. Intoxicating is a good word to use. Also, how you describe being pulled into the movie and everything else around you disappears is so correct.

    The luminescent colors in the forest when you first venture into them towards the beginning of the movie are indescribable. I was noticeably uneasy/agitated/let down - not quite sure how to describe it, when I had to leave the theater and couldn't see them any longer. Seeing them is, I imagine, like being on a Narcotic. MORE, MORE, MORE. I NEED to go back to the forest!!

    I wonder how long until great 3D tech will come to the big TV screens. I just heard something the other day about some type of finalization of the spec for 3D Blu Rays.
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    I saw it last night and and am just blown away. I haven't seen a movie that great in a long time. It is definatly a MUST to see it in 3D. I am going again to see it next week.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stillphoto View Post
    So without spoiling it, I'd love to know: How was the 3D element of the film? Film companies are currently banking on Avatar bringing this "gimmick" into new territory. Less "Ooh this is something long pointing out into the audience" and more of a textural depth creating way.
    This is by far not the old "gimmick" kind of 3D. This has taken it to a whole new level. It's definatly about the textural depth and for me emmersed me into the movie like I never have been before (even compared to a couple of other recent 3D movies I have seen)
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    I'll be seeing it @ the Spectrum tomorrow morning, looks promising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    Lux, you describe perfectly, my feelings and thoughts of the movie. I was feeling just a little disappointed that the IMAX I was in was not the "surround" type that curves around at the front quite a bit. But you're saying that did not matter to you in the second partial you watched?

    It's playing just down the street in Digital 3D but not IMAX so it would be so easy for my wife and I to see a few more times. Intoxicating is a good word to use. Also, how you describe being pulled into the movie and everything else around you disappears is so correct.

    The luminescent colors in the forest when you first venture into them towards the beginning of the movie are indescribable. I was noticeably uneasy/agitated/let down - not quite sure how to describe it, when I had to leave the theater and couldn't see them any longer. Seeing them is, I imagine, like being on a Narcotic. MORE, MORE, MORE. I NEED to go back to the forest!!

    I wonder how long until great 3D tech will come to the big TV screens. I just heard something the other day about some type of finalization of the spec for 3D Blu Rays.
    LOL! Post #59 above.

    Well said about the feeling of having to leave the theater. Think about the comment that makes....and although I snuck in the non-IMAX 3D showing, just to see how it compared to the IMAX, in reality I stayed the 40+ minutes until it ended because I wasn't ready to leave Pandora. After watching the additional 40+ minutes, I still wanted more. LOL!

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    I just watched Avatar in 3D "Imax" at a flat-screen theater (AMC Cupertino Square 16) - at 5 or 6 points in the movie I said "WOW!" out loud. This is an instant classic! Definitely worth seeing the 3D version.

    I am glad I didn't see any long trailers or reviews before seeing the movie. Too much of the plot is given away by the big trailer at the official website, but fortunately I saw it for the first time AFTER seeing the movie. There was a recent "science of the movies" show on TV where I saw some of how it was made, like the banshee riders. I thought, "this looks like a good science fiction show!"

    I liked the sci-fi aspects that were not belabored, like the tall aliens (the Navi). On a low-gravity world, the animals and plants would tend to grow taller. Sure, the overall plot was pretty predictable, but that's just because mankind tends to operate that way, given the chance. The surprising thing was how well the Navi actors portrayed emotions. The breathtaking immersiveness was better than anything I've ever seen. When I walked into my house after the 2 mile drive home, I was still out of breath!

    I'd like to see any naysayers try to come up with an alien landscape as original as this without losing the audience. It was just alien enough, with ideas borrowed from many life forms on earth but applied inventively.

    I'll have to go to an IMAX dome theater to see this again. And I will definitely acquire the blu-ray version when it becomes available. I believe that the 3D glasses are circular polarizers. Left hand circular for one eye, right hand circular for the other. Brilliant! Very little eyestrain even after 2 or 3 hours. I hung onto a pair to experiment with at home.

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    It's strange but I almost feel a bond among those who have seen it. LOL!

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    One bug eyed alien coming up.


    Looks a lot prettier in the rest of the movie. I think she is also in Star Trek.


    I only use one eye at a time. Can not see 3D.
    There were no lineups at my local mallplex! Um it is only showing 2D.

    I do not see anything wrong in the 2D version of the movie. Kudos to the lighting guy for making sure the movie does not look 'flat' while in 2D.
    There is none of that 'see I'm in 3D' nonsense like throwing spears at the audience in Beowulf.
    The scenery is beautiful. From the forests to the floating mountains.

    The storyline is an updated version of poor rancher against the big bad robber baron in the cowboy movies to the Na’vis against the big bad corporation. At last there is a plot (2012 na-na).

    Worthwhile watching on the big screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxLuthor View Post
    That's akin to saying The Godfather trilogy seems like a bunch of Sicilians that come to America, or Lord of the Rings seems like a bunch of wizards, elves, and dwarves wandering around in an enchanted forest, or Dances with Wolves seems like another American western that abuses Native Americans.
    Well yeah, don't get me wrong. All cool movies, but deep movies? Not so much.

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    Haven't seen it yet, and thanks to all for not shooting off with spoilers. Can't wait to see it, especially in 3-D.

    Watched a long Cameron interview, he pretty much confirmed all that I had read elsewhere (and posted about here).

    One item of interest: he mentioned a sequel!

    He had to leave quite a lot of scenes on the cutting floor and something tells me they are not going to go to waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEDninja View Post
    One bug eyed alien coming up.

    I only use one eye at a time. Can not see 3D.

    There were no lineups at my local mallplex! Um it is only showing 2D.
    This is what I'm wondering. I would really like to see this movie in 3D, but I have monovision also. One eye is focused for distance, the other for up close.. reading. They switch dominance depending on what I'm looking at.

    Does anyone have any insight as to whether or not for sure, that these glasses and this system will not work for us? I would hate to get there only to find out it looks terrible through the glasses. All blurry or something. And another question comes to mind, if it did, does it look... ok, in 2D without them at a 3D showing? I'm really undecided whether or not to try it in 3D.

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    Not sure on a bunch of your questions but i took the glasses off a couple times and there is no possible, enjoyable way to view the 3-D version without the glasses. There's two of everything side-by-side and a lot of blurriness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxLuthor View Post
    It's strange but I almost feel a bond among those who have seen it. LOL!
    YEAH!!! Me and Lux got a bond, now! Man, can ya dig-it? Far-out, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by get-lit View Post
    Michael Moore is coming out with a whole new series of 3D movie I can't wait to see...

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