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    I watched the movie in 2D tonight and I don't see how 3D could have made it much better. As stated, there is not much movie action coming at you like I thought there would be.

    Now, if you don't want to know certain things about the movie, do not read what I wrote below.









































    I honestly thought it was just good, not great. The graphics were really great except for the animated running of those 6 legged horse things. They looked like a 6 yo digitized those scenes. Can they not make them look like real horses running with the multi million dollar computer software they have available? One high note of the movie was that they thoroughly explain everything instead of just pcs of a story here and there.

    I'm also tired of the commentaries on how the US forces their beliefs on everyone else which is what this movie was about.

    I also got the feeling that Mr. Cameron was trying to say it was okay for the Al-Qaeda to kill us because we attacked their land (precious rock = oil?). The Marine/ alien makes the comment that "we will take the fight to them and kill them all if we have to".

    I'm probably a little more judgemental than most because I watch just about every movie that comes out and I might be a little desensitized because of all the movies I watch.

    It may win a oscar for best animated graphics but that's it. I don't think it lived up to all the hype but not many movies do.

    Is it worth watching, yes.
    Would I recommend it to friends, yes.

    It was a lot better than Ninja Assasins, that's for sure.






































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    Its rare that I say this about a movie, but Avatar blew my mind. The attention to detail in this movie was so deep that I'm not sure a person can fully appreciate the scope of thought provoking images concepts and ideas after only one viewing. I recommend seeing it with someone who can appreciate subtlety and attention to detail. I took my girlfriend who is a nature/animal lover to the extreme, who appreciates Gods creation and all of nature on a level even I find hard to understand. Needless to say we were both consumed by this film. I found myself through the entire movie truly imagining what it would be like to encounter such places and creatures here on earth. I think it would be fair to ask a person rather than "have you seen the movie Avatar" to say "have you experienced the movie Avatar"?

    Another think I liked about this movie was its semi realistic story line. By this I mean it wasn't all just HAPPY HAPPY its all good everything always works out no one dies or gets hurt type of a story.

    Also the blend of what is animated and real was very smooth, of course I realize what is digital and whats not, but I mean it was not a stumbling block.

    The only move that I can recall has ever impacted me more than what this movie did was when the first Matrix movie was released.. that was a true milestone.

    Bottom line: Great move, best I think I have seen all year, take someone with you. The only serious negative for me was the use of the Lords name in vain. While this is not a problem for some, to me it was unnecessary.
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    QrtHorse, thanks for giving your impressions. I'm sure I would have been less gushing in my praise had I seen it in 2D. I'm truly sorry for those who are monocular, but there is no way I would ever see this in 2D. I wouldn't even purchase the DVD or Blu-Ray if not in 3D.

    Part of why people describe this movie with comparisons to legendary epics like 1927's The Jazz Singer which first introduced sound, or the first Star Wars that exploded the limits of your imagination, or The Wizard of Oz when it first came out, or even a movie like Matrix-I -- is because with the revolutionary effect of the 3D, Avatar pulls you into the movie's world unlike anything has done.

    It actually has you "be in the movie," rather than watching a movie. When you are in the movie, you are enchanted and intoxicated by everything, and issues like you mentioned become insignificant. I noticed all the things you mentioned, but I was so in love with the revolutionary experience of this movie, none of that bothered me like it normally might have.

    IMHO, you missed experiencing the movie like the rest of us are talking about. I know when I took off my glasses several times (despite the double image issue), I was pulled back into watching a regular movie from a distance, as a spectator. Putting the glasses back on, I was teleported back into being in the world...no longer watching it. That is why it felt like the movie lasted only 30 minutes to me.

    It's holding up pretty well with Yahoo Movies ratings here. Drifting down to 82% at Rotten Tomatoes. I would really like to see a separate ranking only from those seeing it in 3D. I have no doubt that it will do just fine, because there are enough people with experiences like me having seen it in 3D that we will see it 4-5 or more times.

    Cameron has said he plans 2 sequels for Avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxLuthor View Post
    I wouldn't even purchase the DVD or Blu-Ray if not in 3D.


    Cameron has said he plans 2 sequels for Avatar.
    Better start saving now. 3D TV & 3D Blu-Ray expected next year. They have already done demos for the media geeks. The next Winter Olympics and FIFA World Cup will be recorded in 3D.


    The studios always sign up actors for 3 movies when they can get them cheap. Before the 1st one becomes a blockbuster and the actors want more money for the subsequent ones. X-men, Pirates of the Caribbean. The James Bonds are more lucky/unlucky to get up to 5 films at the low introductory price. If the movie bombs then its just 'an option'. Sharon Stone did manage to force the studios to make Basic Instinct 2 (the studios did not want to but the 1st one made enough money they were unable to use the 'if it bombs then it is just an option' escape clause).

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    Well Geez, I may have to see it in 3D now. We have a fairly new Imax that I have been wanting to visit anyway. It sounds like I have been missing out on the new 3D type experience. The last 3D movie I watched was the type that has things coming at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QtrHorse View Post
    Well Geez, I may have to see it in 3D now. We have a fairly new Imax that I have been wanting to visit anyway. It sounds like I have been missing out on the new 3D type experience. The last 3D movie I watched was the type that has things coming at you.
    This isn't like that. Those type of 3D are throwing stuff at you to show you what they can do, but it is not natural or intuitive. That's what Cameron brought to Avatar by using the 3D to enhance what you see, not impress you with the technology of 3D. When you see it, you will understand the huge difference.

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    Just saw it, it was great!

    I'd like to see it again.

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    I saw the movie in 3D not IMAX. I think 3D made a lot of scenes weaker. I noticed that when a scene had a lot of rapid movement or high contrast a lot of definition was lost; maybe on purpose? I liked the movie, but I like anything that takes an ancient story (Bible/Koran/Macedonian) and adds a high tech point of view. I think unless you get one of the 30 best seats at the IMAX (for the sound track) it’s a waste and 3D in general is a waste. I would say, see it in 2D while it is in the big theater or wait a couple of weeks and see it without someone right next to you except your loved ones. Just my two cents and they are not the copper ones.

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    I bought a 240Hz 46” LED TV and a BluRay player for the bedroom a month ago and returned it the next week. I hated it with the exception of live sports. It turns movies into daytime soaps (video) and reveals all the flaws with older BW movies. It’s just too perfect for my taste.

    I own a 1410-HD 61” Pioneer Elite plasma monitor and it is just right in my opinion (not counting any tuner and speakers). It does not support 1080P but it has a really great color picture and is a great display for line doubled DVD’s and 1080I cable/satellite programming.

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    Just watched it in 2D and everyone in the cinema was like WOW.
    Now i know i just got to watch it in 3D.
    Stunning graphics.
    The story was pretty good too but it was the scenes that made the WOW.
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    3-D in an IMAX cinema and in a regular cinema is quite different.

    IMAX uses LCD shuttered glasses and a regular cinema uses polarised glasses.

    There are literally hundreds of 3-D movies currently being made.

    It's in fashion at the moment.

    No sure if the current trend will last.
    Personally I don't think it will.
    It will just be a fad like every other time in history.

    I've seen the latest demos of Sony 3-D televisions.
    They are OK, but nothing you haven't really seen before if you've seen 3-D previously.

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    Opening weekend shatters records at $232 million worldwide without opening yet in China, Japan, Poland, Argentina, & Uraguay. Half way there to covering expenses....so no problems on this being a mega blockbuster success....and highly likely to have sequels.

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    About 55% of expenses goes into the distribution of movies. Only 45% goes towards production. So Avatar needs over a billion to break even.

    The pundits were not worried as there is a video game out. With video games costing ~$70 vs ~$14 for a movie ticket they should make a bundle there.

    The movie works well in 2D so DVD/Blu-Ray sales should be good as well.

    The studios will definitely be pushing for sequels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEDninja View Post
    About 55% of expenses goes into the distribution of movies. Only 45% goes towards production. So Avatar needs over a billion to break even.
    Can you explain how you came up to this conclusion?

    Are you saying that distribution costs are proportional to production costs of a movie? Are you saying that (distribution costs)=1.22x(production costs)?

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    We don't need to psychoanalyze details of profits in this thread. It's enough to know that everyone's fears about Cameron's high budget, and the movie being profitable are gone. They all took a big risk, and they deserve big rewards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seb71 View Post
    Can you explain how you came up to this conclusion?

    Are you saying that distribution costs are proportional to production costs of a movie? Are you saying that (distribution costs)=1.22x(production costs)?
    Not every dollar in ticket prices go to the producer of the movie. A lot of the money goes to the cost of building the movie theaters, the electricity bill, the ushers, the ticket sellers, the advertising, the cost of the film copies. (The last one is less for this movie as the 3D copies are shipped out in reusable hard drives)
    The studios have a nasty habit of signing multi-movie deals with the theaters covering the whole year. The distribution costs are calculated as a percentage of all the movies of the year. While a $500M movie has the same actual distribution costs as a $50M movie its percentage distribution costs are 10X the cheaper movie. One way the studios use the money from money making movies to pay for money losing movies through creative accounting.
    A little movie called My Big Fat Greek Wedding was filmed in Toronto with no name actors, zero special effects. Probably cost $10M to make. After $500M in ticket and DVD sales, it still showed a loss.

    A year or so ago I saw the 55% distribution 45% production number. A movie money analyst I saw on a news website said Avatar needs about 3X production costs to make money. Don't know which production cost he used. If the $260M number then its $780M. If $500M then its $1.5B.
    Avatar is well on its way to top the $1B mark in ticket sales. Add the video game and DVD sales and there is no problem going over the $1.5B mark.
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    I see. But it does not seems right to me to include losses of other movies when you compute Avatar's distribution costs. Those are losses of studios and/or theaters, not of Avatar movie (as a product, manufactured and then sold). But I am not an accountant.

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    As LEDninja says, only a few movies actually make a net profit. Gross, yes; but net... the studios bury the production costs of all their flops in the costs of their box-office successes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DM51 View Post
    As LEDninja says, only a few movies actually make a net profit. Gross, yes; but net... the studios bury the production costs of all their flops in the costs of their box-office successes.
    That's just a well known sham "Hollywood Accounting" scheme. They take out bushel baskets of money for everyone and their mother without leaving enough to have "net profit." A movie being net profitable means nothing. Read that link for many examples.

    A recent settlement with the Tolkein family finally resulted in The Hobbit being able to be made as a movie. Despite the $6 Billion LOTR income, the studios had refused to pay them anything.

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    No point in bickering about movie profits..



    This game made $310 million dollars in its first day. It grossed more money in one week than the movie Jaws made for the entirety of its theatrical run.

    Video games are the new blockbusters.

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    I loved that game. I think I played that one for 1 or 2 hrs almost every night for about 2 months. A lot of the time not playing the actual game, just driving around terrorizing the city. - On a Xbox 360
    Everyone who plays it can have a somewhat different experience.

    It cost more than a ticket to the movies, but it can continue to entertain a for long time after the purchase.

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    Saw it in I-Max 3D. I must say it seemed like a lot more than 30 minutes to me. Might be cause my somewhat worn out body does not like to sit upright for any lenght of time without complaining. Never the less...even at $13+ this is money well spent. Mr. Cameron has a better imagination than I do...thats for sure. It does seem that you enter another world...even the alien chicks start to look hot after a while ......or maybe there`s something wrong with me?

    Er...back on track...I like that the movie did not try to over do the 3 D effects. Simply eye candy from start to finish. Wish 3D could somehow be done without special glasses. Looking at my TV at home now...leaves me feeling flat.

    Edit: Guess I should give it some sort of rating. The story line has more/less been done before..but it is done very well none the less. Has some extreme violents...probably to much for some children. Not much in the way of sex...but I can overlook that flaw. I`m sure many will pick it apart...find many faults. But for plain fun the show delivers big time. And the visual/sound quality of the show is far beyond anything I have seen before.

    I give it a A+ overall. Simply a MUST see. No way around it.
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    I enjoy the fact that the intro scene pretty much puts you in the same sort of disoriented state that the characters are in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEDninja View Post
    The studios always sign up actors for 3 movies when they can get them cheap.
    We don't need no stinkin' actors.
    We talked about actors not being needed in teh future when I was at CSUC Chico in the late 1960's. Heinlein saw it when he wrote "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" a few years earlier.
    Stunt men and women will almost certainly disappear in a few years as an actor can be replaced seamlessly with CGI in many places.
    The difference between the most beautiful thing you have ever seen on a screen and a crudely drawn picture is only the arrangement of the pixels.
    Tis film is evolutionary, not revolutionary.

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    The "revolution" is not about Avatar's evolution of CGI, which I would agree with you is an evolution.

    The revolution is the magic this movie achieves vis-a-vis the viewer's immersion into the world of Avatar via the superb 3D. I don't know if this experience will extend to other 3D movies using Cameron's technology.

    I generally hate going to see movies in theaters, and have only seen one movie twice in a theater before. The only other movies I have seen in a theater over the last 2 years were Star Trek & Dark Knight.

    I've already seen Avatar twice, and going tomorrow to see it a 3rd time--always in 3D. The 2nd viewing was as "intoxicating" as the first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxLuthor View Post

    I've already seen Avatar twice, and going tomorrow to see it a 3rd time--always in 3D.


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    Ditto. Had a wonderful and blessed Christmas.

    Enjoyed Avatar the third time as much as the other two. Pretty amazing to see people give clapping ovation for a movie every time. Again, I would ONLY recommend that people see this in 3D.

    After this weekend, worldwide has now reached $620 Million already.

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    Did you read about the little temper tantrum Cameron had when a fan asked for his autograph?

    To this day, I still vow to punch Mark Mcgrath in the ear if I ever meet him for the way he treated a fan one day. Cameron's was not that bad but still uncalled for.

    Oh well, the pressure of being rich and famous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DM51 View Post
    As LEDninja says, only a few movies actually make a net profit. Gross, yes; but net... the studios bury the production costs of all their flops in the costs of their box-office successes.
    In other words it takes one Avatar to pay the losses on 8 Ishtars?

    Some of the younger people here may need to google that.
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