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    Hi guys,
    I just picked up a "5W Police" flashlight. It's a handy, cheap light for camping.

    I am impressed how bright it is for only $15.
    Does anyone know how bright this light is? the lumens or anything about the LED?

    It takes 4 AAA batteries and is a anodized metal housing. The LED is a little round yellow led and it says "zhong sheng zs20rba3"

    thanks for any info

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    where'd you pick it up from?? if you could provide a link that would be helpful and oh yes,

    also, no offence meant whatsoever, but multi AAA lights arent usually all that efficient, my first ever LED was a 3xAAA 9 LED 'showerhead' light which i thought was the bee's knees, wasp's nipples, hornet's elbows, well, you get what i mean, but then i got an Ultrafire C3 from DX and my downfall started from there.

    If you're prepared to take a risk, try doing a few 1ft drop tests on concrete to test the durability, as you wouldnt want a light to just die on you after a drop, especially if you're out camping.

    I'm afraid i don't know much about the light you're referring to, perhaps if you could post some pictures or (as stated above) a link to the light, that would be much more helpful. i tried googling but couldnt find anything at all relevant on either "zhong sheng zs20rba3" or "zs20rba3" except that it did lead me to pics of an LED star but that was it.

    In the meantime, i strongly recommend you go to 4sevens and get yourself a Fenix E01 sa a backup light, this is a small, tough as nails (trust me i have tested it, dropped, thrown, submerged) and long runtime (10hrs) backup light that runs on 1xAAA. It's $15 too but it comes with free shipping and a discount if you use the code "CPF8" when checking out.

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    I happened to pick this up at the Rose Bowl flea market. It was good timing, meaning to get something to replace my old LED flashlight that was a POS but (but still works). The reason I like LED is that I don't worry about batteries. My crappy, crappy LED flashlight has a couple AAA and never needed replacement.

    I've seen that Fenix light. It's not as bright at all!

    This generic one will be fine, it's really bright and has rubber seals. Just curious if anyone knew the stats on it.



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    Closest thing I found was this:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TACTICAL-SWA...QQcmdZViewItem

    which claims 70+ lumens, I'm guessing like all advertisements it's a bit overstated.

    I could've sworn I passed by swarms of these while in the street markets of Hong Kong, but knowing how crappy some of the lights can be, and being the poor, stingy student I am, I decided to pay a little bit more for an Ultrafire or a Romisen (though I did take the plunge for a Tank007 too after checking them out in person) rather than have a cheap light break.

    It seems the LED itself is made by ZhongSheng, since there's a lighting company registered to that name, and it's printed on the circuit board itself.

    All in all, doesn't seem like a bad light, the LED seems to be native Chinese, though, and doesn't have the sort of quality reassurance we might expect from SSC, Lumileds, or Cree.

    You can try, at your own risk, to take it apart even further, by using a pair of needlenose pliers... since there are clearly holes for them on the head, to see how (or if) the circuitry is.
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    Having "Police" printed on the side of the flashlight, or being powered by multiple AAA's, or worse yet both combined, pretty much condemns a light to "junkdom" to begin with.

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    Eeeh... hard to say for sure just how good it really is. Multi-AAA carriers are a turn off for me. I'm willing to bet the LED has a Vf ~4.5 and the light is running DD off those 4AAA cells, which IMHO is not a good design.

    For ~$20-$25 I think your money would have been better spent on any of the XRE-Q5 Romisens from shiningbeam.com.

    Wow... google searching "ZhongShen ZS20HBA" brings up a lot of URLs. Its a very popular light/emitter in China, thats for sure.
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    its a sapphire LED... there's 6 dies under that flat substrate, hit it with 1.5V in total darkness and you'll see...made by Shenzen I think
    barely a one watter
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    Default Re: zhong sheng zs20rba3 - 5W flashlight

    the emitter isn't efficient at all, btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnforever View Post
    Closest thing I found was this:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-TACTICAL-SWA...QQcmdZViewItem

    which claims 70+ lumens, I'm guessing like all advertisements it's a bit overstated.

    You can try, at your own risk, to take it apart even further, by using a pair of needlenose pliers... since there are clearly holes for them on the head, to see how (or if) the circuitry is.
    That looks just like mine, or very close. Glad to see I paid a fair price at $15

    It does seem pretty bright. Went on a walk w/ the wife and it has a nice bright hotspot and decent throw. Don't know what 70 lumens is suppossed to look like but I don't think it's worth taking apart or anything.

    Is that actually a 5 Watt LED? I have seen a 1 Watt LED that seems to be a more substanial design http://www.oznium.com/1w-led but is the LED in this flashlight brighter? or is the oznium one more powerful?

    I had the flashlight on for about 15 min. and it didn't get warm so I don't think it's a powerful LED?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerLex View Post
    That looks just like mine, or very close. Glad to see I paid a fair price at $15

    It does seem pretty bright. Went on a walk w/ the wife and it has a nice bright hotspot and decent throw. Don't know what 70 lumens is suppossed to look like but I don't think it's worth taking apart or anything.

    Is that actually a 5 Watt LED? I have seen a 1 Watt LED that seems to be a more substanial design http://www.oznium.com/1w-led but is the LED in this flashlight brighter? or is the oznium one more powerful?

    I had the flashlight on for about 15 min. and it didn't get warm so I don't think it's a powerful LED?
    Your light is nowhere near 5W. That's just pure marketing BS. Any modern emitter driven at 1W would handily stomp it in brightness as well.

    Even at $15 it's a bit overpriced...

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    I think the Husky series of lights available from Home Depot are Zhong Sheng. Here's a look under the hood of one of their headlamps:




    It was $5 and while it isn't the best made light, its worth the money. Use what makes you happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerLex View Post
    That looks just like mine, or very close. Glad to see I paid a fair price at $15

    It does seem pretty bright. Went on a walk w/ the wife and it has a nice bright hotspot and decent throw. Don't know what 70 lumens is suppossed to look like but I don't think it's worth taking apart or anything.

    Is that actually a 5 Watt LED? I have seen a 1 Watt LED that seems to be a more substanial design http://www.oznium.com/1w-led but is the LED in this flashlight brighter? or is the oznium one more powerful?

    I had the flashlight on for about 15 min. and it didn't get warm so I don't think it's a powerful LED?
    If you like it thats all that matters, enjoy it

    Looks like it comes apart easily, might make a serviceable DIY mod host
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    That's funny! I got that headlight thrown in with my flashlight. (except it was a generic brand)
    I was happy because I needed one more for the wife so it was a good shopping day.


    thanks marduke, it gives me some idea of how powerful that Oznium 1W unit is. I might order some to play with

    kramer5150,
    yes it unscrews easily and seems like a good candidate for adding something else. I'm not savvy with this stuff so i'll leave it to the experts
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    Default Re: zhong sheng zs20rba3 - 5W flashlight

    Maybe "5W" doesn't stand for "Five Watt" Maybe it's just model #5W, meant only to deceive a potential buyer. And having the word "Police" printed on it, what a joke! I'd like to see a cop who would seriously depend on a light like that. There's no way I could take a light like that seriously. Now maybe for just lighting up the area under the bed to find stray socks or something, that's different. I still wouldn't waste my money on it if I saw it for sale somewhere though.

    And couldn't they come up with a better name, like MegaFire, or PoliceFire or something? There aren't enough xxxFire lights!
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    Default Re: zhong sheng zs20rba3 - 5W flashlight

    By "modern emitter" I mean by modern, reputable brands such as Cree and SSC and such. Not generic brands who are still a generation behind.

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    Racerlex,
    I don't want you to spend any more money on flashlights that aren't worth your while.
    Please, try the cpf market place:

    http://www.cpfmarketplace.com/mp/sho...d.php?t=199988

    (that person is selling two great lights. The quark is fantastic)

    Look, you're gonna spend more money until you hit on lights that work well. We're trying to save you from buying ones just to throw out again.

    http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/t...h-N3-WW/Detail
    (warm tint)

    http://www.shiningbeam.com/servlet/t...h-C6-II/Detail
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    Think about it, oK?
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    For a very 1st light, its probably decent enough for you, i know that my 9 LED shower head was (to me) a great light then but when i discovered CPF, i realised that there is a whole world of options out there and having been hanging around, around 50 orders to DX later, one truth emerges:

    you get what you pay for

    case in point: recently purchased a Nitecore EX10 GD+ from a fellow CPF-er for $55 (came with a cell, charger and clip), broke the lens recently and emailed nitecore, they replied within 4 hours and they're sending me a new lens for free
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    The ZhongSheng emitters are a very elegant design. Look at one closely - you'll see the emitter is deposited on / bonded to the star as a thin film, rather than soldered to one as a heatsink. Very elegant, and evidently cheap to make. At the dealer-we-may-not-name, they are known as the "Generic LED emitter".

    And they work well, too.

    Up to a point.

    I had a ZhongSheng ZS20HBA in a similar sort of side-clicky torch (from the dealer-we-dare-not-name), and decided to swap the 3AA battery carrier for a LiCo battery (I used a short 18650, from memory).

    The result? Bright as a Cree for about half an hour, and then it died. The extra voltage, lower internal resistance and less resistance from six less internal contacts meant just too much voltage hit the emitter.

    Lesson learned - the ZS emitters do not tolerate ANY overdrive.

    If you're going to stay with this emitter, then stick strictly with the intended batteries. Zinc-Carbon, Zinc-Chloride, NiCad or NiMH AAA only. No alkalines and no lithium. THe emitter is strictly a 1W job, so wants current down around the 300mA-ish level.

    (Oh, my torch lives on, of course. A Cree Q5 bolted straight in, and DOES stand up to the lithium voltage, being a 3W design.)

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    The "W" definitely does not stand for watts, although it's probably a marketing ploy. Over here, there are 2 roadside stalls near my office which sell a TON of these police flashlights (got a couple at home, including a 3W, 8W, 20W.. and saw a 80W at the stall). Some of them have extras like a compass on the back, or built-in laser pointer. They cost between $2-$10 over here in Malaysia, and they will give you [blue-ish] light, but they will probably break. (I bought 7 of them - and right now only 4 are still working)

    Btw, one of them actually runs on 1AA. Comparing it to my Quark AA moonmode, it's probably around 0.05 lumens =) Actually - it's a good night time ultra-low light!

    However, all flashlights are still fun to play around with, and any light is better than none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoongern View Post
    and any light is better than none.
    as long as it works when we need it to
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperloop View Post
    For a very 1st light, its probably decent enough for you, i know that my 9 LED shower head was (to me) a great light then but when i discovered CPF, i realised that there is a whole world of options out there and having been hanging around, around 50 orders to DX later, one truth emerges:

    you get what you pay for

    case in point: recently purchased a Nitecore EX10 GD+ from a fellow CPF-er for $55 (came with a cell, charger and clip), broke the lens recently and emailed nitecore, they replied within 4 hours and they're sending me a new lens for free
    That's what I'm thinking. For camping and stuff I would advise you bring something that is more reliable, even a MagLED or a Fenix E01 so you'd have some light in case your light goes out. But really, for the vast majority of consumers, the only time a flashlight is used is if the power goes out (once every 3-5 years at night maybe) or for finding something dropped somewhere, so having one of these lights is not a bad thing.

    TBH though for $15 bucks I would've spent my money on something solid from Romisen, or if high power isnt needed a entry level Inova, LifeGear or Energizer, or Husky and Task force, something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ypsifly View Post
    I think the Husky series of lights available from Home Depot are Zhong Sheng. Here's a look under the hood of one of their headlamps:




    It was $5 and while it isn't the best made light, its worth the money. Use what makes you happy.
    there has been 1 Watt LEDs from Ningbo Zhaoyang Opto that looks like this, only the stars actually a star, not a waffle

    I find it kinda odd that the only information regarding zhong sheng is a bio-technology firm... biotech LEDs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lctorana View Post
    The result? Bright as a Cree for about half an hour, and then it died. The extra voltage, lower internal resistance and less resistance from six less internal contacts meant just too much voltage hit the emitter.
    I'm thinking the 5W rating of the light may actually be correct because this led was dang inefficient.
    I wonder how many amps that thing sucked up?

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    isnt it a "Lichao Police"?

    it was my gateway flashlight, i bought one, had never seen a led light that bright before on a flashlight, got curious about it, started googling and looking for it, and then arrived at CPF...

    like i stated in a previous post, i think its purpose was to show me the way here.

    Shortly after, the click failed, i fixed it a couple of times but it was already unreliable; during a power failure, i had to hit it hard to make it make contact (really needed it to show a group walk down a stair, so no time to mess around with it, much less in the dark)

    Ictorana said it, the light is very unreliable, you probably really like it because of the reason i liked it too, i havent been exposed to better lights, but now i wouldnt want to get caught in a situation of need with that light.

    my advice: if you are willing to spend a little more, get a Fenix L1T current version, its what i did, and man that little 1xAA light beat the crap out of the Lichao, by a LOT.

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    Default Re: zhong sheng zs20rba3 - 5W flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by manoloco View Post
    LCTorana said it, the light is very unreliable
    Please don't misquote me. I never said the light is unreliable. I have it on my desk as I type this, and it is in perfect working order, and has NEVER let me down. I burned out the emitter - that was my own fault, and then swapped it for a Cree. Not the fault of the light.

    What I did say was that the ZhongSheng ZS20HBA cannot stand being overdriven. And if you have one, and intend to keep it working, you must use the OEM battery arrangement.

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    Oops, sorry i confused my own experience with your experimentation with the light.

    got a bit carried away while commenting i guess

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    The ZhongSheng was my very first LED torch, other than a couple of keyring types that use the small button cells ... There are no "Police" or other markings on the outside of my ZhongSheng ... Only when the head is removed do you see the ZhongSheng ZS20HBA printing.

    The body is different to the one on this post, though it still uses 3 X AAA batteries.

    It is 109mm long, the body is 27mm wide and the head is 32.5mm at its widest ... It is a single mode and has a tail clickie switch and a wrist strap ... It is well made with a black finish ... The threads are not square-cut and the plain reflector and lens are plastic, but this is only to be expected in a cheap torch ...The head has an O-ring fitted but the tail-cap doesn't, so it won't be water resistant ... For where it will be used, this is no problem.

    It was very cheap (off Ebay), over a year ago and has been in the car glove compartment ever since ... I realised a week ago that I hadn't looked at the three AAA batteries so brought it into the house ... It was working OK but I removed the old (made in China) alkaline batteries and now it uses Hybrio AAAs and is working well ... I think that, for my Wife or any other non-torch person, it would make the ideal little kitchen/bedroom LED torch ... My Wife will probably only use it during a power cut to find the candles and matches ... I think that it was only about three or four pounds with batteries (including postage), so at that price it is excellent value.

    I realise that (apparently) most of the very cheap torches are not too drop-proof, but in all my 72 years, I have never dropped a torch ... OK, I realise that I never actually had a torch when I was a child, except for my bike lights ... Surely dropping a bulb-type torch would be more prone to possible filament damage than dropping a cheap LED torch.

    Anyway, it is cheap and to some readers it is nasty, but it does its job perfectly well ... That is all you can ask of a torch ... However, in "torchaholic" company it really can't be classed as the "male jewelry" of a big named expensive torch.

    If my life depended on having a 100%, perfectly reliable and water resistant torch, then my choice might well be different ... Naturally a back-up torch of fairly similar specifications would also be essential.

    However, as a retired (old age pensioner) person with a torch in every room in the house, I don't need such exotic torches ... That doesn't mean that I wouldn't like some top level torches, it means that I am willing to compromise and buy lesser known names ... This doesn't necessarily mean less reliability, but if one of my torches proves to be unreliable, I will buy another torch to replace it.

    Please bear in mind that some people have financial constraints on their expenditure ..... or a Wife .... or both.
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    Sometimes, I think we forget the old days when we used to use lowly flashlights (unless you were a flashaholic from birth - different matter). Just the other day, my family was driving along and there was a police roadblock (in Malaysia) - and when going past, I saw a couple of them using flashlights, I would bet they were these "Police" flashlights (Or even worse!). In fact, one was using a big yellow plastic multiple 5mm LED showerlight, which was so dim I can't imagine how he was performing the checks. Man, I was really tempted to turn on my Quark AA / Seraph TL-3....

    But whatever it is, looks like a lot of people are using these cheap lights out there.

    Btw, the 1AA Police 5W light I mentioned earlier in this thread - just stopped working this past weekend. Oh well, it was a good night-time light while it lasted!
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    Default Re: zhong sheng zs20rba3 - 5W flashlight

    I found the same torch as I bought on Ebay.

    It is item number 180384583752 ... Seller is Kowloontown ... Price is £4 including postage.

    It's a nice little torch for a non-flashaholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by march.brown View Post
    I found the same torch as I bought on Ebay.

    It is item number 180384583752 ... Seller is Kowloontown ... Price is £4 including postage.

    It's a nice little torch for a non-flashaholic.

    Sorry to reply here but i am new here and for some reason i cant write a different post dont know why anyway.
    I have the police rx 10watts but with the same emitter number 4aaa batterys. Comparing it to my fenix tk30 it is around 70-80 lumens in dark areas you can light up for around 30 meters . This was my first led light and i still think its preatty good i paid 330 Philippine peso its around $7 Us dollars. I used it many times i never had problem with it i think i t is good a light i droped it few times still nothing happened.
    The fron glass scratches as it is cheap light overall the paint is allright button is good the rubber broke on it but button still working. The battery compartmant is cheap comes apart very easy. Mine was damaged to to battery leakage cuz my wifes little brother used it for sometime. Other then that its still good.At the emmiter there are small wires exposed going from 1 side to the other and if you tighten the head too much it actualy cuts the wires.The beam has a full rings but for 7 bucks its allrigh overall i like this light.

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