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    Default Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    Is it technologically even possible?

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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    They already do; the Electrolumens KONG-12 puts out over 10,000 lumens.

    If you mean from a single emitter/bulb, they already do that too - the SST-90 puts out more lumens than many HIDs.

    It's true that if you are talking single emitter/bulb, the brightest HIDs are still a lot brighter - and LED technology will need to improve considerably to shed the heat needed for a single LED emitter to put out as much - so probably the HIDs will have the upper hand there for a while. But with improvements in heat management, I can certainly see LEDs eventually surpassing HIDs.
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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    in 10 years im sure there will be a single AA 'primary' light that can do 5000 lumens for 2 hours.

    and in 20 year we will all have double that output fitted to our foreheads at birth, and run it of our own bodies naturally generated electricity.

    20 years after that the sun will implode and flashlights is all there will be for light and warmth.

    stock up
    If and when the the big dookie hits the fan, and global chaos ensues, i want a couple of quality AA lights within reach.

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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    >in 10 years im sure there will be a single AA 'primary' light that can do 5000 lumens for 2 hours.

    Theoretical maximum would be 5,000 lumens for ~30 mins on a AA.

    I wouldn't expect anything beyond 4 or 500 lumens tho for 1 hour.

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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    Quote Originally Posted by sparkysko View Post
    >in 10 years im sure there will be a single AA 'primary' light that can do 5000 lumens for 2 hours.
    In 10 years we will have night vision eye inplants, no flashlight will be needed.

    About the main question, i think it is subjetive. If they made a 40-die emitter, or a super large singledie led, it would be able to generate more lumens than a hid bulb. But they can also make a giant hid bulb and power source as well.


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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    It's the Surface Brightness what really makes HID stand out from other light sources, not just total output.

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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    I am not an expert, but high power HID's are just north of 100 lumens per watt. LED emitters are now in the range of 120 lumens per watt. So the two technologies have close efficacy.

    For absolute lumens, HID is probably more reliable at this time but as LED efficacy improves the gap will shrink. Personally, I now lean towards HID for 1,500+ lumens.

    Now I have to go start spending on HID lights. Time to start saving.

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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    Quote Originally Posted by sparkysko View Post

    Theoretical maximum would be 5,000 lumens for ~30 mins on a AA.

    I wouldn't expect anything beyond 4 or 500 lumens tho for 1 hour.
    wow, id take either of those
    If and when the the big dookie hits the fan, and global chaos ensues, i want a couple of quality AA lights within reach.

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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    Quote Originally Posted by waddup View Post
    in 10 years im sure there will be a single AA 'primary' light that can do 5000 lumens for 2 hours.
    nah... I'd think chemical energy, even if 100% efficiently converted to light would not be super bright like that.

    unless you're talking about nuclear AAs

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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    Quote Originally Posted by waddup View Post
    in 10 years im sure there will be a single AA 'primary' light that can do 5000 lumens for 2 hours.

    and in 20 year we will all have double that output fitted to our foreheads at birth, and run it of our own bodies naturally generated electricity.

    20 years after that the sun will implode and flashlights is all there will be for light and warmth.

    stock up
    In 20 years I will probably still be on this stinkin website looking for the next best Led.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    Is it technologically even possible?

    They are!

    As of now take a 10W HID and a 10W LED = LED wins
    And things only gets worse for the HID when power diminishes.

    Because you did not state what way then my answer is correct
    Dont go spoiling a perfectly good thread with too many facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dane View Post
    They are!

    As of now take a 10W HID and a 10W LED = LED wins
    And things only gets worse for the HID when power diminishes.

    Because you did not state what way then my answer is correct
    Cheater!
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    Default Re: Will LED Flashlights Ever Produce More Output than HID's

    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    Cheater!
    I dont make the rules, i just bend them
    Dont go spoiling a perfectly good thread with too many facts.
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