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    Haven't checked in for a while but with Christmas coming, I naturally needed to get myself some presents for being good all year !!

    After scanning through the Forum ...... am I correct in thinking the new Quarks have stolen the Gold Medal in this price range ??
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    in my opinion...yes...but everyone has their own opinions, i think quark's dedication to the newest LEDs and latest and greatest UIs has put them in the lead. He watches these fora like a hawk and responds to trends very well ie: the titanium quarks at a reasonable price, everyone wanted the new XPG and everyone has always loved titanium but most couldn't afford it...Quark remedied both. Again, many will disagree, but i love them!
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    They appear to be very good lights. However, I just bought 3 Nitecores instead of the Quark. For me it all came down to the clip. The Nitecore's put the clip on the end....where it belongs. I also prefer the piston design and the UI. The Tactical Quark UI seems like it might be superior, but then, no candle mode. If they ever change things up a bit I'll probably get one.
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    I bought a Quark 123 tactical, not knowing that I could only quickly access two levels of brightness quickly. I gave it away since having only two modes was not terribly impressive for me.

    I just bought 3 nitecore lights last month and will be purchasing one more next weekend. The UI is awesome on these lights. What I am spending my money on should say everything.

    Quarks are very good quality lights and I will own another one soon. Probably a regular 123. Maybe I will wait for a new Led to pull the trigger.

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    Fenix maybe, NiteCore not so much. I think their offerings are much different from the 4sevens line, especially with their EZ and PD series. I don't think 4sevens would step into that territory, but we can only hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfectionist View Post
    Haven't checked in for a while but with Christmas coming, I naturally needed to get myself some presents for being good all year !!

    After scanning through the Forum ...... am I correct in thinking the new Quarks have stolen the Gold Medal in this price range ??
    Indeed the Quarks are a very good deal for the money since they include a nice holster, lanyard, finger grip AND clip. But the UI with the loosening and tightening of the bezel can be a problem in dirty environments (so I have heard). The clip position is not the best in my opinion (and Brasso's), the Nitecore D10 for instance has a much better clip placement and design.

    Pwned? NO but some thunder was stolen from Fenix and Nitecore. I hope Nitecore fires back with some new UI and XPG lights soon. Although the new SP's from nitecore has a pretty good UI already. I like my good ole variable brightness D10 just fine.


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    I own a Nitecore D10, Fenix L1D/L2D Q5 and now a Quark AA2 Turbo and have some thoughts.

    As always, it depends on what you like and your needs. To me, my EDC remains the D10 because I LOVE the piston drive! It is also smaller than the Quark AA so that has to gain a point or two.

    I use a L1D RB100 and L2D Q5 as bicycle lights. Taking note of selfbuilt's reviews of both lights, the Fenix L2D or L20 has a longer runtime than the Quarks at about the same brightness. The Quark does look better as Fenix tried modern day fugly when doing the L2D series. If runtime is important to you, the L20 will run longer on max output but that target is moving. I'm interested in what Fenix does with the XP-G to make it different from the Quark (I'll bet you the Quark and Fenix have the same parents!)

    I've had my Quark AA2 Turbo for 22 hours now and have some thoughts. A very tough, heavy duty and bright 2AA light with better throw than the L2D due to the large reflector. The smooth reflector can throw but it does add a little "donut" ish part to the beam. Not a big deal for me since it is used for cycling outdoors, indoors it might bother you more. The tactical UI with head tight/loose for the two modes you pre-program is nice. I run max/medium on mine and it works well. The thing is larger and does have some weight to it. The manual says 3.6 ounces (102.2 grams) with the L2D Q5 being 2.1 ounces (60.7 grams)

    Fenix better come out with their XP-Gs quickly to counter Quark, that is the battle ground. Nitecore has the piston drive and I will get an XP-G version to replace my ringier Q5 XR-E light. When you look inside the head of the Nitecore and then look at the Fenix/Quark, I just like the stronger/thicker brass contacts of the Nitecore better.

    Quark might be ahead of Fenix right now but Nitecore is a different animal. The D10 and EZAA are in their own class but David will be introducing more lights for the next month.

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    I don't like being limited to 2 or 3 levels of brightness.

    I reload, and before seating the bullets, you need to do a visual inspection inside the casings to make sure they all have powder and the same amount. I use my EX 10 and double click it up to the highest level. Now there is a terrible glare, so I just ramp down until the glare disappears, and now it is at the perfect level.

    I think the UI has me spoiled.

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    4Sevens Quark AAW build quality is not good as Fenix LD10.
    Fenix LD10 does not support 14500 Li-ion and there is no low low.

    I have both and I must say that both have they moments.

    Because of the (unreliable)Nitecore piston drive I haven't even considered it.

    I am still looking for THE 1xAA flashlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    I don't like being limited to 2 or 3 levels of brightness.

    I reload, and before seating the bullets, you need to do a visual inspection inside the casings to make sure they all have powder and the same amount. I use my EX 10 and double click it up to the highest level. Now there is a terrible glare, so I just ramp down until the glare disappears, and now it is at the perfect level.

    I think the UI has me spoiled.
    OMG, you use VERY accurate scale for powder, not a flashlight for gods sake.
    You should never ever say something like that, someone might actually use that method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egsise View Post
    OMG, you use VERY accurate scale for powder, not a flashlight for gods sake.
    You should never ever say something like that, someone might actually use that method.
    It is a double check after weighing and or measuring the charges to make sure all of the cases are charged and none have been double charged.

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    Who do you think makes Quarks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egsise View Post
    OMG, you use VERY accurate scale for powder, not a flashlight for gods sake.
    You should never ever say something like that, someone might actually use that method.

    Seriously. It drives me nuts when someone automatically assumes someone is an idiot. Especially when they don't know what they are talking about.

    Visual inspection is a great way to check for double charged cases. Most powders take up a lot of room in the case. A double charge would stand out easily. That is what he is looking for. Not to check the charge weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batmanacw View Post
    Seriously. It drives me nuts when someone automatically assumes someone is an idiot. Especially when they don't know what they are talking about.

    Visual inspection is a great way to check for double charged cases. Most powders take up a lot of room in the case. A double charge would stand out easily. That is what he is looking for. Not to check the charge weight.
    Sorry I did'nt know that it would be possible to double charge, if I double charge my cases they get filled to the top.
    Perhaps it would be wiser to use faster or slower powder to fill the case almost full?
    I mean, almost full cases are far more accurate and reliable than those that are filled only half way or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan FO View Post
    Who do you think makes Quarks?
    David has already stated that they aren't made by Fenix, if that's what you were hinting at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajay View Post
    Indeed the Quarks are a very good deal for the money since they include a nice holster, lanyard, finger grip AND clip. But the UI with the loosening and tightening of the bezel can be a problem in dirty environments (so I have heard). The clip position is not the best in my opinion (and Brasso's), the Nitecore D10 for instance has a much better clip placement and design.

    • Changing modes by turning the head is a PITA, so the regular is the best to get but who wants a reverse clicky?
    • The clip is solid but not close enough to the end of the body
    • The parts included are great
    • The price is great
    • The diameter is slimmer than my Ra so it gets carried more.
    I got nothing else to say...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egsise View Post
    Sorry I did'nt know that it would be possible to double charge, if I double charge my cases they get filled to the top.
    Perhaps it would be wiser to use faster or slower powder to fill the case almost full?
    I mean, almost full cases are far more accurate and reliable than those that are filled only half way or less.
    The bulk of the powder does not have much to do with the burn rate or characteristics. I use varget for my .223 with 68 or 75 grn OTM bullets and it nearly fills the case, but there are lots of variations.

    I visually inspect for missed charges and obvious problems as well.

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    I'm selling a Ti Quark off in favor of keeping my D10 as my EDC light. So in my case, no.
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    Quark sure got some customers from Fenix & Nitecore but at least Nitecore is actually quite different, so it all depend on your needs and preference.
    The whole Quark Lego design is good for people like to play and switch between different configurations, batteries, and that make the Quark a little cheaper. They have latest LED, lots of accessories, and some people like the "lower low".
    But they are not my favorite, because I want my flashlight solely in AA batteries, while Quark's shared head make the Quark AA not very good looking. And the driver came from fenix so have the preflash. Some people said that's for efficiency to avoid parasite drain, and you can put it on pants before you turn it on, but I'll never make comprise like that if I have better alternatives.
    Besides, none of the regular or tactical UI appeals me. I don't want to scroll several modes before I reach the mode I want, and even you can choose any mode you want in 2 presets, how can that 2 preset enough? You always ends up reprogramming. It's same with Jetbeam IBS. It's fun that you can program any modes you want and you have more modes than tactical Quark. But still, imagine you need some mode you didn't program before, you still need to reprogram, and I don't think that is a easy and quick job in a hurry.
    So far, I think Nitecore D10 SP have a very good UI, you have memorized brightness, you have SOS/strobe tucked away and immediately accessible AT THE SAME TIME. Zebralight H501 have a good UI too, you can get certain mode in one action.
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    What "unreliable" of piston drive are you referring to? I think the design do need lots of factor to be right to work, so they not very fail safe, but with proper care, a working unit in normal environment should be fine. For me, the smooth feel of operating worth the price.

    Maybe your NEXT AA could be one of the new Zebralight? I'm waiting for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Egsise View Post
    4Sevens Quark AAW build quality is not good as Fenix LD10.
    Fenix LD10 does not support 14500 Li-ion and there is no low low.

    I have both and I must say that both have they moments.

    Because of the (unreliable)Nitecore piston drive I haven't even considered it.

    I am still looking for THE 1xAA flashlight.
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    I own a number of Fenixes, and use them a ton. I also own a Nitecore EX10, and it get's EDCd quite often. I got a Quark AA for a friend as a going away gift, and played with it for a few days before I gave it away. I definitely preferred my Fenixes and Nitecore.

    The only thing I liked better about the Quark was the super low low. Otherwise, there was a few things that did not impress me. I felt like the machining was cheaper-I like the heavy duty feel of Fenixes bodies compared to the Quark, which seemed to have thinner sidewalls. I didn't like that the clip grinds against the head when you take the head off. I didn't care for how stiff the head was to turn, made it very difficult to change from high to low modes. (And yes, I worked it quite a bit, cleaned and relubed the threads, and it didn't make much difference.) And the clicky also seemed flakey when changing modes; it didn't always change with the soft clicks very well, or flickered when changing.

    Just little things like that that I thought would have been solved based on all the hype. My thoughts: take 'em or leave 'em. I'm sure someone will come along and say that all those things are nonsense, but that's how I felt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dracodoc View Post
    What "unreliable" of piston drive are you referring to? I think the design do need lots of factor to be right to work, so they not very fail safe, but with proper care, a working unit in normal environment should be fine. For me, the smooth feel of operating worth the price.

    Maybe your NEXT AA could be one of the new Zebralight? I'm waiting for them.
    Nitecore D10 and D20, try search, I did and there seemed to be much more problems than with Fenix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batmanacw View Post
    The bulk of the powder does not have much to do with the burn rate or characteristics. I use varget for my .223 with 68 or 75 grn OTM bullets and it nearly fills the case, but there are lots of variations.

    I visually inspect for missed charges and obvious problems as well.
    Seriously. It drives me nuts when someone automatically assumes someone is an idiot. Especially when they don't know what they are talking about.
    +1 to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egsise View Post
    Nitecore D10 and D20, try search, I did and there seemed to be much more problems than with Fenix.
    When I first got my D10 and D20, they seemed kinda gummy (and this was at 70-80 °F). There was a lot of goopy lube on the outside of the pistons. So I cleaned the pistons and bores thoroughly and applied a reasonable amount of lube. Smooth as silk and totally reliable. D20 is serving as the "kitchen drawer" light, while the D10 is my EDC -- I really need another one or two.

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    Default Re: Has Quark "pwned" Fenix & NiteCore ?!

    Well . . . .


    Now i know what

    pwned

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    Close, but not yet.

    Today I received my quark ti AA, and it was dead out the box. I had to clean all the threads, polish the clicky contacts and disarm everything like 5 times before I got it worked. Then I accidentally dropped it to the ground and the modes stopped working. Had to recheck the switch to fix it. I don't know about the aluminium Quark, but as for the titatium version, it leaves a lot to be desired.

    I have 6 Fenix flashlight and never had any problem with them. About nitecore vs quark, I only own one nitecore and trust me it is the highest quality flashlight in my collection.

    Yes quarks are brighter, but they have to work correctly in the first place.


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    I've used a D10R2 as my EDC light for most of this year, and got one of the neutral white Quark AA Standards. I tried the Quark for a few days, and went back to the D10... I like the moonlight mode and the color tint of the Quark, but the D10 was just overall a better light for me. I'm trying to decide if I should just sell the Quark or get a 2AA body tube for it and see how it does against my Eagletacs in that form factor.
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    Default Re: Has Quark "pwned" Fenix & NiteCore ?!

    Pwned? Definitely not for ME.

    I still prefer deep pocket carry clip, Piston Drive, one-handed operation and the absence of strobe as part of the main UI.

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    I own 2 Quarks and I am waiting on my Ti one to come.

    I don't think I will need anymore Quarks now, but I can see myself buying more fenix in the future.

    So it is a no for me.

    Maybe if you refer to lights made by 4Sevens the story may be different.
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    I would say that technically speaking, the Quarks are ahead, but i have 5 Nitecores and no quarks, why? UI. I absolutely cannot stand soft-press UIs, hence my love for the D10/D20 range.

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