Aspheric beamshots. Tiablo vs DBS

kengps · Jun 13, 2010

I've heard the common info on CPF about the DBS being the better Aspheric. Just not so. The Tiablo has a better lens than the DBS Aspheric. Also compare the DBS to what the Tiablo lens is capable of with an equal LED. I actually get 1.400-1.405A at the tailcap with my Cheap 1.4A $1.60 drivers.

Here are Tiablo A9-Q5, DBS 1.2A-R2 (1SM), and Tiablo 1.4A-R2 mod.

The DBS is in between the two Tiablo's. (Not visble)

Here are some shots showing what the Tiablo can do if it had a newer R2 and was driven as hard as the DBS.

Q5 left, R2 right.

heng84 · Jun 13, 2010

bro you mod yourself the tiablo?? and where are you from.. very nice.. i also have tiablo a9 with colli but i screwed it up 2days back.. the dome of the emitter drop off and i clean the remain silicon but accidentally brushed the wire that connect to that q5 led and its dead.. can u teach me how to disassemble the emitter from the head module? sorry im still quite new and im know its so stupid to clean it damn..

and excuse me for my poor english thanks

kengps · Jun 13, 2010

The LED Emitter is epoxied to the module. You'll need a small screw-driver and a hammer to remove it. Then you'll have to buy a new LED and re-epoxy, and solder the wires back on. It's not easy. Changing the Driver is major surgery.

troller_cpf · Jun 13, 2010

heng84 said:
bro you mod yourself the tiablo?? and where are you from.. very nice.. i also have tiablo a9 with colli but i screwed it up 2days back.. the dome of the emitter drop off and i clean the remain silicon but accidentally brushed the wire that connect to that q5 led and its dead.. can u teach me how to disassemble the emitter from the head module? sorry im still quite new and im know its so stupid to clean it damn.. and excuse me for my poor english thanks

The SAME EXACT thing happended to me... lol

jwyj · Jun 14, 2010

here's mine,

R2 , R4(R5?) , SST-50 (Neutral) , SST- 50 , MC-E

YourTime · Jun 14, 2010

where did u get R4(R5?)

I want to change to led on mine

crossliner67 · Jun 14, 2010

jwyj said:
here's mine,

R2 , R4(R5?) , SST-50 (Neutral) , SST- 50 , MC-E

Wow, looks like i'm in a cathedral!

crossliner67 · Jun 14, 2010

kengps said:
I've heard the common info on CPF about the DBS being the better Aspheric. Just not so. The Tiablo has a better lens than the DBS Aspheric. Also compare the DBS to what the Tiablo lens is capable of with an equal LED. I actually get 1.400-1.405A at the tailcap with my Cheap 1.4A $1.60 drivers.

Here are Tiablo A9-Q5, DBS 1.2A-R2 (1SM), and Tiablo 1.4A-R2 mod.

The DBS is in between the two Tiablo's. (Not visble)

Here are some shots showing what the Tiablo can do if it had a newer R2 and was driven as hard as the DBS.

Q5 left, R2 right.

:twothumbs. How far does your R2-equipped A9 throw, Kngps? I have an A9 w/ collimator coming from Canada. They are quite a luxury here in the Philippines, yessuh! Your lollipop head Lumapower looks great too!

kengps · Jun 14, 2010

Everybody has a different idea as to what "Throw" is. But I can shine my light on "Dark Gray" colored houses 650 meters and see them get brighter. I haven't tried anything farthur away than that.

jirik_cz · Jun 14, 2010

jwyj said:
....

Very nice. How are you satisfied with XP-G? Would you recommend this mod?

Vinz · Jun 15, 2010

Good work kengps! Would it be possible to check, if the Tiablo lens fits the Deree head?:kiss:

kengps · Jun 16, 2010

The Tiablo lens is about 1mm smaller diameter. But the focal length is very different. I'm sure you could never focus it in a Dereelight head.

Painful Chafe · Jun 16, 2010

kengps said:
Q5 left, R2 right.

Wow. You must get a lux reading of that R2. It looks like it at least doubles the Q5 output. If my memory serves me correctly, the Q5 outputs 40k+ lux. I would love to get a A9 sized light with 70-80k lux. How long and hard is this mod to do on the A9?

jirik_cz · Jun 16, 2010

The Q5 version has 65-70k with aspherical head.

kengps · Jun 16, 2010

My meter shows 59,600 lux with Q5, and 95,000 with R2 1.4A. The same light does 39,000 lux with reflector. The Q5 does 24,925 lux. It puts it over the Jet-Beam RRT-1 for throw (34,900). A lot lighter and smaller, easier to carry in your pocket than an RRT-1 too.
It is difficult to do. The Tiablo's have totally different driver sizes than other lights. I had to put it on my lathe, and bore everything out of the inside, then install a driver on a standard brass pil, then mount that into the cavity of the old module space. I put a spring onto the driver to contact the positive terminal, then potted the whole thing with silicone. I just bought another Tiablo A9, and I'm gonna build one with a copper heat-sink and drive it a little harder still. I want 100K Dang-it! Probably going to sell this one.

red02 · Jun 16, 2010

kengps said:
My meter shows 59,600 lux with Q5, and 95,000 with R2 1.4A. The same light does 39,000 lux with reflector. The Q5 does 24,925 lux. It puts it over the Jet-Beam RRT-1 for throw (34,900). A lot lighter and smaller, easier to carry in your pocket than an RRT-1 too.
It is difficult to do. The Tiablo's have totally different driver sizes than other lights. I had to put it on my lathe, and bore everything out of the inside, then install a driver on a standard brass pil, then mount that into the cavity of the old module space. I put a spring onto the driver to contact the positive terminal, then potted the whole thing with silicone. I just bought another Tiablo A9, and I'm gonna build one with a copper heat-sink and drive it a little harder still. I want 100K Dang-it! Probably going to sell this one.

Its likely that the light itself is 100k lux in reality and its the meter thats at fault. The distance could be measured better and the lens of the meter might be just a little dirty. The specific color of the LED might not be what the meter was calibrated for. It might just be that the error % of the meter is at fault.

Painful Chafe · Jun 16, 2010

red02 said:
Its likely that the light itself is 100k lux in reality and its the meter thats at fault. The distance could be measured better and the lens of the meter might be just a little dirty. The specific color of the LED might not be what the meter was calibrated for. It might just be that the error % of the meter is at fault.

I agree. If that R2 isn't doing 100k+ based on the 60k with the Q5 I need to have my eyes checked. I can't see how the R2's wouldn't have twice the lux based on the picture. Great job.

kengps · Jun 16, 2010

The biggest error source I have is tint changes. But it seems to be pretty close, from what I've seen compared to other good meters. I have measured the distance very well, and use 10 Meters for my testing, so a few inches isn't going to affect the reading much. I am running the same power thru my R2 as the DEFT-FTP (1.4A) but he has much better heat-sinking on the DEFT. That's why I'm gonna build another with more heat-sinking. I have some really good R2's used in DEFT coming from Michael actually. I somehow ended up with some rare version of R2's that he wants for testing, So we traded for some of his best tint, bin etc, for mine. Can't wait.

Tatjanamagic · Aug 28, 2010

Dear Kengps,

What do U think about new Tiablo R5 special edition and how it throws with aspherical lenses?

lightforce2 · Aug 28, 2010

Hi guys,

Been a while since I've been on the forum & only just found this thread. I'm a real fan of both the Tiablo A9 and the Dereelight DBS. I own quite a few of each and most have been modded in some specific way.

I have an A9 aspheric with an R2 WH on a 17mm base being driven around 1.6 - 1.9 amps (direct drive). I dont have a light meter but I'd be very confident that it is easily exceding 100k lux on a fully charged 18650, plus I've had no thermal problems to date. Using an emmitter with a larger base helps with heat transfer.

Like Tatjanamagic, I'm also interested in the A9 R5 special edition, be great to overdrive one of these!!! Maybe I'll just put an R5 into a spare module I have

cheers

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