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    Default 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

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    Finally, they are done, they live up to their specs, and I am satisfied. With input from other enthusiasts, I’ve been working on a bike light with a better solution. Ostar powered, it is unique. You know my love of making brighter while saving power. So it has been in development for 1.5 years and I’m finally satisfied that this is what we need. They don’t have the most popular emitter but popularity wanes and the real stuff gets used. I field tested and this is the light that should but won’t be made. I have used plenty of emitters and can say that Osram makes the best products. This is the right light. You won’t see these outdated in a month.

    So we get 5 modes, 4 brightness levels and an emergency flash. In this case, I really think the flash is important. When you get in trouble on a bike, you really get in trouble and need all the help you can get. If it gets you spotted even in the daylight then it is a bargain. Of course 15W of real power means your night runs are brighter, safer, and you will be seen. Hey, it likes to show off. On a night run my neighbor wonder where in the hell all the light was coming from. I rolled up and smiled.

    The spec sheet say “only” 700 lumens minimum. Another light would be breathing hard to do that but not the Ostar. It is just idling. 700 lumens are not for me so do not believe the spec sheet. If I sold it that low output then I would be embarrassed. So I check output, test the battery, and make sure that out of the box it is going to work. I have had to send some back but they just did not meet my standards. Isn’t that the Japanese way? Well, it is my way.

    You get your choice of runtime and you have to think carefully. The longest runtime battery would be the first choice but it is the heaviest. For a long run, going as lightweight as possible is desired. But then running out of light early is not fun. For trips around town, the smallest battery is a nice choice. If you can’t decide, just go for the middle of the road. But you do get and need to make a choice.

    You want an Ostar bike light. When this is on, the others are really outclassed. Remember the Super Flashlight V? They are that bright. They are $395 now but I don’t know how long it will be before the price will eventually go up. So I sell what stock I have then I don’t know how the future will play out or even if more will be made. If you need a light, this is the one. They are unique.

    Only the serious apply. My PayPal e-mail is: arcmania (at) hotmail (dot) com A small percentage from this sale will goto CPF.

    ARC mania
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Please tell us how it differs from this item.
    Resistance is futile...

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Quote Originally Posted by DM51 View Post
    Please tell us how it differs from this item.

    Wow, freakishly similar

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Wow, OMG, Good catch DM51!
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Maybe the proto got stolen from a bar stool, along with his iPhone?

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Maybe he is selling them the same light and they get a volume discount?
    I might order one from them to save money
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Quote Originally Posted by griff View Post
    Maybe he is selling them the same light and they get a volume discount?
    I might order one from them to save money
    from what it looks like, it maybe the other way around

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    We are all flotsam and jetsam being carried by a relentless tide towards our ultimate fate!

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Quote Originally Posted by ptolemy View Post
    from what it looks like, it maybe the other way around

    Ya think?

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    I field tested and this is the light that should but won’t be made. ARC mania

    Is this really a Custom Light?

    James....
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy1970 View Post

    Is this really a Custom Light?

    James....
    It is about as custom as the X6 he was peddling not long ago, just using CPF to resell for a profit is how I see it.

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DM51 View Post
    Please tell us how it differs from this item.

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Seems like I got the royal treatment on this bike like as I found out 8 hours ago. To make a long story short whether it matters or not, I had a couple cases of 15 watt Ostars containing 60pcs each left over from previous light runs. Came across a friendly contractor in Taiwan who claimed could do assembly work and machine parts so that all I need to do is concentrate on selling the item. I decided to have a bike light made using the left over Ostars using this contractor. As most know I am a one man show, late to answer questions, late to update threads due to trouble shooting as well as doing circuit assembly work by hand. It really sucks. I paid a higher price for the bike lights than what they are being sold for on the link provided by DM51. Yes, its my fault, I should have thoroughly checked this person out before going through with the deal and purchasing the bike lights. Thank you DM51 for the link. My apologies to all the members who read this thread. Lately I've been tired and burned out, let my guard down. I learned a really good lesson from this whole ordeal which is to stick only with people you've known for a long time.

    Moderator: Please, close this thread. Thank you.

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    So I'm confused, you shipped some guy your left over Ostars to fabricate a light of your design? Does that mean the lights for sale on the link above are your design and he is reselling it to other distributors (after you spent 1.5 years working on it)? I'm trying to figure out what warranted the sale of this light in this forum in the first place, regardles of whether or not you closed this thread. Just looking for an honest answer, because it looks to me like you're just reselling another product that you didn't have much to do with. We all spend A LOT of money here and I'd like to believe I don't have to fear being duped into buying something for more than twice what it's worth...

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock!

    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    Seems like I got the royal treatment on this bike like as I found out 8 hours ago. To make a long story short whether it matters or not, I had a couple cases of 15 watt Ostars containing 60pcs each left over from previous light runs. Came across a friendly contractor in Taiwan who claimed could do assembly work and machine parts so that all I need to do is concentrate on selling the item. I decided to have a bike light made using the left over Ostars using this contractor. As most know I am a one man show, late to answer questions, late to update threads due to trouble shooting as well as doing circuit assembly work by hand. It really sucks. I paid a higher price for the bike lights than what they are being sold for on the link provided by DM51. Yes, its my fault, I should have thoroughly checked this person out before going through with the deal and purchasing the bike lights. Thank you DM51 for the link. My apologies to all the members who read this thread. Lately I've been tired and burned out, let my guard down. I learned a really good lesson from this whole ordeal which is to stick only with people you've known for a long time.

    Moderator: Please, close this thread. Thank you.

    ARC mania
    Why delete the complete details of the original offer??

    This does seem very suspect - what is all this talk about 'left over Ostars'??

    From the photos you originally posted, and deleted, the light looked cheapo right from the start anyway.
    This really is the wrong forum to be playing games in, sub standard Taiwanese lights with over a 100% markup over the retail price!!!!
    Nobody here is going to fall for that s^*t.

    James....
    Last edited by jimmy1970; 07-27-2010 at 12:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy1970 View Post
    Why delete the complete details of the original offer??

    This does seem very suspect - what is all this talk about 'left over Ostars'??

    From the photos you originally posted, and deleted, the light looked cheapo right from the start anyway.
    This really is the wrong forum to be playing games in, sub standard Taiwanese lights with over a 100% markup over the retail price!!!!
    Nobody here is going to fall for that s^*t.

    James....
    I believe that moderators should restore his original post and just lock this but keep it for future references.

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock! ENDED!

    Just found a cached version of another thread for the same light in which the OP deleted all the text in his post today:
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Couldn't find a cached version of the original text of this thread (yet).

    Sorry for perpetuating this, but seriously, this kind of stuff doesn't belong here and I'm kinda ticked off about it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    I am … late to update threads
    You were pretty quick to "update" this one, weren’t you?


    Your "update" was to remove the contents of post #1. In case you wish to refresh your memory about what it said, I anticipated this and kept a copy of it. Considerate of me, huh? There it is, once again in all its glory, as post #2.

    I even kept a copy of the photos you posted. To save members the trouble of opening the link, here is one of them:



    … and here, for comparison, the photo from the Alibaba site (no magic involved):



    They do seem very similar, don’t they?

    Anyway, you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    I’ve been working on a bike light with a better solution. Ostar powered, it is unique.
    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    I had a couple cases of 15 watt Ostars containing 60pcs each … came across a friendly contractor in Taiwan … I decided to have a bike light made using the left over Ostars using this contractor.
    So he’s a contractor, and you had these made by him. 2 cases of 60 Ostars ea. = 120 Ostars, by my math. But
    there’s a puzzle here - Alibaba is selling them as follows:

    Qty (pcs) ........... Price (Per pc)
    1 - 30 .................. $173.68
    31-50 .................. $142.11
    51-100 ................. $121.05

    … so there’s obviously no shortage of them. Unique? I don’t think so. And hold on – what’s this?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    I should have thoroughly checked this person out before going through with the deal and purchasing the bike lights.
    I thought you said you had the lights MADE? Now you say you PURCHASED them? Would you like to make up your mind which it is?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    They are $395 now
    So you were hoping to sell a $121 light for $395. That’s a mark-up of >300%. Nice.


    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    I don’t know how long it will be before the price will eventually go up
    Don’t you mean DOWN?


    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    I am satisfied.
    I doubt many CPF members will be satisfied with your attempt to deceive them by passing off a cheap, mass-produced item as a Custom one.


    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    Seems like I got the royal treatment
    It seems to me more like you were trying to give CPF members the "treatment".


    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    It really sucks.
    That’s the only part of either of your posts that I believe. The rest is BS.


    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    I learned a really good lesson from this whole ordeal which is to stick only with people you've known for a long time.
    … and wise CPF members will learn to deal only with people they can trust. Following this, you won’t be one of them.


    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    Moderator: Please, close this thread.
    NO. It’s staying open. Members may wish to comment. And as it is no longer a sale thread, the "no trashing" rule does not apply any more.


    Quote Originally Posted by ARC mania View Post
    Thank you DM51
    My pleasure, I assure you.


    Last edited by DM51; 07-27-2010 at 03:30 AM.
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock! ENDED!

    I really hope this is not what it looks like.

    ARC Mania had really great products in the past and it shouldn't end like this.

    But if in fact he tried to sell mass production lights at a premium, than something must have gone terribly wrong or he just got greedy.

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock! ENDED!

    Well done DM51.

    I'm even more suspicious of these succeeding threads now than I was in the first place when they came out. The lights always looked distinctly non-custom to me. I only hope all those that committed to them haven't been badly stung:-

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=281978

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=266012

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=249899

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=234374

    I'm wondering if this thread should be made into a sticky, so that it doesn't disappear eventually?
    Last edited by easilyled; 07-27-2010 at 04:12 AM.
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock! ENDED!

    The pic from the website that DM51 linked
    to (with the Shimano bike) was the exact same
    one used in Arc's bike forum thread i saw
    last week(pics now removed).

    You really
    shot yourself in the foot Arc ,sad to say.
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock! ENDED!

    Can some one find the Taiwan/China X6 mfg link?

    This sucks, I am working on Aspheric sst with round spot trying to beat X6, killing my brain cells for a fake?
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock! ENDED!

    Here's another supplier who is even cheaper - unit price from $105.15. That is 1/4 of what the OP was hoping to sell them for. As far from "unique" as one could imagine... they are widely available, and in large quantities too...
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock! ENDED!

    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    Well done DM51.

    I'm even more suspicious of these succeeding threads now than I was in the first place when they came out. The lights always looked distinctly non-custom to me.
    Mike said himself in one of those sales-threads, that they are not custom-made :

    To keep prices down they are made at a contractor. It is an attempt to lower the cost of custom lights by using some off the shelf parts. The company, an old supplier to a major name, uses remaining parts like the ZFL shroud. I will have this removed and left blank.
    We should stick to the bicycle light here and I hope Mike will give us a better explanation of what happened...
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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock! ENDED!

    I have been thinking about this thread all night, and I can't help but feel just plain pissed off. If not for DM51's watchdog effort - protecting members' wallets - how many of us would have been duped? And Arc Mania's explanation was crap. It takes a lot for me to go "down under" but this event caused me to do just that.

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    Default Re: 15 watt Ostar LED bicycle light. In stock! ENDED!

    Quote Originally Posted by Henk_Lu View Post
    Mike said himself in one of those sales-threads, that they are not custom-made :
    Yes, but he claimed to have designed them and to have inspected each one individually and used the best binned leds for them.
    They were also sold for a very hefty price.

    In light of this thread, I find it hard to believe that the truth wasn't "stretched" for those threads either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henk_Lu View Post
    We should stick to the bicycle light here and I hope Mike will give us a better explanation of what happened...
    I think that it is quite reasonable to draw parallels with other similar looking threads that some members may not be aware of at this stage.

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    I don't know which would be worse - that Arc was DUPED by a cheap producer, or that he attempted to Dupe the forum members by reselling the products from a cheap producer.

    Either way, it doesn't inspire confidence. Just Sunday I was having a conversation with DaFABRICATA about how fantastic this forum is, how trustworthy the members are, how many thousands of $$ change hands - within the US and Internationally - without incident. Such an outstanding group of people and the aforementioned record inspires confidence, and helps us to feel at ease whether spending $50, $500, or $2000.

    I, for one, still have that confidence. While this 'incident' might have the potential to shake that confidence, the savvy work of and 'heads up' by DM51 helps to maintain the confidence. BRAVO DM51!

    Whether we believe it a scam or not (which I do believe it to be), we can simply vote with our wallets. Up until this point I'd never made a purchase from Arc before. Don't believe that's gonna change any time soon!
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