TID- X5T Too Slick?

Looking at rigging a small LED-FL with a GGG -Tactical Impact Device for EDC. I saw the GGG T.I.D is now is fitted for the INOVA X5T. From the looks of the X5T (don't own one), it appears to be designed to have a gripping surface that aides in indexing the light radially. The gripping features are long, lateral, machined flutes. When using the T.I.D. for its indented purpose, it would seem logical to have a heavily knurled FL barrel/Body to insure a good purchase on the weapon; such as the SF E2e etc.

My questions are: Does anyone have the X5T/T.I.D? Also, can anyone comment on the gripping surface of the X5? The X5T/GGG T.I.D combo looks very EDC friendly for casual dress carried in a small nylon holster. All comments appreciated.

Thanks
A-6

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Looking at rigging a small LED-FL with a GGG -Tactical Impact Device for EDC.

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I saw the GGG T.I.D is now is fitted for the INOVA X5T.

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designed to have a gripping surface that aides in indexing the light radially

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The gripping features are long, lateral, machined flutes.

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When using the T.I.D. for its indented purpose, it would seem logical to have a heavily knurled FL barrel/Body

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I don't mean to be rude, but what the clucking bell are you on about ??????

For the benefit of those CPF members who don't live in America, could you repeat that in English please ???????

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The X5T/GGG T.I.D combo looks very EDC friendly for casual dress carried in a small nylon holster.

[/ QUOTE ] Ummm... a weapon as a fashion accessory ???????? Is that what you're talking about here ?????????

I hope I die before I get old.

Mr_Sesmesesles, it didn't make any more sense in Seattle than it did in the UK, I'm afraid.

I try to define acronyms and abbreviations the first time I use them, but sometimes do forget. Not everyone does, though, nor do many feel that it is necessary.

Bottom line, if we (you and I) could add productively to the discussion we'd probably understand the post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Now if you want acronym laden, let's delve into digital communications engineering ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Take care,

A "TID" (Tactical Impact Device) is a metal toothed ring/gadget that attaches to the bezel-end of a light. Supposedley, it's a self defense tool, but I think it's a goofy gimmick.

The best analogy I have is think of a TID as a serrated cookie cutter attached to a flashlight.

--dan

I think Atomic6 is worried about the X5T being too slippery when using the TID device. Also he mention something with Surefire-like heavy duty knurling would be much better.

Ooh Ooh, let me try:

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Looking at rigging a small LED-FL with a GGG -Tactical Impact Device for EDC.

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LED-FL is an LED Flashlight. GGG is probably the company that builds the TID. He wants to attach a TID to an LED Flashlight.

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I saw the GGG T.I.D is now is fitted for the INOVA X5T.

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This means it works on an X5T.

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From the looks of the X5T (don't own one), it appears to be designed to have a gripping surface that aides in indexing the light radially.

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This means that the grooves on the barrel aid in rotating the X5T in your hand which I believe he is saying would not help your grip when using the light in a striking (linear[uh oh…it's catching] ) motion.

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The gripping features are long, lateral, machined flutes. When using the T.I.D. for its indented purpose, it would seem logical to have a heavily knurled FL barrel/Body to insure a good purchase on the weapon; such as the SF E2e etc.

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Purchase would mean the grip applied to prevent the light from slipping.

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My questions are: Does anyone have the X5T/T.I.D? Also, can anyone comment on the gripping surface of the X5? The X5T/GGG T.I.D combo looks very EDC friendly for casual dress carried in a small nylon holster. All comments appreciated.

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I believe this means it wouldn't look out of place with jeans or khakis but would look strange if you were wearing a $1200.00 Armani suit.

My conclusion is that he just wants to know if the X5T is too slick to use as a defensive weapon.

My answer is that if an opposing digit is juxtapositioned perpendicularly to the EC you should be OK.

How did I do? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Is a clucking bell a sounding device installed on barnyard foul to indicate when they are crossing the road?

*Edit* too slow on the keyboard. Pi is blue got there first.

Atomic6,

I understood your question completely but I don't have a TID for the X5 and don't function in an environment or mind set that would encourage the carry of such a devise. I do feel that a sharp blow to the end of an X5 would likely result in your hand slipping down the shaft as opposed to a similar blow with a knurled battery tube. If the TID is used in a static pressure contact, perhaps the surface finish requirements would be different?? Heck I haven't a clue as to the answer to your question. I just wanted you to know that I read it and did understand it. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Oh yeah, Pi is Blue, I think Atomic6 is singular? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

- Don

EDIT: I see Icebreak took care of this while I was hunt and pecking on my keyboard. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Howdy-Well I said all comments appreciated; so I appreciate the comments-even from the temporarily confused. And you blokes in the UK have some confusing terms too-Ha! I posted the Acronyms due to the product name (TID) and the company name(GG&G) that purveys(sells)the TIDs.

I was hesitant to provide a hyperlink to a non-sponsoring website. But if you'll run a google search on "GG&G TID" you will see the devices for the SureFire and INOVA TIDs. Here is a blurb from the GG&G website product page:

"Originally conceived by personal protection specialist and GG&G Technical Advisor Lance Harris, the new Tactical Impact Device (TID) fits easily on the bezel of the flashlight and is secured from removal by four small socket head screws. Manufactured from 4140 steel, it has a manganese phosphate finish. Although lightweight, the GG&G TID adds sufficient heft to the front end of the flashlight to accelerate the forward momentum during the thrust stroke. Its sharp, 5-teeth-per-inch pattern surrounds the entire bezel and provides an aggressive, and extremely effective, alternative to lethal force. As Lance Harris so aptly said in a recent interview; "The GG&G TID was developed to de-fang an opponent through the use of trapping and pressure-point-compliance techniques. There is no other alternative force tool available that offers the concealability, and versatility of the TID."

And...in my original post above FL means Flash Lite. Uh... EDC means "Every Day Carry". And you knew that fellows-right? I wasn't trying to talk over anyone's level of comfort. Thanks McGizmo for lending plausable understand-ability to the verbiage. I live, by choice, in an Urban Jungle. If I can carry a small flashlight that could be used to thwart an attacker somewhat-then that would be at least some form of non-lethal defense. As to the mindset-I used to be a fairly mellow peace-nick. However, I have been mugged and nearly killed here walking down the street & my elderly mother-in-law was mugged walking in broad daylight near the house. My brother-in-law was murdered by two speeding street-racers last Friday. LA can be an ultra modern mecca for technology and the arts. It also has a very primative underbelly. So the X5T/TID would just lend a little comfort factor. Probably wouldn't save me from a gang. I like lights for other purposes too; such as backpacking and treking and being in enclosed spaces while at the day job.

Anyways-I'll try the above combo and see if it stashes in a small nylon pouch. I'll try the new tactical holster from countrycom. It's only $5.00 and comes free with the X5T.

Any more comments welcomed (AMCW).
A-6

I had the X5-T and I thought it was slippery just to press the button, I used the twist on function 99% of the time. I actually traded my X5-T for a TID for my E2e. I think its what you are looking for, roughly the same size as a x5-T and way more useful.

i'm with v8 on the surefire, but i think the tid would be very usable on the x5t. i have both lights, and i would put the tid on either one, although i havent yet. either light makes a good impact weapon.

A2-

I don't know enough about SFs to know if a GGG TID for an E2E would work on an L4 but I would think that would be a very fine solution for your purpose. I Googled for it but could not find it.

There have been several discussions here about using flashlights as striking defensive weapons. Googling will return books, tapes and courses devoted to this subject.

I'm percieving that you want to pursue the TID/X5T combo. Before purchasing, maybe consider contacting Size15s for his view on this. Possibly some more LEOs (Dano is a LEO) or defense experts will chime in to help you. I would have to go with McGizmo, V8TOYOTATRUCK and 1581zebra on this so far. For a rough urban environment I would want good knurling and a light with some authority. Sweet as the X5T is it has little authority. TIDs don't seem to be held in high regard here for defense but knowing how to use a small light as a kuboton is.

The TID will not work for on the L4, the allen screws do not touch the L4 bezel.

I used my TID/E2e on its first victim yesterday. We had a party at my friends house and the ice froze into large chuncks. A few wacks with the TID solved that problem.

V8TOYOTATRK -

Dern. That would be a great combo.

BTW sorry about the mispelling of your name in my previous post.

So, you used your light to break up the Ice? Cool. Very cool. If you wish to use my handle to name your light; feel free.

- Icebreak

Thank you all for the enlightenment.

So... what we're talking about here is a device that you attach to a flashlight so that you can ummm... hit people with it ?

It's probably a cultural difference thing, but I can't say I approve, or even see the need.

Anyway, thanks again.

Here is the GG&G TID for the SF E2E:

If you were caught in possesion of one of those by the Police here in the UK, it would be confiscated, flashlight and all. NOT worth losing a surefire over.

A6,

You would be better served with minimal personal risk from direct assailant contact by purchasing some FOX OC spray and carrying it on your belt. By all accounts it is the most effective such product on the market and is well respected by LEOs who have used it. Use of such a product might seem like an intuitive no-brainer, but it's better to learn about its proper use in real life situations from qualified personal instructors. If instruction isn't available then you could pick up a copy of "Tactical Use of Defense Sprays" by Doug Lamb. It is considered a good source of practical information.

TACTICAL USE OF DEFENSE SPRAYS

Brightnorm

kakster-

The cultural differences Mr Sesmesesles refers to encompass mindsets as well, I think.

In the US there are so many cultural differences they go past regions and digress almost to a street by street level. The laws and customs tend to be over-lapping and regional though.

Take the region I live in for instance. For me personally I have no use for a TID because it is legal to carry a 3" knife here and I would estimate that the majority of men in my area carry some sort of blade with them. I like the laws in my region. I don't have to depend on a respondent to protect me and mine.

I've never lived in Los Angeles but it could be that A6's solution of carrying a defensive flashlight might be a very good choice for him. If he were stopped by a regular street unit I think (with an emphasis on "I think" I don't know) he may or may not have trouble over his TID depending on the situation.

What I'm addressing is mindsets that are effected by law and culture. I won't pretend to fully understand your view but I think can appreciate it. My way of thinking that, again, is affected by regional cultural experience and local law is very different than yours and I would bet you can appreciate to some extent.

You say, "If you were caught in possesion of one of those by the Police here in the UK, it would be confiscated, flashlight and all. NOT worth losing a surefire over."

I say avoiding the remote possibility of having a $100.00 dollar defensive flashlight or a $100.00 3" knife confiscated by not carrying one is not worth compromising my ability to protect me and mine from injury or death.

Cultural differnces? Yes.

I've always wanted to visit the UK. I think I would really like it.

This has definitely become an interesting cultural thread. I don't have a TID nor do I plan to get one, but my 'merican mindset is somewhat dismayed by the UK mindset. Surely Mr_Sesmesesles can't claim to have failed to notice that many of the flashlights on this board claim to be "tactically" useful (not a reference to a chess game) and even in some cases attach to a G-U-N. It almost seems as though the UK mindset is that there is a moral highground in being defenseless.

Hope I haven't ruffled anyone's feathers too bad. If necessary, please take it in the spirit of debate rather than as a personal attack.

Cheers.

The TID may offer secondary utility. I am interested in having a E2e+ mod done. I read here on CPF that this Mc-Mod running a P61 Lamp shuts-down after 6-7 minutes due to thermal overload. So now I am wondering if the TID, being steel, having considerable mass and being intimately attached at the bezel, will function as a super heat sink. If so, then the TID essentially augments the runtime of the E2e+ and becomes a radiator. Now those teeth certainly add surface area for cooling. Additionally they function as an icebreaker (right Icebreak?). So the TID could, in this case, become both a hi-beam runtime extender (HBRTE) AND a walnut cracker for the those expressing alternate mindset sentiment. Then again-tactically speaking- E2e+TID's can present very HOT sharp teeth as well. Thoughts on the heatsink? Interesting responses.
A-6