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    Thanks Robin24k for the review and runtime tests!

    I was surprised about the good performance with alkalines (thought the output would be too high) so I find this new Surefire really interesting!

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    I am ordering the E2L AA Outdoorsman. I think it certainly has potential as an emergency light. One query I have is given the body tube is E series compatible could you use one of the Surefire LED heads that functions with 2 x RCR123 Li-ion batteries and use the Outdoorsman tube with 2 x 14500 Li-ion cells?

    Certainly you can't use 14500 with the original head on this light but I assume that since two RCR123s are 2 x 3.7V and two 14500s are 2 x 3.7V then this should be possible. I was thinking about putting the LX2 or E2DL head on the 2xAA body tube to extend the runtime.

    Am I wrong in my thinking here?

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    The logic is correct, as voltage is the key, but I believe only 3.0V RCR123 works with the other lights. I don't think they make 3.0V 14500's.

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    Great review. Really like my E2 with 2 CR123s. Nice size and great tactile body. I have one of the first KL1 heads and it desperately needs a modern LED....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin24k View Post
    The logic is correct, as voltage is the key, but I believe only 3.0V RCR123 works with the other lights. I don't think they make 3.0V 14500's.
    Thanks Robin24k

    A number of people have been using 3.7V RCR123s in the LX2 and the E2DL. I use them myself in one of my E2DLs. I think most have found that for short busts of max they work fine and I never use freshly charged Li-ion cells immediately. Of course the warranty will be affected if you use Li-ions but I am prepared to use one of my E2DL heads and have the extended runtime of 2x14500s.

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    Yup, then it should be fine, assuming the 14500's are identical in length to AA's and don't have a protruding PTC (the battery tube only has about 1mm of free space).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin24k View Post
    TIR = Total Internal Refraction. The light uses an optic (glass or plastic) to focus the light by bouncing it around inside, rather than using a reflector. It's more efficient, but they are more complicated to calibrate, hence why the heads cannot be disassembled, and the focus is fixed. The main advantage of TIR is a nice beam (no artifacts) with good throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Size15's View Post
    Reflection. Total Internal Reflection.
    Thank you as well Size15!
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    Default Re: SureFire E2L AA Outdoorsman Review

    Just posted my runtime graph for the E2L AA, and it is regulated very well.

    Alkaline: Duracell MN1500, expiration 2017-03
    NiMH: Sanyo HR3-UTGA, fully charged 12 hours prior
    Lithium: Energizer L91, expiration 2024-03

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    Nice! I assume that the low setting might be different. Alkalines tend to perform better on lower drain settings. I would only use alkaines where the device was to be left on continuously. I only ever leave eneloops or Lithium AA L91 or AAA L92 batteries in a flashlight which is switched off.

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    What's the Lux @ 1 meter with these?

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    Anyone know what emitter this uses?
    Last edited by mmace1; 11-08-2011 at 10:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin24k View Post
    Just posted my runtime graph for the E2L AA, and it is regulated very well.

    Alkaline: Duracell MN1500, expiration 2017-03
    NiMH: Sanyo HR3-UTGA, fully charged 12 hours prior
    Lithium: Energizer L91, expiration 2024-03
    Wow, that's a really impressive jump in runtime when using the Energizer L91! Nice job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry999 View Post
    Nice! I assume that the low setting might be different. Alkalines tend to perform better on lower drain settings. I would only use alkaines where the device was to be left on continuously. I only ever leave eneloops or Lithium AA L91 or AAA L92 batteries in a flashlight which is switched off.
    It's not as dramatic on low, it's 50 hours for alkaline, 40 hours for NiMH, and 60 hours for L91 (runtimes rounded to nearest 5 hours).

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    What's the Lux @ 1 meter with these?
    3200 lux at 1m. Peak beam intensity is 3200cd.

    Quote Originally Posted by mmace1 View Post
    Anyone know what emitter this uses?
    Cree XR-E.

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    Cree XR-E.
    Thanks! Any idea what level? R2 or...?

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    No, although does it make a difference? 80 lumens is 80 lumens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin24k View Post
    No, although does it make a difference? 80 lumens is 80 lumens...
    I'm being lazy, assuming Surefire circuitry is common, then I'd assume say - R2 @ 80 lumens lasts "this long". Vs. R5 at 80 lumens lasts "this long"

    I was trying to - without too much research, and assuming Surefire circuitry is at least average, see how efficient their 80 lumens were. 80 lumen max = well awfully low...but if going for super-reliability via 2-level light...80 is, if only 2 are there, good option.

    That said...assuming the super-reliability of a 2-level light...d, I'd like to know how efficiently that 80 lumens is draining the batteries...especially as I presumably paid over $150 for the light! As honestly, I've never broken a light and...I'd be kinda pissed to see a premium-manufacture use a Chinese-bulk-website's level of emitters, or even less...
    Last edited by mmace1; 11-08-2011 at 11:32 PM.

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    I have tailcap current measurements in the second post, so that could help with your calculations. They definately do a lot of testing and evaluation of their lights (that's why the rechargeables aren't out yet), plus there's a lifetime warranty, so I wouldn't worry about the LED having problems.

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    Hi guys , do u think MCR20S reflector is valid replacement for Tir Optic in E2L AA ?

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    Default Re: SureFire E2L AA Outdoorsman Review

    SF dealer here had a sale on the E2L AA. Couldn't help myself to pick one up.
    Quite a low SN


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    SN30?

    I am jealous.

    Wonder what a XPG3 straight swap would do for the E2Laa.
    Maybe a wider beam, more spill and over 100 lumens(conservative estimate?) paired with tabletop regulation for close to 10hrs with L91 cells, that would be great.

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    Would be nice to have a modern led in it.

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    Nice find kj2.
    Not just a low serial number, prototype low, with the "X" designation.

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    Must. Have. One.

    Somebody help me!!!

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    Lol harder to find then a inflight missile repair man😁
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    I can't believe the last of these were cleared out for like $100 two black Friday's ago. The single mode DSS(?) model in black HA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kj2 View Post
    SF dealer here had a sale on the E2L AA. Couldn't help myself to pick one up.
    Quite a low SN
    Yep, if that's the actual light, it's a prototype from the X serial number.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slumber Pass View Post
    I can't believe the last of these were cleared out for like $100 two black Friday's ago. The single mode DSS(?) model in black HA.
    Here's my earlier thread about the E2LAA DSS: https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...man-200-Lumens

    Was there ever any SF successor to this light? AA batteries are available all over the world.

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    Almost 10 years ago this thread started and I posted here!
    I still have E2L AA Outdoorsman. As well as its 1 and 2xCR123 brothers. Excellent flashlights even if they are dim compared to today's standard. The design and machining are outstanding. But I would like Surefire updated them. Without the lumen race goal to get as high max brightness as possible. And a E1L AA in same design but with updated LED had been great. With a newer LED a single AA model had got at least the same performance as the old 2AA, probably even better.

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    The E2L-AA is one of the greatest Surefire lights. I have both generations, the original and the later enhanced version. It is very useful, and a long runner even with Eneloop cells. One of my favorite lights, since this 65 and 105 (?) lumes are enough for most things.

    A E1L-AA would have been a great addition to the Outdoorsman lights. But now, all Outdoorsman lights are gone. My opinion, the Outdoorsman lights were the greatest lights for the case that run time is more important than brightness.

    But anyway.... Outdoorsman .... gone.
    My last Surefire .... years ago, was the blue Aviator (because I already had the 3 other colors )
    Plans to buy a Surefire from the current product lineup .... No!
    Still looking for Surefire G2 in Orange.
    If you have one you don't like please PM me.

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