XML Optics

Hey There,

Could anybody point me in the direction of some XML optics? Specifically I'm looking for something about 17-18mm in diameter and about 12-13mm deep...

Thanks

Nobody has came out with a specific XM-L optic in that size range just yet, lots of folks are looking and hoping though. You can use optics designed for the Cree X line and the Carclo 10193 narrow or tight is OK, the beam pattern will mostly be flood with a soft hot spot, don't expect much throw from any of them.

Do you think I would be able to get more throw with a reflector of the same size?

Ahorton sells apherics at 27.2mm diameter if you want throw

Nothing smaller huh? That's just a little too large for the body I'm trying to use. The outside diameter of the body is 20.5mm

You could try the Regina reflector from Ledil. 19mm diameter, 15mm long. Needs to be drilled out a bit though, but has a fair bit of throw. I got mine fairly cheap, good to play around.

no optics yet for xml, no real throw can be made with 20-25mm reflectors, just flood, i actually focused xm-l well with dx p7 52mm reflector, but it is not pancil thin beam, to the eye around 15* or so. also i swapped xr-e for xm-l in stanley 5w spotlight, or what is left of it, just reflector\heatsink, but it works great with that deep reflector, also great results i got with xm-l and FM deep led reflector.

i would think optics for mc-e should work fine with xm-l, but one got to try to be sure.

Sway said:

Nobody has came out with a specific XM-L optic in that size range just yet, lots of folks are looking and hoping though. You can use optics designed for the Cree X line and the Carclo 10193 narrow or tight is OK, the beam pattern will mostly be flood with a soft hot spot, don't expect much throw from any of them.

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Have you actually tried this? The few XP-G optics that I've handled all seem to have openings sized to fit the XP-E/XP-G dome perfectly. The much larger dome of the XM-L won't fit in the XP-G optics I've looked at (Carclo 10193, Ledil Tina, Ledil LXP).

Justin Case said:

Have you actually tried this? The few XP-G optics that I've handled all seem to have openings sized to fit the XP-E/XP-G dome perfectly. The much larger dome of the XM-L won't fit in the XP-G optics I've looked at (Carclo 10193, Ledil Tina, Ledil LXP).

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I agree with what you are saying, could be I was sent the wrong optics? Measuring the opening on the Carclo 10193 sample I have is is 6.69mm, the other I have is 5.87mm it was suppose to be for the XP-G...both fit of the XM-L dome but not perfect.

Ledil LXP for XP-G works with XM-L. You just had to widen out the hole in optic holder. Of course the beam is quite wide.

Hmmm... doesn't sound like I will get any better performance than from the reflector that I already have. I believe the reflector was for a Cree XR-E...

Question from a newbie.
I want to mod my old 3D Mag and search for a good reflector or lens.

Does anybody know, if this reflector for a Luxeon will fit for a xml?http://www.futureelectronics.com/en...s/single-led-optics/Pages/5248133-SO20XA.aspx

Or have somebody already found a good lens for a thrower?

MisterBeam said:

Question from a newbie.
I want to mod my old 3D Mag and search for a good reflector or lens.

Does anybody know, if this reflector for a Luxeon will fit for a xml?http://www.futureelectronics.com/en...s/single-led-optics/Pages/5248133-SO20XA.aspx

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First off, that's a tiny reflector. If you want to mod a 3D Mag, you're going to need something like 50mm or 52mm... I forget which... Mag guys help me out here...

Sorry, I forgot something to tell.
It should be a triple xml mag-mod. So I need some small lenses or reflectors which fit in the head of the mag-lite.

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Sorry, I forgot something to tell.
It should be a triple xml mag-mod. So I need some small lenses or reflectors which fit in the head of the mag-lite.

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The SO20XA is what some call the IMS20, it's designed for older Luxeon LED's but it will work with the Cree XM-L on 20mm stars in a 3XLed Mag light.

The beam will be very floody with a big hotspot, good for short range work but not much on throw.

Yup that's what I used for my triple XML. The Sandwich Shoppe all the way!

If you want a small image then you need an Aspheric with a long focal length.

If you want a bright image you a large diameter aspheric close to the LED.

IF you want the brightest spot with the least power, you need a small LED die with a narrow radiation angle - XR-E is good - XM-L not good.

I've got an aspheric lens on the XM-L version of Dereelight's DBS V3. I am extremely happy with it, but the spot does get big quickly with respect to distance from the light. I would be curious to see the XR-E version of this light with an aspheric lens and mine side by side...

MikeAusC said:

IF you want the brightest spot with the least power, you need a small LED die with a narrow radiation angle - XR-E is good - XM-L not good.

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correct, 100% I have xr-e light that I build, I used 52mm p7 reflector, it throws further and focuses better than p7 did in the same reflector, I also have xm-l that is in the same dx p7 reflector, while it is a lot more brighter, it throws less and more floody. I was very pleasantly surprised when first turned on xr-e and saw a lightsaber like beam. I did not expect it to be such a thrower.

There appear to be several new ones from Lednlight (now Gaggione):
http://www.lednlight.com/?page=products_lnl