Advice Needed: Pair of lights for new Marine Rifleman

TDFbound

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Hey guys, I will be leaving for Boot Camp in a couple weeks, and when I get back, I would like to order a couple lights to take with me when I get deployed (I am not sure where, but I have a feeling with the world so uptight that I will be sent somewhere in short order). I want a small light that I can keep on me at all times, and a larger light that I can use separately or affix to my weapon. I have copied and pasted the provided checklist, and instead of completing two of the forms, I only did one, with "1" being my all-the-time small light, and "2" being my larger long-distance light that can be attached to my weapon. As far as prices go, I don't want to be too specific and rule out a great light, but as long as they don't cost more than a few hundred bucks it should be fine.

Edit: Just thought it would be worth mentioning that I have in fact flipped through a couple of the stickied threads regarding lights for law enforcement and for use in Iraq. Seems like lots of the light recommendations there are for smaller "1 light does all" types. I was hoping to find something like those smaller ones with a big range of lumens (1 lumen for low setting, 100 or more for high), and a light that would almost always stay mounted on my weapon that would throw a hella nice beam onto a building so that I could see details at the windows and roof at 200 - 400 hundred yards out. I would love to stick a nice thermal weapon sight on my rifle, but I just don't have $8000+ to blow on that, or even $3500+ for a handheld unit, so a light will have to do. =)

1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

____I would like to purchase the light from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
__1,2__I will be mail-ordering or buying online, so this doesn't matter.


2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :)

____Less than $25.
____Less than $50.
____Less than $100.
__1__Less than $150.
__2__Less than $300.
____I have no limit.
__1,2__I'm flexible, tell me what you gotJ.
____Other, please specify ________


3) Format:

__1,2__I want a flashlight.
____I want a headlamp.
____I want a lantern.
____I want a dive light.
____I want a portable spotlight.


4) Flashlight-specific format/size:

____Keychain size.
__1__Every day carry small (2-4 inches).
__1,2__Every day carry medium (4-7 inches).
__2__Holster carry.
____Big enough to need its own travel caseJ.
____I don't care.
____I don't know.
____N/A


5) Emitter/Light source:

__1,2__LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
____I don't know.


6) Manufacturer:

__1,2__I want to buy a light from a traditional mass producing manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would consider getting a light that is pieced together (for example a "host" or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a "drop-in" emitter from another source). Under the right circumstances, this path can provide more options to the consumer to meet specific needs, and can often be easily upgradeable as technology improves.


7) What battery type do you want to use?

____I intend to use alkaline batteries (AAA, AA, C, D) (disclaimer, while it does not preclude all choices, these are not recommended for many of today's most powerful lights)
____I intend to use rechargeable nickel chemistry (NiCad, NiMH, NiZn)
__1,2__I intend to use lithium primary batteries (CR123, CR2, Energizer Advanced/Ultimate Lithium AA/AAA)
____I intend to use rechargeable lithium (li-ion) chemistry. Feel free to specify a size if you know which size you want (14500, RCR123/16340, 17500, 17670, 18650, etc.)
____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery. (Note: these choices may be very limited unless you are looking at spotlights)

**must be batteries I can simply purchase and stick in the light**


8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is impossible).

____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (0-10 lumens).
__1__I want to walk around an unlit rural area (50-150 lumens).
__1__I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
__2__I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
__2__I want ridiculous amounts of lumens (800+ lumens).


9) Throw vs. Flood: At what distance will you be most likely to use this light? Select all that apply.

____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
____Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
__1__5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
____30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
__2__50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
__2__150+ yards (I want maximum throw possible)


10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum output).

____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
__1__90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
__1,2__3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).


11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.

____Not Important (A "night-stand" light).
____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
__1__Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
__2__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


12) Switch Type and location (choose all that apply):

____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
__1__I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today's high end lights).
____I don't care.
__2__I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________________.


13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
__2__I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
__1__I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
____I want a programmable light.
____I want a selector ring.
____I want a strobe mode. (Blinks to show location.)
____I want SOS mode.
____I want a beacon mode.
____I don't care.
____I don't know.


14)Material/Finish/Coating

____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's flashlights).
____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
__1,2__I don't care.
____I don't know.
____Other, please specify____________.


15) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any below.

__1__Red filter (for preserving night vision).
____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
____"Hybrid" light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
____Pocket/belt clip
____Holster
____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
____Crenulated bezel
____Non-sparking Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments
 
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JWRitchie76

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For your bigger light I'd go with a MD2 and a M61 from Malkoff no question! Or host the M61 in Surefire. For your smaller light I'd get a HDS Clicky with a raised button or a Surefire T1A. FYI, I am a former Marine Grunt myself. Got out in 2003. If I were back in this is what I would carry without a doubt. I would lean more towards the HDS over the T1A though for my smaller more versatile light just due to it's size and clip capability. Good luck....now stop worrying about flashlights and go earn your Eagle, Globe and Anchor! Semper Fi!
 
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The Malkoff's are good recommendations, and I would try to make ky weapon light cross compatible with my handheld, for field repairs, etc. This can be done with a Surefire M951/M952 Weapon light, and a C2/6P with a Malkoff. With a set-up like this, if your weaponlight lamp suddenly up and quit, you could replace it with the lamp/LED in your C2. Same with tail-caps and so on. If you wanted less weight (always a plus) You could go with a Scoutlight and something like the E2DL. But, I wouldn't get to set on a weapon light...not sure they'll let you put your own weaponlight on a weapon they issue you.

If that turns out being the case, I'd go for something along the lines of an E2DL or an HDS.

Oh, and Welcome to CPF!
 

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But, I wouldn't get to set on a weapon light...not sure they'll let you put your own weaponlight on a weapon they issue you.

If that turns out being the case, I'd go for something along the lines of an E2DL or an HDS.

Oh, and Welcome to CPF!

Good advice here. This is most likely the case in the line companies but we were getting issued Surefire weaponlights back pre-9-11. Honestly get yourself a great versatile EDC (HDS) and get through boot and SOI, once you get to the fleet and start training up you'll get a feel for what you can and can't do as far as a weaponlight goes.
 

TDFbound

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Good advice here. This is most likely the case in the line companies but we were getting issued Surefire weaponlights back pre-9-11. Honestly get yourself a great versatile EDC (HDS) and get through boot and SOI, once you get to the fleet and start training up you'll get a feel for what you can and can't do as far as a weaponlight goes.

Thanks for the advice guys! I like those HDS lights- small and has multiple brightness settings. As for the second light, I will definitely wait before purchasing anything- would be terrible to spend a few hundred bucks only to be told I can't use it!! Supposing I can't use my own weapon light, what would be a good long distance thrower for what I mentioned, like really lighting up a building or searching a hillside from a few hundred meters away? Even if I can't mount it to my rifle, it may still be useful to a fire team to have something like that along for the ride.
 

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For the smaller of the two lights, I would immediately suggest a HDS systems light.

I have a 140 clicky. IT is an absolutely bomb-proof little light. I would have no problem taking it into a war zone.

There are a couple of models: I'm going to suggest a EDC Tactical 170, as it will give you the best throw. See it here: http://hdssystems.com/?id=Edc&mType=Clicky&mName=T1B&mOut=170

It's a complicated seeming light. But once you've run through the manual a few times, with the light in hand, it's second nature. You can set it up however you want or need, and change it as you need to change it. The 200's seem nice, but they use a larger, less throwy LED, so while they have more output, the distance vision suffers. The lights are also 1" in diameter, so you can look to Surefire for a variety of color filters and diffusers. For a start I would definitely suggest at least the F05 red light filter (http://www.surefire.com/FlashlightFiltersDiffusersCovers).

My 140 uses the same LED as the 170, and has no problem brightly illuminating out to distances of 50-60 yards in a relatively well lit urban environment. Add a diffuser and it's a great task light. You can program anywhere between max output and 0.08 lumens (which is great for up close work without ruining your night vision, especially with the addition of a red filter).
 
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