New HDS Hi-Cri pictures and beam shots

dbleznak

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Here are some pictures of my new HDS Hi-Cri rotary. It seems that I am the only one to receive the new hi-Cri version, and now... It time for the money shots!!! For comparison, I used my new HDS 200 clicky. Words cannot describe how spectacular the hi-Cri rotary is. It is the "gold standard" to which all other hi-Cri edc's should aspire to be. While other may prefer the nichia 119 emitter (which is incredible), it can only be found in Don's incredible hi-Cri haiku (which I also own). In the end, I feel the rotary is better suited for my daily needs. If you are a fan of "low lows", no one does a moonlight mode better than Henry at HDS. Thanks.


emitter shots
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Beam shots

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Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCWWyj1rH7s&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 

thaugen

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Thanks for posting these shots! Now I am even more excited for the arrival of my HDS High CRI Clicky! I am assuming the same emitter will be used in the High CRI Clicky version as the Rotary with the High CRI option.

I also have a Rotary 200 and absolutely love the pure white LED in this light!
 

dbleznak

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That's funny !!! There isn't a germ/fungus/bacteria alive that could mess with HDS... Not even anthrax or the ebola virus.
 
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skyfire

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i was just thinking about the rotary in high CRI...
is Henry finally releasing them? ive been waiting cause i dont want to void Henry's great warranty by modding it myself.

OK, found out that Henry is taking orders...

that beam looks flawless too! Oh man, im getting excited!
 
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brighasday

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Thanks for taking the time to do these great beam comparisons. Do both beams look the same pattern wise? Also I recall in the old Seoul high CRI lights the color changed from almost cool white in the center to yellowish to brownish; Does the XP-G version exhibit this or is it mostly uniform?
 

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I transplanted a 90+ CRI XP-G into my old D10 GDP and it works beautifully. There is zero tint variation across the beam and the low low is great too, I'm assuming quite similar to the HDS.

The human eye prefers warmer tints at lower outputs and cooler tints at higher outputs, to do with varying pigmentation in specialised photoreceptors and specialised colour sensitivities in higher LGN and V cortex pathways I think. It also probably arose due to natural low light conditions such as sunrise and sunset being generally low CCT whereas high levels of light such as midday sunlight are generally much higher CCT. (I don't think firelight being low CCT would have anything to do with it as the evolutionary timescale has to be much longer, maybe some conditioned/phenotypic variation in preference but no biological one).

Anyway, the point is that on lights with low lows a low CCT high CRI LED will be very pleasing at such outputs.
 

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"prefers" might be the wrong word but the high number of red sensitive cones in the eye -needed for detailed vision, has been established.

Take a white 5mm led and a red 5mm led, wire them up appropriately and go walk around the basement at night.
What I see immediately is that the white led seems to give me more light bouncing back off of surfaces, particularly with my peripheral vision, it's "brighter".
Secondly when looking directly at a detail, say print for instance, the white light seems brighter peripherally and 'fogs up/greys out' in my center of focus.

The red light on the other hand seems much dimmer, but when I look directly at the same printed page I see clean and sharp lines.
 
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Sorry, maybe the broad use of 'prefers' was poor wording on my part, of course the human eye can't subjectively prefer something. However, it is more sensitive to detail and attention is easier to maintain with low CCT at low light levels and vice versa for high light levels. This effect is often also evident in the general rating of light 'pleasantness'. Below is a quote from a (partially) relevant source found in a quick Google search on the subject.

'In 1941, a Dutch researcher, A.A. Kruithof ("Tubular Luminescence Lamps for General Illumination," Philips Technical Review, vol.6, 65-96, 1941), published a graph (see illustration) summarizing the relationship between color temperature, intensity, and the "pleasant" quality of an illumination source. According to the Kruithof curve, an observer prefers lower color temperature lighting when the light level is lower, and prefers a higher color temperature when the light level is higher. In essence, Kruithof provided a quantitative basis for describing a phenomenon that we all experience. For example, a space uniformly illuminated at 20 footcandles by daylight at a color temperature above 6000° K appears gloomy and overcast, whereas the same space illuminated at the same 20 footcandles with tungsten-halogen lamps at 3000° K appears pleasant and comfortable. The conclusion drawn from Kruithof's curve is that our color-temperature preference changes based on the intensity of the light within a space.'

Bold added by me. Perhaps this does not in actuality apply to each and every one of us, but as it is a generally accepted and widely tested and empirically supported effect I would expect (even if simply by the laws of statistics) if tested yourself for you to also experience the same 'tint preference shift' depending on level/intensity of light output.


Another quote from further down the same source. This is referring to the results of a more recent follow up study:

'The fact that most observers chose the same preferred color temperature within a narrow range is further evidence that the choice of color temperature involves more than an arbitrary aesthetic preference. It is based on a fundamental property of human vision. To further understand the preference for a specific color temperature, additional studies were undertaken in a non-art context. A white reflective surface was illuminated at a fixed intensity as the color temperature was increased and decreased in small increments between 3000° K and 4700° K. Observers were asked to describe the light as warm, cool or intermediate. For a surface illuminated at 20 foot candles, a value around 3700° K was chosen as the intermediate value, measured with a Minolta photographic color temperature meter (Model II). At 20 foot candles, 3700° K appears as an achromatic white light compared to higher or lower color temperature sources. Coincidentally, the choice of 3700° K was the preferred color temperature chosen on aesthetic grounds when looking at paintings. This suggests that the aesthetic preference for a specific color temperature derives from a fundamental characteristic of human color perception.'
 
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the.Mtn.Man

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The endless "cool vs. warm" debates that rage on this forum seem to suggest that there's more to it, although I concede that forum debates are no match for a controlled, scientific study.

However, I found this curious: "3700° K appears as an achromatic white light compared to higher or lower color temperature sources. Coincidentally, the choice of 3700° K was the preferred color temperature chosen on aesthetic grounds when looking at paintings."

Is it a coincidence that the latest high CRI lights from HDS feature a 3700K color temperature?
 

RedForest UK

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I think any overall stated preference is largely subjective, and as most lights give varying output levels the argument about subjective preference differences is still a valid one.

I just wanted to point out that at low light levels the warmer CCT will really help and at higher ones isn't so bad with the High CRI and as many of us are accustomed to high output incan lights anyway e.g. indoor lighting. What I'd love to see somehow is a light which shifts it's overall tint to cooler CCT as the output goes up, that would be cool ;) But I'm not sure it's possible with a single LED at the current technology level, maybe for massive LED arrays..

I'm not sure if Henry considered this study when choosing the CCT level to be honest, I think 3700k is simply the highest CCT rated 90+ CRI Cree XP-G available. He may have done however, he seems to put a lot of attention to detail in his designs.
 

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Is the light as yellow as it appears in the photos or or does it just appear that way because of the cooler light?

I really like neutral lights around 4500k, I thinks this may be too warm for my taste.

Norm
 

the.Mtn.Man

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I suspect the camera was balanced for the cooler light which is why it appears almost pure white. If it was balanced for the warmer emitter then the other would look distinctly blue.
 
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