Surefire "clones" (counterfeits) for sale at gunshow UPDATE

ConfederateScott

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I went to a gunshow today and one of the vendors had a table full of knock-off Surefire flashlights for sale. Upon walking up to the table I was stunned to see the prices which were less than half price for new Surefires. But when I picked one up I felt the edges were sharp on the tailcap fins of the E2D and the clicky was a reverse clicky. I took the tailcap off and the head off and looked more closely. Then I glanced up at the vendor and told him the light was not a genuine Surefire. He readily said, "Yeah, those are clones". I looked at a few more and walked on. The same vendor was selling counterfeit Eotech rifle sights which are very high dollar sights. He called them "clones" also. In my opinion the body of the E2D could have passed for a Surefire body. It was pretty well built and the SF logo looked authentic. The threads were kind of sharp though. The head and the tailcap had features that stood out as being fake to anyone who has held and used Surefires to any degree. I'm not sure the vendor would have been so forthcoming if I hadn't let him know that I knew. I've been a member here for a long time and I go to gunshows regularly but I've never read anything about counterfeits here (that I remember anyway) and I've never seen them before at gunshows. Are they common in other parts of the U.S.? Is this something new?
 
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Re: Surefire "clones" (counterfeits) for sale at gunshow

why does everyone copy SureFire, but in discussions everyone says SureFire is a low lumen, high cost has-been.
 

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Re: Surefire "clones" (counterfeits) for sale at gunshow

You should have taken some pictures as I've never seen a SF clone with the words "Surefire" actually on them.
It's usually some 'other' fire name.

why does everyone copy SureFire, but in discussions everyone says SureFire is a low lumen, high cost has-been.
When they copy SF, they copy the flashlight body designs. When people talk about low lumen it's about the internals i.e. LED, driver and such.

I'm not agreeing/disagreeing, just trying to clarify.
 

TMedina

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Heh. For a number of reasons, I suppose: Surefire is the most recognized and trusted name of all the "tactical" flashlight brands.

The build quality and engineering of Surefire lights is also top notch, and is noted particularly for their nigh rock-solid reliability.

That said, Surefires are expensive - even for being made in America. They were also slow to embrace LED technology. And, because they spend so much time engineering and testing their products, they tend not to have the cutting edge in LED emitters.

I won't re-hash all the Surefire love/hate threads - but you see why knock-off copies would still sell, particularly at a show catering to Surefire's usual customer base.
 

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I'm not at all surprised of this report. You can even see copies of a copy, at least they put another name to it. But putting the name "Surefire" on it and passing it as one to the unsuspecting, that is already counterfeiting.
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I regret not buying one now. The rules of the gunshow prohibited taking photographs inside. But I did keep a business card of the vendor selling them so I suppose I could call and mail order one. I've seen BlastFire and BrightFire knockoffs of Surefire but this was the first time I'd ever seen a complete counterfeit with the Surefire Logo just like a genuine SF light. I can see where someone could be fooled if they weren't a SF fan(atic). The price for their E2D clones was $44. Not exactly sure exactly what the SF E2D model would be with an LED head but these had LED heads that looked Surefire-ish. I think I may give them a call this week and try to order one so I can take some pics and show y'all
 

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I wouldn't bother. You'll be giving him money, your hard earned money for a counterfeit product you won't be happy with.
I say forward the info to Surefire and let them get their team of lawyers involved.
 

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I wouldn't bother. You'll be giving him money, your hard earned money for a counterfeit product you won't be happy with.
I say forward the info to Surefire and let them get their team of lawyers involved.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think he wanted to have one as evidence for documentation more than for his collection. At least, that would be why I would buy one.
 

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Re: Surefire "clones" (counterfeits) for sale at gunshow

Erm by reporting counterfeits, do the reporter get a reward?:sssh:
 

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Re: Surefire "clones" (counterfeits) for sale at gunshow

Maybe you could send them an e-mail requesting pictures. If I were the vendor I wouldn't want to be sending photos of my counterfeit products all around the country but maybe you can tell him you're interested in buying one or two lights but aren't sure which one(s). Perhaps some photos would help jog your memory. :devil:
 

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Maybe you could send them an e-mail requesting pictures. If I were the vendor I wouldn't want to be sending photos of my counterfeit products all around the country but maybe you can tell him you're interested in buying one or two lights but aren't sure which one(s). Perhaps some photos would help jog your memory. :devil:

^ this guy gets it.
 

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I went to a gunshow today and one of the vendors had a table full of knock-off Surefire flashlights for sale. Upon walking up to the table I was stunned to see the prices which were less than half price for new Surefires. But when I picked one up I felt the edges were sharp on the tailcap fins of the E2D and the clicky was a reverse clicky. I took the tailcap off and the head off and looked more closely. Then I glanced up at the vendor and told him the light was not a genuine Surefire. He readily said, "Yeah, those are clones". I looked at a few more and walked on. The same vendor was selling counterfeit Eotech rifle sights which are very high dollar sights. He called them "clones" also. In my opinion the body of the E2D could have passed for a Surefire body. It was pretty well built and the SF logo looked authentic. The threads were kind of sharp though. The head and the tailcap had features that stood out as being fake to anyone who has held and used Surefires to any degree. I'm not sure the vendor would have been so forthcoming if I hadn't let him know that I knew. I've been a member here for a long time and I go to gunshows regularly but I've never read anything about counterfeits here (that I remember anyway) and I've never seen them before at gunshows. Are they common in other parts of the U.S.? Is this something new?


Hello Confederatescott,
My name is Thomas and I am the PR specialist for SureFire. I saw this post and wanted to know if you could contact me so we can look into the "phony" SureFire's. [email protected]
Kind Regards,
Thomas
 

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Re: Surefire "clones" (counterfeits) for sale at gunshow

Hello Confederatescott,
My name is Thomas and I am the PR specialist for SureFire. I saw this post and wanted to know if you could contact me so we can look into the "phony" SureFire's. [email protected]
Kind Regards,
Thomas

Man..., first post........, I wouldn't reply until he had at least 10 posts:sssh::):eek::eek:

(said the person with about 10 surefires (modded))
 

enomosiki

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Re: Surefire "clones" (counterfeits) for sale at gunshow

Man..., first post........, I wouldn't reply until he had at least 10 posts:sssh::):eek::eek:

(said the person with about 10 surefires (modded))

The poster did give a legit contact address, so it shouldn't be a problem.
 

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Re: Surefire "clones" (counterfeits) for sale at gunshow

I think Nfetterly was being funny. :poke:
 
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