SureFire Dominator is coming

Lurveleven · Jan 9, 2013

It have looked like one of the SureFire catalog lights never going to happen, but it is now available for pre order, so it is finally becoming available!
Anyone else planing to get this?

Divine_Madcat · Jan 9, 2013

I guess i am missing something - is the only reason this costs $40 short of a grand, because it is Surefire? I mean, there are plenty of other good Li-ion lights, that hit or exceed 2k Lumens, for far less than this.

Apologies for a perceived thread crap, but i just don't see how they can justify the cost?

Lurveleven · Jan 9, 2013

Please let not this turn into another SureFire price discussion thread.

Divine_Madcat · Jan 9, 2013

Well, given that it doesn't carry features other lights don't have, what else is there to discuss?

How about this.. What am i getting by paying 750 more over say, a TN30 (a light i have been considering now that it is upgraded and on sale...)? I don't care what brand it is.. If you are going to ask that much more than your competiton, you should have a good reason, no?

tonkem · Jan 9, 2013

Surefire is a premium light maker and as has been noted before, you either pay the premium or you don't.

nothing more to say about the price. Just like lupine lights command a premium price. Their betty package is almost $900 as well and puts out 2600 lumens. It is all in what you want.

shane45_1911 · Jan 9, 2013

I own Surefires. Lots of Surefires, by some people's standards.
But I have to agree. This light is just not 10 or 20 bucks more than something similar. It is HUNDREDS of dollars more. If there truly are features and functions that justify the price, I am all ears.

Beckler · Jan 9, 2013

The only thing worse than another 'Surefire vs. everyone else' thread is people complaining about it. Who cares where the discussion goes--let it happen. Not everyone is a flashlight mega-geek who has read every CPF posting six times over.

mgscheue · Jan 9, 2013

Well, it does come with a battery... .

romteb · Jan 9, 2013

I wish it was more expensive, as the saying goes "you get what you pay for", make it 2000$ and you have a 108.33% improvment in quality.

leon2245 · Jan 9, 2013

Lurveleven, thanks for the heads up on this light. Forgot about it, & assumed it would never happen like so many other SF's. For me, probably only in my dreams (could only pretend to have needs for something like this to justify splurging), but still exciting, and will be looking forward to reviews etc. Sorry your thread immediately got derailed with the typical stuff. Maybe mods will cut that out for you.

Divine_Madcat said:
Well, given that it doesn't carry features other lights don't have, what else is there to discuss?

Hey DM would it blow your mind if I told you some members here would actually be willing to pay more for certain lights... if they only had fewer features?

JohnnyMac · Jan 9, 2013

Illum said:
What do you think Surefire means by a "9-square LED?"

More than likely that is referring to the LED size. 9mmx9mm square, as in the new Cree MTG-2 emitter which happens to put out 2000 lumens driven to specs. Seems to me this is more than likely the emitter being used in this light.

Size (mm x mm)	8.9 x 8.9
Product options	6 V, 9 V, 36 V
Maximum drive current (A)	3 (6 V), 2 (9 V), 0.5 (36 V)
Maximum power (W)	18.5W @ 85°C
Light output	Up to 1987.5 lm @ 18.5 W, 85°C
Viewing angle (degrees)	115
Binning	85°C, 2- and 4-Step EasyWhite®
Thermal resistance (°C/W)	1.5
Reflow-solderable	Yes – JEDEC J-STD-020C-compatible
RoHS and REACH-compliant	Yes

The_Driver · Jan 9, 2013

There is a picture somewhere that shows a prototype Dominator at one of the shot shows. The prototype had a Luminus CBT-90 led (domeless SST-90 on a thick copper pcb). I guess the competitor would be the Skillhunt K30GT.

EDIT: 9*9mm is huge for an led. 9 square millimeters would make much more sense, since the SST-90/SBT-90/CBT-90s are that big.

Sintro · Jan 9, 2013

Trolling post removed.

tobrien · Jan 9, 2013

JohnnyMac said:
More than likely that is referring to the LED size. 9mmx9mm square, as in the new Cree MTG-2 emitter which happens to put out 2000 lumens driven to specs. Seems to me this is more than likely the emitter being used in this light.
[IM]http://www.cree.com/~/media/Images/Cree/Components%20Modules/XLamp/MTG2/MTG2_Cool_Angle_med.JPG[/IMG]

Size (mm x mm) 8.9 x 8.9
Product options 6 V, 9 V, 36 V
Maximum drive current (A) 3 (6 V), 2 (9 V), 0.5 (36 V)
Maximum power (W) 18.5W @ 85°C
Light output Up to 1987.5 lm @ 18.5 W, 85°C
Viewing angle (degrees) 115
Binning 85°C, 2- and 4-Step EasyWhite®
Thermal resistance (°C/W) 1.5
Reflow-solderable Yes – JEDEC J-STD-020C-compatible
RoHS and REACH-compliant Yes

good thought, I bet youre right

Old-Lumens · Jan 9, 2013

I really don't see trashing any thread, just because of the price of the light or the name brand. So they have high priced lights, so what, some will want it, some will not. I don't see the big deal really, or the trashing that goes on. I will never buy one, but I would say "more power to you" for anyone that does. If it's what you want, it's what you want, just like one car maker over another. Poor people call rich people snobs and rich people say poor people "have no class". So what, move on.

Just sayin...

välineurheilija · Jan 9, 2013

Sintro said:
One thing I don't get about the Dominator is the cooling fins. What are their purpose?

Maybe they are for cooling

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Illum · Jan 9, 2013

JohnnyMac said:
Size (mm x mm) 8.9 x 8.9
Product options 6 V, 9 V, 36 V
Maximum drive current (A) 3 (6 V), 2 (9 V), 0.5 (36 V)
Maximum power (W) 18.5W @ 85°C
Light output Up to 1987.5 lm @ 18.5 W, 85°C
Viewing angle (degrees) 115
Binning 85°C, 2- and 4-Step EasyWhite®
Thermal resistance (°C/W) 1.5
Reflow-solderable Yes – JEDEC J-STD-020C-compatible
RoHS and REACH-compliant Yes

6V, 9V, 36V... thats an odd selection for foward voltage.
12 CR123a is 36V [OCV anyway], I wonder who came up with the concept that 12 CR123A is considered a "practical" way to power a light. Although 36V 0.5A seems really easy on the batteries.

Tiresius · Jan 9, 2013

Is it safe to run so many primaries on a light that will draw a lot out of them?

TEEJ · Jan 9, 2013

I think for a lot of people its like watches.

A Rolex might cost several thousand dollars, and yet the time it tells you might be the same as a $10 Timex....and people will say "Hey, I get get a watch that tells me the same time as that $2000 watch for only $10, WHY in the world would I spend $2k?

Divine_Madcat · Jan 9, 2013

leon2245 said:
Lurveleven, thanks for the heads up on this light. Forgot about it, & assumed it would never happen like so many other SF's. For me, probably only in my dreams (could only pretend to have needs for something like this to justify splurging), but still exciting, and will be looking forward to reviews etc. Sorry your thread immediately got derailed with the typical stuff. Maybe mods will cut that out for you.

Hey DM would it blow your mind if I told you some members here would actually be willing to pay more for certain lights... if they only had fewer features?

Yep, you are picking brain matter off the floor at this point.
Look, i know premium products cost more, but they bring premium features (higher end material, better performance, etc). In this case, i just cant help but feel the premium feature is the name, rather than build (i mean, if it is built from titanium, now we are talking). Perhaps some new battery technology?

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