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    Sssh Armytek Prime Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyTek View Post
    Yes, you are right. We cancelled Smart series because they are almost the same as Prime Pro series.
    So, Prime series will be produced instead of Smart one.





    Maximal light output: 340 lumens
    LED: Cree XM-L2 U2
    LED Tint: Cool White 5500K
    Optics: TIR-optics
    Stabilization of constant brightness regardless of frost and low battery voltage: FULL
    Protection of electronics by compounding it in aluminum capsule: YES
    Impact Resistance: 10m/33ft
    Water submersible: 30m/33yd
    Active thermal management of LED and electronics: YES
    Built-in high temperature indication: YES
    Built-in low battery indication: YES
    Indication of battery voltage: YES
    Removable clip of stainless steel: NO


    For full specs please see Armytek Smart A1 webpage.
    340 lumens on 1x Eneloop AA?? That beats the 280 lumens of the Zebralight SC52

    So what are the main differences? *ggg*







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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    I wasn't. Thanks. Thanks a lot.

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    I think it will rock on a 14500

    When you look at the narrowest part, having in mind that it is a AA light, the rest is pretty thick, like a CR123A light
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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    How long till available ?
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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    I bet it's not 340 lumen with 1x AA Eneloop. I'd bet that's with a 14500.

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    ...or 340 emitter lumens, which is easily 280 after a 20% reflector and window loss. The light is listed as pre-production anyway - I think it's best to wait till it comes out and wait for an independent set of measurements.


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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Quote Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post
    I bet it's not 340 lumen with 1x AA Eneloop. I'd bet that's with a 14500.
    It is entirely possible to get 340. The max 1AA driver that I've seen advertised, is supplying 900mA at the emitter. Assuming they managed to do this or get close, that would mean around 375 lumens at the emitter. With the TIR optics loss, 340 is achievable.

    But given that the specs say the "Maximal" output is 340, I'm with you in thinking that's with a 14500

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Can someone maybe ask the company about the 340 lumens?
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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Quote Originally Posted by CarpentryHero View Post
    How long till available ?
    Should come June/July for what I know.

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    For any primary Alkaline/NimH AA to provide a constant 900ma, they would drain extremely quickly because their low Voltage is so much lower than the Vf of the XM-L2.

    Therefore even if 340 lumens out the front is theoretically possible, it couldn't possible stay at that output for more than a few minutes.

    In my opinion its much more sensible to settle on a realistic output from these cells that can be maintained for a reasonable length of time, especially considering that 340 lumens is not much brighter than 140 lumens to the human eye.
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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Armytek almost always quotes output in emitter lumens. The Predator Pro's overdriven XPG-2 is 670/640 emitter lumens.
    Since this will be among their first AA lights, its not clear if they're calibrating their numbers to 14500 Li-Ions or NiMH/Alkaline/Lithium. Some manufacturers mix-and-match outputs/modes among different battery types.

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Even it its in emitter lumens, it sounds like a great light and I'm really impressed that Armytek is stepping its game up with new offerings

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Quote Originally Posted by wings400 View Post
    I think it will rock on a 14500

    When you look at the narrowest part, having in mind that it is a AA light, the rest is pretty thick, like a CR123A light
    In the specs it says diam 1 inch, that's normally the diam of 18650 lights.
    Pretty beefy light for being AA.

    Wonder what the output levels and UI will be like.
    Interesting with a TIR AA light.

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Odd looking light. Why the curve at the end? Why bezel up clip?

    love the output tho

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    since the CR123 version is rated at 620 lumens max I think this light is probably brighter than 340 lumens with 14500 battery.
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    That clip placement seems sub-optimal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sticktodrum View Post
    That clip placement seems sub-optimal...

    I agree.
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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Quote Originally Posted by sticktodrum View Post
    That clip placement seems sub-optimal...
    Yeah, makes no sense at all to me...hopefully they adjust that before it goes into production. I only own one other AA sized light (the SC52) and I'm looking forward to having this as another option.

    Quote Originally Posted by GunnarGG View Post
    In the specs it says diam 1 inch, that's normally the diam of 18650 lights.
    Pretty beefy light for being AA.
    It certainly is, and the specs suggest it isn't just for show. 10 meter drop resistance and 30 meter water resistance seems like a great tradeoff for a little more mass...clearly Armytek has reliability and toughness as priority #1.

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    I see no official support for the rechargeable Li-ion batteries in their new flashlights...


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    Quote Originally Posted by shelm View Post
    Can someone maybe ask the company about the 340 lumens?
    sorry for quoting myself

    I asked the Armytek developers and they said that the 340 lumens are LED lumens for 1x Eneloop AA (as correctly stated by me in the thread's title) and that the torch is going to be brighter on 1x 14500 li-ion. The light is fully regulated on 14500, and more output/specs will be determined and published when the final production copies are available for testing.

    And it's true that the driver is potted, similar to HDS Systems Rotary Clicky.

    So basically what you have here is an "HDS in AA/14500" format lol

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Is it safe to assume the current draw from the NiMH AA cell would be 2.5~3A in order to generate 340 lumens from a single AA cell? NiMH can definitely handle that with ease.

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Meant to reply wiith quote. Moved my reply
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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    Quote Originally Posted by wings400 View Post
    I think it will rock on a 14500

    When you look at the narrowest part, having in mind that it is a AA light, the rest is pretty thick, like a CR123A light
    This looks like a Novatac/HDS clone in design. Maybe part of the selling tactic is why it is shaped like it is. I wished it did take a CR123.
    Actually with the AA design I hope it is lighter than my HDS clicky. It is to heavy for EDC, at least for me. Unless I am going on a serious hike and I know it will be dark before I get back down off the hills here around Chattanooga. Then I bring it "HDS" with my MuyShondt and Quark mini CR2. "THE LIGHT THAT GETS YOU HOME. Love that HDS.
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    I do hope they rethink the clip, or rather have some option to move it. At the $70 price, I'm certainly not beyond picking one up to try out. Sounds pretty cool on paper and if it's that robust a build than it would likely be worth its price just to test out that robustness.

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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    too bad no firefly mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wings400 View Post
    When you look at the narrowest part, having in mind that it is a AA light, the rest is pretty thick, like a CR123A light




    Quite a bunch of Tank007 lights have this great design near the end of the tail. Yes, HDS lights have it too! The above picture is the AA-extender for certain Tank007 models (TK566/TK568), see Manafont or Dinodirect.
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    Default Re: Armytek Smart A1 (1x Eneloop AA, 340 lumen)

    it seems like they use the same head/electronics for all the new lights, cr123, aa, 2xaa, 18650.. maybie we can get the adapters as spare parts?

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    what is all the fuss about how bright it is? its not available. why worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RIX TUX View Post
    what is all the fuss about how bright it is? its not available. why worry about it.
    "The fuss" was carried out over the course of 3 days, from when the thread started in May. I am assuming this was new news in May and thus got forgotten about quickly as everyone pretty much realised it wasn't yet available and the specs were simply LED lumens which turns out being not so impressive anyway.

    Did you follow the thread at all or simply ignored what went on above?

    On another, more productive note, I can't wait for this to be released! Will be good to see some more side switch options!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEDburn View Post
    "The fuss" was carried out over the course of 3 days, from when the thread started in May. I am assuming this was new news in May and thus got forgotten about quickly as everyone pretty much realised it wasn't yet available and the specs were simply LED lumens which turns out being not so impressive anyway.

    Did you follow the thread at all or simply ignored what went on above?

    On another, more productive note, I can't wait for this to be released! Will be good to see some more side switch options!!
    I checked the website today and still unavailable. Silly to have a lumen war on a light thats not produced yet.

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