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    I recently purchased a Neutral White version of the D40A, and thought you might be interested in how it compares to the Cool White version tested here.

    First, there has been a change to spring design in the head:



    This new sample has a larger and more pronounced spring. It is also perfectly straight. This should presumably help prevent the issues some people have apparently experienced of poor contact or potential shorting (from a bent spring).

    As for tint of the new Neutral White, that is hard to describe or compare in pictures. Sunwayman doesn't report the tint bin. I have seen speculation here that it is 3B, which is reasonable (i.e., it is a bit on the green-side of "creamy yellow", and I would personally have guestimated 3B, or maybe a 2C at worse). FYI, see the flashlight wiki site for a tint chart.

    In any case, to give you an idea, I have done a series of comparisons using the two best-match white balances that I could find on my camera (i.e., the two that most closely matched what I saw by eye). Note that neither of these is "perfect", but together should give you a pretty good idea of what to expect in a comparison. FYI, I find my Cool White sample to have a very "premium" cool white.











    Again, I find my D40A Neutral to be a bit on the green-end of "creamy yellow" - although that may not be captured above, due to white balance differences. And I have no way to predict how that will show up on your graphics card/monitor - those are just the two best white balances on my camera, to my eyes.

    FYI, I personally prefer a slight rose-tint to my Neutrals (i.e., something more like a 4A/4B). I don't know what my Eagletac G25C2 XM-L Neutral white is, but it is closer to my preferred neutral. Again, here's a couple of the best white balances I could find:











    Again, no single white balance will exactly capture the difference you see by eye. But the two examples above should give you a rough idea of how things compare.

    UPDATE: I've just tested the output of the D40A Neutral White compared to my earlier Cool White sample. Here are the results from my ceiling bounce and lightbox:

    D40A Cool White: 211 ceiling bounce, 940 estimated lightbox lumens
    D40A Neutral White: 192 ceiling bounce, 840 estimated lightbox lumens.

    That works out to a 11% drop by lightbox lumens, and 9% drop by ceiling bounce. As a result, I'd feel pretty comfortable saying there was a ~10% drop in output on my Neutral version
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    As for tint of the new Neutral White, that is hard to describe or compare in pictures. Sunwayman doesn't report the tint bin. I have seen speculation here that it is 3B, which is reasonable (i.e., it is a bit on the green-side of "creamy yellow", and I would personally have guestimated 3B, or maybe a 2C at worse). FYI, see the flashlight wiki site for a tint chart.
    I agree with you there. In my post here: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post4257195

    My phone camera running FCamera was detecting the white balance as 4900K. It does this in steps of 100 but should it be 4900K, that converts to the chromaticity co-ordinates of 0.349 and 0.361. That puts it in the 3C bin on the chart (this one might be easier to read: http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cr.../XLampXMBL.pdf)

    Of course, the caveat is that the reading is done by the sensor that is in the Nokia N900 so who knows.

    On another matter, I'm so glad you went out and got one. I speculated as to what the max brightness was in my post but was having trouble converting it to your numbers. I did some ceiling bounces in a shower and I got 151.4 lux for the D40A NW. The other light that you and I have is the Fenix LD10 R4. I got 22.7 lux from that (max, don't have the other levels with me and can't remember them off the top of my head). That's when I got stuck working out your relative output values. Moot point, I'm sure we'll see numbers from you soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Floppy View Post
    On another matter, I'm so glad you went out and got one. I speculated as to what the max brightness was in my post but was having trouble converting it to your numbers. I did some ceiling bounces in a shower and I got 151.4 lux for the D40A NW. The other light that you and I have is the Fenix LD10 R4. I got 22.7 lux from that (max, don't have the other levels with me and can't remember them off the top of my head). That's when I got stuck working out your relative output values. Moot point, I'm sure we'll see numbers from you soon enough.
    Yes, I'll get to it soon. But keep in mind that there's no guarantee that my various light sensors will be completely consistent in how they interpret tint. This is always a potential confound when trying to estimate output from things that are using different tints (although my previous experience tells me that my lightmeters are pretty good for the cool/neutral end of the spectrum).
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    I've just tested the output of the D40A Neutral White compared to my earlier Cool White sample. Here are the results from my ceiling bounce and lightbox:

    D40A Cool White: 211 ceiling bounce, 940 estimated lightbox lumens
    D40A Neutral White: 192 ceiling bounce, 840 estimated lightbox lumens.

    That works out to a 11% drop by lightbox lumens, and 9% drop by ceiling bounce. As a result, I'd feel pretty comfortable saying there was a ~10% drop in output on my Neutral version.
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    Selfbuilt,
    I am debating between the GX25A3 or the D40 nuetral white versions. Which would you reccomend and why?
    thanks
    trevor

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncvarmint View Post
    Selfbuilt,
    I am debating between the GX25A3 or the D40 nuetral white versions. Which would you reccomend and why?
    thanks
    trevor
    I would take the D40A. I've both, and prefer the Sunwayman. Mode switching is easier and overall feeling is better.

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    Default Re: Sunwayman D40A (XM-L2, 4xAA) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO + more

    Got my D40A today. Great build quality, UI, cool white tint looks really nice to my eyes. Blows away the Nightcore EA4 in quality IMO. BTW, I returned 2 EA4's due to quality issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncvarmint View Post
    I am debating between the GX25A3 or the D40 nuetral white versions. Which would you reccomend and why?
    On the basis of tint, that would be hard to say (i.e., I don't know what is shipping with the GX25A3). I have typically liked the neutral tints I've seen from Eagletac, though.

    But as to the rest, that really comes down to your preference for user interface and build. Both are good quality lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    That works out to a 11% drop by lightbox lumens, and 9% drop by ceiling bounce. As a result, I'd feel pretty comfortable saying there was a ~10% drop in output on my Neutral version.
    Cool. That's not too bad. Would love to see how the sub levels compare too, only if you get around to it. Plus it gives me more points to plot when calibrating

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    Default Re: Sunwayman D40A (XM-L2, 4xAA) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO + more

    May i ask the NEW spring design in the head with Neutral white version only or Cool white also ?

    If yes where can i find this new version ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.444 View Post
    May i ask the NEW spring design in the head with Neutral white version only or Cool white also ?
    I don't know if the new spring is included on both the currently shipping cool white and neutral white versions, but I would think that is likely.

    You would need to ask the vendors directly to find out if their samples have the new spring or not. There may very well be older stock in the retail inventory channels still.
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    Default Re: Sunwayman D40A (XM-L2, 4xAA) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO + more

    sorry for the noob question but will this light accept 14500 batteries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDee View Post
    sorry for the noob question but will this light accept 14500 batteries?
    No it won't. The GX25A3 is the only multi-AA light that I know of that will take multiple 14500. And in any case, it doesn't benefit you any there - output, runtime and regulation are equivalent to standard Eneloops in that light.

    Folks are used to the brightness jump when switching to higher voltage cells in single cell lights - but well-designed multi-power, multi-cell lights typically don't see an output improvement on different voltage sources. And the actual power capacity of 14500 is no different than regular eneloops (i.e., multiply the mA current storage capacity by nominal voltage to get the true amount of work that can be done by the cells).

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    No it won't. The GX25A3 is the only multi-AA light that I know of that will take multiple 14500. And in any case, it doesn't benefit you any there - output, runtime and regulation are equivalent to standard Eneloops in that light.

    Folks are used to the brightness jump when switching to higher voltage cells in single cell lights - but well-designed multi-power, multi-cell lights typically don't see an output improvement on different voltage sources. And the actual power capacity of 14500 is no different than regular eneloops (i.e., multiply the mA current storage capacity by nominal voltage to get the true amount of work that can be done by the cells).

    And
    thank you. your review has sold me on this light. Good job.

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    Default Re: Sunwayman D40A (XM-L2, 4xAA) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO + more

    Great light, purchased one after reading selfbuilt's review and seeing the video.
    I like that it uses AA's.

    My D40A with diffuser:






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    Default Re: Sunwayman D40A (XM-L2, 4xAA) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO + more

    Silverspurr,

    Where did you get that diffuser? Homemade?

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    Default Re: Sunwayman D40A (XM-L2, 4xAA) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO + more

    Quote Originally Posted by dealgrabber2002 View Post
    Silverspurr,

    Where did you get that diffuser? Homemade?
    The silicone one, from a Chinese web site.

    This one I did make for my NiteCore EZAA, it's not soft silicone like the other.








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    Default Re: Sunwayman D40A (XM-L2, 4xAA) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO + more

    Quote Originally Posted by dealgrabber2002 View Post
    Silverspurr,

    Where did you get that diffuser? Homemade?
    One source for the Ř 40mm diffuser:

    http://intl-outdoor.com/white-soft-s...ser-p-300.html

    Cheers,

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    Hey Great review. Anytime I need a new torch I spend 30 mins here and I got the skinny on all the new stuff. I got one of these in da mail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverspurr View Post
    The silicone one, from a Chinese web site.

    This one I did make for my NiteCore EZAA, it's not soft silicone like the other.







    Did the same for my D40A, I used the bottom of a roll on deodorant bottle, perfect fit.

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    Well, I finally gave in and have bought the D40A NW. My first 'decent' torch.

    I always wanted something stupidly bright, but have managed to restrain myself up till now, and have had a succession of cheap lights.

    I fear that this is only the beginning!

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    Just got mine in the mail. worth every penny of 60 bucks!!!!!!

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    UPDATE: In case you were wondering, here is how the Sunwayman T45C compares to the Cool White version of the D40A. As you will see, there really isn't much of a beam pattern difference between these lights - as you would expect, based on their physical characteristics and my output/throw measures.



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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Would you please try fresh L91's in the "new" D40A to see if by lucky chance it handles them better now?

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    Self Built!!! Curse you for your excellently put together and well thought out yet infomatiative reviews!!! Your review on this light was one of the main contributing factors on why I now have a neutral tint one of these on order!! along with advice and help from other fourm members and some other well done reviews and a certain 26min video on youtube it all combined pushed me over the edge!!! I just hope this dose not become n expensive habbit!! (I also have a olight I3 on order and its not even arrived yet, yet I ordered this!
    I blame CPF for handing me the dope and whispering, "the first one's free....."
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    Its arrived, I have new spring, but was slightly bent, only slightly, so I think it will be fine.

    Oh came with some alkis for free not high end ones but not bad ones so I will use them before I use the nims I have, nimhs I have are not in best condition you see.

    Just oozes quality although I was slightly irked that it came home dry so glad I ordered some silicone greases at the same time, funny thing is though it says in user manual (comes perfectly greased) PMSL!!!.

    Ah well other than that I think its brillent in terms of build quality, can't wait to test it out tonight, only feature I think its missing is reverse polarity protection, can't see why it dosent have it on a light of this quality?

    But never the less I'm 98% happy with it from what I can see so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyMcEwen View Post
    ... only feature I think its missing is reverse polarity protection, can't see why it doesn't have it on a light of this quality?
    The carrier is bi-directional, so you mean reverse polarity within the carrier itself? I don't think you can protect against individually reversed cells without adding a number of diodes that cause a voltage drop.

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    Default Sunwayman D40A (XM-L2, 4xAA) Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS, VIDEO + more

    Congrats on receiving your new light AnthonyM...

    Quote Originally Posted by Disciple View Post
    The carrier is bi-directional, so you mean reverse polarity within the carrier itself? I don't think you can protect against individually reversed cells without adding a number of diodes that cause a voltage drop.
    You can... you just need a couple of non-conductive speed bumps on either side of the positive contact - that will allow button tops to slide in between, but prevent flat tops from making contact.

    Personally, I'm glad it doesn't have them though - makes it easier to run 9Vs in the light.

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    If you put cells the wrong way in the carrier or some the right way and some wrong then out it in your light would it not short the light though, reverse polarity protection in the light would stop this no? As you would not know they were in the carrier wrong until you put it in your light??

    I know the carrier can be instated any way, but the batterys still have to be put in the carrier the correct way or you would short the light when you installed the carrier into the light. (Unless it had revers polarity protection???). Or have I got it all wrong???


    Not that I deam it an issue as I always double cheack the batterys are correctly inserted but it dose mean I have to cheack and take my time to make sure I put them in correctly if I was in the dark before putting it in the light were as with protection I would put battery in the wrong way and it just won't work. Were as this would short.

    Dont get me wrong here I am very happy with the light, love the tint/build quality/UI ect. (Other than lack of greases. And small lanyard hole (550 para cord wont fit in jt and im hesitant to use a metak clip in cases it wears away at the hole) but these are not big issues at all as I can easily grease the light myself and have done and just wrap paracoed round the body instead of using the lanyard hole.

    Overall I'm very pleased with this light.
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