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    Archimedes,

    Thank you for your input and i think you are right. I will change the behavior to a freely cycling loop for both memory types for the upcoming HiveLD drivers.
    And also thank you very much for the appreciation of the programmability, its always great to see that

    As for a new HiveLD driver coming up...it is vapor at the moment as Don would maybe put it, but a pretty dense one for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by rush View Post
    As for a new HiveLD driver coming up...it is vapor at the moment as Don would maybe put it, but a pretty dense one for sure
    Hopefully it will re-materialize as a Haiku driver!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaichu dento View Post
    Hopefully it will re-materialize as a Haiku driver!
    +1 would love to see it happen!

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    Thanks again PSM! I just hooked mine up. I figured I would save folks some search and reading time and repost your awesome post from a few years back.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    Ok, so the wife and kids went to grandma's house. Time to program my AquaMule!!!

    If I can do this, anyone can, I AM NO MODDER!!! Pics taken with my iPhone through my SAK magnifying glass lol.

    Here's the jumper, the black channel going diagonal though that rectangle below the + battery contact separates the jumper, we need to bridge it with solder to access programming.



    Snip off a tiny piece of solder, and with tweezers (I used the ones off of the aforementioned SAK) place the small pre-cut piece of solder right in the black channel of the jumper.



    This time I used my solder knife, get it up to full heat, then very carefully with both hands just touch the piece of solder and it will melt into the channel. Or in my case just cover the whole thing.



    There ya go! Now you can access programming!

    I now have my AquaMule at 2200mA max.

    And low at level one, a real nice moon mode! I cant wait to use high mode tonight, high on 2200mA seems bright!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8stroke View Post
    Thanks again PSM! I just hooked mine up. I figured I would save folks some search and reading time and repost your awesome post from a few years back.
    And a timely post it is, too, with the recent news of an upcoming release of the Haiku version !
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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    And a timely post it is, too, with the recent news of an upcoming release of the Haiku version !
    Yeah! Been waiting to hear that news for a long, long, long, long time!!!
    I now have my AquaMule at 2200mA max. ...high on 2200mA seems bright!
    LOL
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    Yes, I haven't asked Don, but if I understand correctly, there is going to possible new version of HIVE driver in Haiku? I could be totally wrong??

    That would be really nice. Maybe we can "upgrade" our older Haiku with the newer driver? Very exciting McGizmo time for sure. The Haiku is such a classic I would really enjoy having programming flexibility in the stock format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8stroke View Post
    Yes, I haven't asked Don, but if I understand correctly, there is going to possible new version of HIVE driver in Haiku? I could be totally wrong??
    You are not wrong. Coming soon according to Don.

    I just want to know if it will work with CR123 cells as well as the RCRs.

    eala

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    Think I just answered my own question looking at Martin's web page. If the new driver is like the old one then CR cells won't work:

    Will primary lithium cells work as a backup?
    A single primary cell (CR123) has an open cell voltage of 3.2 V when full. While this is enough to run the driver, the low voltage output reduction will limit the output to the lowest level rather soon. Do NOT use 2 primary cells in series since the open cell voltage will likely damage the driver!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8stroke View Post
    Yes, I haven't asked Don, but if I understand correctly, there is going to possible new version of HIVE driver in Haiku? I could be totally wrong??

    That would be really nice. Maybe we can "upgrade" our older Haiku with the newer driver? Very exciting McGizmo time for sure. The Haiku is such a classic I would really enjoy having programming flexibility in the stock format.
    I never carry my Haiku anymore due to total lack of a low setting and the HIVE would definitely see it back into service in a big way!
    Quote Originally Posted by eala View Post
    You are not wrong. Coming soon according to Don.
    Great news and although I'm doubtful, it sure would be nice if we could have an upgrade option for our older Haiku as Str8 mentioned.

    Now to go back and read through what the range of options are with the HIVE UI...
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    Oh man really looking forward to this becoming available for the Haiku!

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    Rush, now that talk of putting the HIVE into the Haiku I've got one request that would really be great if you could add it in and that would be auto-shutoff so that accidental activation wouldn't be able to kill my battery. The main light I've been using for the past half year now has been my HDS lights because they're the only ones I can rely on never to have a dead battery due to accidental activation.
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    I would request a lower low, that doesn't use PWM on the Haiku version please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    I would request a lower low, that doesn't use PWM on the Haiku version please!
    + 1 on both points, and if PWM still proves to be too difficult to remover, at least get the rate of PWM up to 1,000hz or more, where it's just no longer detectable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaichu dento View Post
    + 1 on both points, and if PWM still proves to be too difficult to remover, at least get the rate of PWM up to 1,000hz or more, where it's just no longer detectable.
    I would be fine with that for sure, if PWM is unavoidable...
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    Being able to program low mode from 1ma - 15ma in 1ma increments would be nice.

    That range should satisfy the majority.

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    A Haiku (Or I'll be the first to say it... A MULE! ) with a true moonlight available would be

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    As Don has already announced, a Hive driver for the "E series light engines" is soon to be available, yea!

    There will be some similarities to the HiveLD-P in the Aqua lights but differences as well.
    - For one the input voltage range goes down lower, to 2V actually. Hence it will also run with CR123 and 2xAA alkalines. The low voltage reduction threshold can be set to match those chemistries through the setup.
    - The maximum output current (accessible through the setup) will be 1200 mA, which is quite a lot i. e. for the Haiku
    - The lowest output levels still use PWM, but i have increased the PWM frequency to 650 Hz, so it will be less visible
    - The lowest possible output current is at about 3 ...6 mA, a real moonlight unfortunately isn't possible with the circuit as it is, maybe in a future version some time

    The suggestion of an auto-shutoff is good, i can see that being useful for some. The features are set for now for the new driver but again maybe in a future version this could be added. Please feel free to make suggestions and also to comment on them. If a feature is more widely requested it of course makes more sense to implement it.

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    Default HIVE McG converter used in the Aqua line of lights.

    Any chance pwm can be increased to beyond 1khz? Is there a limit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rush View Post
    ....for a twisty or a McGizmo clicky that operates quite predictably, we could go for the freely cycling interface for both the persistent and volatile mode. Don once mentioned the same as you did by the way.
    Anybody else wanting to chime in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rush View Post
    Archimedes,

    Thank you for your input and i think you are right. I will change the behavior to a freely cycling loop for both memory types for the upcoming HiveLD drivers....
    Quote Originally Posted by rush View Post
    As Don has already announced, a Hive driver for the "E series light engines" is soon to be available, yea!
    .... Please feel free to make suggestions and also to comment on them. If a feature is more widely requested it of course makes more sense to implement it.
    I do hope the freely cycling mode "loop" will be available in this version ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    I do hope the freely cycling mode "loop" will be available in this version ....
    +1

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    Archimedes and KDM,
    the freely cycling level switching mode is implemented indeed and can be configured through the setup. The default is still the memory mode as before.

    Gunga,
    A higher PWM frequency unfortunately currently isn't possible as this causes the output to be less visually stable. Very low outputs (moon mode) was not a top priority at this point, but maybe for a future redesign of the driver i can drop the PWM and achieve very low output currents. This is however challenging at least.

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    Great, thanks.
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    has anyone run into problems running this thing at 2.2amps constantly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jso902 View Post
    has anyone run into problems running this thing at 2.2amps constantly?
    Nope. My AquaMule Modded by Vinh to a CRI XML2 runs pretty regularly on 2.2A. Of course when it gets hot I'll back off, but there is plenty of mass to let it run awhile. I wouldn't tailstand it for an hour at 2.2A though..
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    Default Re: HIVE McG converter used in the Aqua line of lights.

    im curious as to why there wasn't more emphasis place on having better quality low modes on this newer E-series line. from what ive gathered the past year or so researching mcgizmo lights is the lack of a true low mode is the number one gripe of otherwise perfectly happy customers. perhaps its a case of "the vocal minority"? a PWM frequency of 650 Hz is still too slow in my opinion. does anyone know what the PWM frequency currently is on the 3S converters on low?

    that criticism aside, it is good to know that a higher output haiku/sundrop/mule is now on the horizon. ive been on the fence with the sundrop for the past year now. the reason i never pulled the trigger is that with the nature of the beam, at 660ma i was concerned that perhaps it wouldnt be enough light in a given time when needed. rush, can you comment what the factory mode settings will be on these?

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    Default HIVE McG converter used in the Aqua line of lights.

    Yep. Very cool converter. I always use low moonlight modes (2 mA, maybe less) and much higher freq pwm. So this is not ideal for my uses. Very good circuit otherwise. Cool features.

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    Default Re: HIVE McG converter used in the Aqua line of lights.

    Of course I agree that both a lower low output and no PWM or a faster PWM are desirable and have been requested by some. Further improvements will require careful optimizations of the driver hardware and that was out of scope this time unfortunately. I hope to eventually have a revised hardware that can achieve this.
    For now the 650Hz PWM on output levels below about 15 mA is a necessary compromise that is admittedly not ideal but still an improvement over the current 3S drivers IMHO.

    The default output currents of the new driver are going to be 12 - 114 - 391 - 1000 mA. You can set the maximum to 1200 mA through the setup and set the lowest to about 3 ... 6 mA as i had outlined above.

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    Default Re: HIVE McG converter used in the Aqua line of lights.

    Will there be any soldering required to activate the programming?
    Is there an ETA on when this driver will be available?
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    Default Re: HIVE McG converter used in the Aqua line of lights.

    Yes there is a bridge to close to activate the setup, however it is located on the contact board of the light engine, so less delicate to solder. You can also close it quite reliably with graphite using a pencil.
    Don will have to comment on the ETA, but it should be soon.

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