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    Thatís great Bob!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ampdude View Post
    No, I'm not concerned. I'm just wondering if he can get me some FF3 and possibly FF4 lenses to ad to my order if I order some spare bulbs.

    My FF3 lense has the typical fogging issue. And I love this light and the size otherwise. And it's always good to have a spare couple lenses if it gets dropped hard or something too.
    Neil just FB messaged me that he did get a spare lens for the FF4, but not FF3. He wants you to contact him as he is saving it for you.

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    Just got mine and all the spare parts. This is dramatically brighter than FF4!

    Also the battery carriers are the same as for FF3 & FF4

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    Thanks a lot Lux! I just sent Neil an email. I received my shipment as well today!
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    I received my 6000k FF5 today and all the accessories . Its great. Comparing both the 6000k and the 4300k there is definitely a bit of difference. The 6000k is closer to neutral white. it makes the warmth of the 4300k really stand out. I prefer the 4300k but like both.
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    Iím guessing the 6000 is brighter on a practical basis.

    When I just compared the high setting compared to the FF4, it seemed like it was twice as bright and dramatically more throw. I didnít expect this much of a surprising increased performance, but honestly it blows the earlier models away.

    Although it is larger in width, length, and weight, I like how the longer body gives your hand a more secure grip. The FF4 was too short for your whole hand to grip the body.

    This is a must buy for this reasonable price for any serious flashaholic.

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    Yes, I found the FF3 to be the perfect coat pocket rocket size, while the FF5 is handheld beast that we all wanted. The FF4 is somewhere in between and fills a nitch on a belt holster.

    I really like that I don't have to worry about battery carriers for any of these anymore. I'll probably start using them more, none of my Firefoxes have seen much use from me.
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    Alex, I assume you meant 4300K, not 3400K. And the 6000K is really a 5500K as marked on my lamp base. So the two are not far apart from each other. Being 5500K, it should be brighter than the 4300K. 5500K is about the peak brightness and it begins to taper off going up from there. I call 5500K "Diamond White" and it's my sweet spot.
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    6000K VS 4300K

    Not a huge difference but its noticeable. First photo and last two show it the best. The rest not so much. The camera kept adjusting. Its more noticeable then the rest of the photos suggest. I like both Tints. Fire-Foxes nailed it with these lights. The only two suggestions i have for them is proper bulb alignment. The second one i got the 6000k version has the bulb is not perfectly aligned. its not that bad. The beam is just slightly off from perfect but hardly noticeable. Not worth trying to fix. The next thing is the clear Orings that come on the light. THEY SUCK. an oring in the tailcap on the first sample i got broke just by opening the tailcap for the first time and the second sample one overstretched beyond saving on the head and tailcap. The grease they use sucks as well. I cleaned all the threads and replaced the orings that broke and regressed with high quality synthetic grease. Regressing makes the thread smoothness way better. The diffusers are awesome. Turns it into a awesome flood light.



    Right 6000K Left 4300K
    20200814_004536 by Alex Littig, on Flickr

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    20200814_004833 by Alex Littig, on Flickr

    4300K
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    Diffuser filter

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    20200814_005455 by Alex Littig, on Flickr


    Last edited by Alex1234; 08-13-2020 at 11:34 PM.
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    Alex, great beamshots. We need to do a FF3, 4, & 5 in sequence.

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    That is awesome, what type of o-rings did you replace them with? I haven't taken a tailcap off yet. I'd like to do a FF3, 4, & 5 next to each other in one photo, but I don't have enough batteries and the best camera I have is on a phone from 2016.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ampdude View Post
    That is awesome, what type of o-rings did you replace them with? I haven't taken a tailcap off yet. I'd like to do a FF3, 4, & 5 next to each other in one photo, but I don't have enough batteries and the best camera I have is on a phone from 2016.

    I just replaced them with the black orings that come with the light. They seam better then the clear ones that came on the ff5
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    Quote Originally Posted by ampdude View Post
    That is awesome, what type of o-rings did you replace them with? I haven't taken a tailcap off yet. I'd like to do a FF3, 4, & 5 next to each other in one photo, but I don't have enough batteries and the best camera I have is on a phone from 2016.
    There are lots of places to get a cheap box of assorted o-rings

    https://www.mcmaster.com/93135K31/

    https://www.applerubber.com/products...saAp9CEALw_wcB

    Or search for ďassorted o ringsĒ on Amazon. Like this box of 1200 rings for $20.
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    My 4300k ff5 is slightly better focused then my 6000k ff5. To my eyes the throw on both dont look much different. I get a higher ceiling bounce number with the 6000K but I only measure 900KCD with the 6000K version and a whopping 1.1 - 1.2 MCD with the 4300K version. Its kinda odd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    My 4300k ff5 is slightly better focused then my 6000k ff5. To my eyes the throw on both dont look much different. I get a higher ceiling bounce number with the 6000K but I only measure 900KCD with the 6000K version and a whopping 1.1 - 1.2 MCD with the 4300K version. Its kinda odd
    I don't think that's too odd. A focus that's even slightly off will most definitely affect the beam and the concentration of the hot spot. Another thing to consider (though I don't think it's happening here) is that wavelengths that are lower (longer?) in the spectrum tend to get scattered less as it travels through the air, and so technically, warmer tinted lights should be able to throw further. It's actually kind of evident in your distance shots. Again, I don't think its enough to reduce the candela by 200k, but it could be contributing to it.
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    badtzicool, would you post a side-by-side pic of the hotspots/corona of your two lights in the same photo against the same color background, like a white garage door or? The reason being, I have got my new second 6000K version and it's color measures only 4500K (on high) using my highly accurate Sekonic c-7000 meter and it looks identical to my first light. The ceramic base is marked 5500K, so not a 4300K nor a 6000K. Even though its marked 5500K, it measures only 4500K. I'm beginning to think there is only one version - the "4300K".

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    Hi there BVH.

    Unfortunately I do not have both versions. Alex1234 is the one that has both versions and I believe he has the ď6000kĒ version up for sale, so I donít know if he still has it. But from the pics heís posted, there is a temp difference between the two.

    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    badtzicool, would you post a side-by-side pic of the hotspots/corona of your two lights in the same photo against the same color background, like a white garage door or? The reason being, I have got my new second 6000K version and it's color measures only 4500K (on high) using my highly accurate Sekonic c-7000 meter and it looks identical to my first light. The ceramic base is marked 5500K, so not a 4300K nor a 6000K. Even though its marked 5500K, it measures only 4500K. I'm beginning to think there is only one version - the "4300K".

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    Opps, mis-read the posts. All I had to do is look up at Alex's shots. I'm not seeing a difference in the two in the above pics other than in the first beam photo only shot. The rest, to me, don't represent a 4300K v 5500K. But these are photos, not real life. Guess I'll have to be happy with what they are.
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    Thereís one photo in Alex1234 sales post that probably shows the color difference the best. I think it might be what youíre looking for. https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...LD)&highlight=

    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    Opps, mis-read the posts. All I had to do is look up at Alex's shots. I'm not seeing a difference in the two in the above pics other than in the first beam photo only shot. The rest, to me, don't represent a 4300K v 5500K. But these are photos, not real life. Guess I'll have to be happy with what they are.
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    Fire Fox FF5 VS the MT90VN+ Spec C beamshots

    my Lux Measurements
    FF5: 1.2MCD
    MT90VN+ 3.3 MCD


    The Mt90VN+ is one hell of a light. It can run turbo indefinitely without step down. after 10 minutes on turbo its just slightly warm. the k75vn on the other hand gets scolding hot after 2 minutes lol. ceiling bounce shows the MT90Vn+ spec C a smidge brigher at turn on. output drops quick on the K75vn as it gets hot but the MT90vn+ barley drops. Its quite impressive and this is without the fan. I dont even think it would get warm at all if you used the fan.I have never had a LED light with this kind of performance where i did not have to worry about step down or heat. CD to dollar ratio is crazy here. Its just over 5000 kcd per dollar. There is no HID light that i know of that can beat this for the price. The Lemax LX70 superpower head will beat it but its over $3000 maybe even more. I think the super head does like 4.5 mcd(4250 meters) if i remember correctly. Its only like 1000 kcd per dollar give or take depending on price.


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    Wow that thing's a monster. Looks like a caveman club. Nice throw with that huge reflector, but 5700K looks terrible though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ampdude View Post
    Wow that thing's a monster. Looks like a caveman club. Nice throw with that huge reflector, but 5700K looks terrible though.
    Tint to my eyes is actually nice. Its definitely closer to neutral white to my eyes. No blue at all. That said the ff5's output color is definitely superior. But for an led the tint on the MT90VN is quite nice imo the ff5s awsome tint is just making the mt90vn seam worse then it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    Tint to my eyes is actually nice. Its definitely closer to neutral white to my eyes. No blue at all. That said the ff5's output color is definitely superior. But for an led the tint on the MT90VN is quite nice imo the ff5s awsome tint is just making the mt90vn seam worse then it is.
    I've been going back on forth on LED tints lately. Normally a 3500K guy. Most of the "4000K" ones I've tried, that most people prefer, like the Nichia 219's are a bit too cold for my taste, if only slightly. I ordered a few Coast lights that I've tried out here in the house and ironically the 5000K one that I thought I would hate the most is the one I like the best, because I think it puts out enough efficient light to make up for the difference. I just don't like it when LED's put a lot of wasted blue light. The trade off with LED's always seems to be that you have a lower power input, but you need a much larger light to compensate for throw if there's not an optic like an aspherical lense. I'd like an FF6 in that size in 200W 4300K. Now we got something to compare. More power hungry than the LED it will be no doubt, but who cares. We got power these days! In these size lights it's not about saving power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ampdude View Post
    I've been going back on forth on LED tints lately. Normally a 3500K guy. Most of the "4000K" ones I've tried, that most people prefer, like the Nichia 219's are a bit too cold for my taste, if only slightly. I ordered a few Coast lights that I've tried out here in the house and ironically the 5000K one that I thought I would hate the most is the one I like the best, because I think it puts out enough efficient light to make up for the difference. I just don't like it when LED's put a lot of wasted blue light. The trade off with LED's always seems to be that you have a lower power input, but you need a much larger light to compensate for throw if there's not an optic like an aspherical lense. I'd like an FF6 in that size in 200W 4300K. Now we got something to compare. More power hungry than the LED it will be no doubt, but who cares. We got power these days! In these size lights it's not about saving power.
    A turbo head FF6 with say a 6 or 8 inch head would throw 4- 5 MCD. Id buy 2 of them
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    I finished installing my replacement ballast yesterday and successfully fired up my original light that I damaged. This is not a job for the casual flashlight enthusiast.
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    Alex, the mt90ís beam is awesome, but that massive size and front heavy design make it not worth it, IMHO. Same reason I didnít bother with the super head on the Lemax.

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    Alex: Great shots and comparison's. Hopefully we'll get to compare them all to my SuperPower and LX50 sometime this fall.

    SuperPower front heavy?............just a tad, but, ohhh sooo worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledhead View Post
    Alex: Great shots and comparison's. Hopefully we'll get to compare them all to my SuperPower and LX50 sometime this fall.

    SuperPower front heavy?............just a tad, but, ohhh sooo worth it!
    cant wait. I think the MT90VN+ will keep up with the super power somewhat.
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    What did you encounter that made the repair more difficult? Iím curious because I imagine I will need to replace the bulb at some point and would like to know what I could be potentially dealing with.

    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    I finished installing my replacement ballast yesterday and successfully fired up my original light that I damaged. This is not a job for the casual flashlight enthusiast.
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