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    Ok, I could go a little over if necessary. I don't want a pinpoint nor a flood. Something in between with decent midrange spill. At one time 100,000 cd was HID or quarter sized beam at 100 yards with no spill. Now lots of lights offer spill and throw. Looking for a decent one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. No mods please including Maglite mods. Looking for a factory model, preferably just low, med, High but other modes tolerable as long as blinky modes hidden. Prefer at least the option of cr123 use. I don't like li ions in car during heat of summer nor cold of winter. Thanks for your suggestions.

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    Default Re: 100,000 + cd with decent spill under $100

    100Kcd is still a lot ... have you considered the Dereelight NightMaster NM800 ?
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    Will have to look it up. To be honest I've never heard of it. Thanks

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    Default Re: 100,000 + cd with decent spill under $100

    Dereelight nm800 is aspheric. = pinpoint spot and 0 spill, I believe its probably something you were asking to avoid.

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    Default Re: 100,000 + cd with decent spill under $100

    The Thrunite TN32 throws 191,000 cd. The beam is certainly that of a thrower but I believe it has some spill too.

    The Thrunite TN35 throws 67,000 cd but in doing so has a massive spill and lights everything up in a broad field of view whilst throwing this distance. Its output is 2650 lumens!

    I would imagine that one of these lights would fulfil your criteria well. From selfbuilt's reviews they are very high quality and a lot of bang for the buck although they're over $100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmperSand View Post
    Dereelight nm800 is aspheric. = pinpoint spot and 0 spill, I believe its probably something you were asking to avoid.
    Yes, thanks. No interest in aspherics. Go with bigger head to get spill and lux. I think the tk75 might meet my specs but there must be others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    The Thrunite TN32 throws 191,000 cd. The beam is certainly that of a thrower but I believe it has some spill too.

    The Thrunite TN35 throws 67,000 cd but in doing so has a massive spill and lights everything up in a broad field of view whilst throwing this distance. Its output is 2650 lumens!

    I would imagine that one of these lights would fulfil your criteria well. From selfbuilt's reviews they are very high quality and a lot of bang for the buck although they're over $100.
    No, I'd need both of them to fill my needs. I want spill and distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    No, I'd need both of them to fill my needs. I want spill and distance.
    That's going to be a very tall order then.
    The TN32 does have some spill and the TN35 throws pretty far considering how much spill it has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    That's going to be a very tall order then.
    The TN32 does have some spill and the TN35 throws pretty far considering how much spill it has.
    I've copied the tk75 specs and beamshot shows good spill. Perhaps it is unique.

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    imho the tk75 has got to be one of the best all round lights,good throw and flood,light for its size too.
    As suggested the tn35 has good throw and flood but from 1 led the mtg2 so a more neutral tint.

    Why would you not consider mods,the tk75vn(4400lm) and tn35vn (3500lm)would certainly fulfil your requirements,vinhs works is excellent along with customer service(no 6+week wait if any issue back to china! ) just some thing to bare in mind .The tk75vn KT version is pretty much everyone's fav vinh light,de-domed so around 300kcd as well as floody. Its not just current bumps,better heat sinking,beefed up carrier too so an all round better package. Only thoughts

    The tk61 does have some flood even though its a thrower,not too sure on the standard tk61 but the tk61vn is a beast.

    I do think you will struggle within budget being honest.............unless get a bargain in the marketplace.

    tk75vn in misty conditions and camera on auto so balances the light.............down so a lot brighter in real life


    tk61vn at around 1700lm,awesome throw,but usable flood too


    close up pic of the tk61vn


    Cant comment on the tn32 as dont own,but the tk75 and tn35 i am sure would satisfy your needs,just maybe not in the cost department.

    If i had to pick out of the tk75 and tn35 the tk75 pips it for me........just.
    Different UI, so control ring on the tn35,power and mode buttons on the tk75.

    Its the budget that restricts and no mods,as i would say tk75vn KT would be the perfect light for you.

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    If you can get TK75's for under $100, go get'm, nice lights.




    BTW - Do you MEAN "spill" or do you mean that you want the BEAM to have some width to it?

    Spill is simply the UNFOCUSED light that misses the reflector and "spills" out in a small pool surrounding the flashlight.

    The CORONA is the part that looks like a donut surrounding the hot spot on a white wall, but, which outdoors, is simply the fat part of the beam that lights up stuff between you and the distance where only the hot spot is still hitting.

    Spill in of itself is not that useful....but the corona can be very useful as it fills in details on the way out to the hot spot's range.

    Do you really mean corona?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEEJ View Post
    If you can get TK75's for under $100, go get'm, nice lights.


    +1 for sure

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    Obviously the mod is better but then no warranty at all. It also takes price even further away from $ goal. I never send to China. I send to dealer. My lights tend to break in the first few weeks or not at all

    No tk75 knock offs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    Obviously the mod is better but then no warranty at all. It also takes price even further away from $ goal. I never send to China. I send to dealer. My lights tend to break in the first few weeks or not at all

    No tk75 knock offs?
    Sweet, if I drop the poorly made ones, they tend to break, no matter how long since purchased.

    If yours don't break when dropped after a given time, you are very lucky.



    On the plus side, the TK's are pretty tough, and, tend not to break when dropped within reason (The larger the light, the harder it hits when it lands, so, the harder it is to survive drops)


    If considering a Vinh light, as he TOUGHENS the light by upgrading components, adding solder and stronger connections, thicker wires, etc....AND he fixes them w/o a question if there's a problem, I trust HIS "warranty" more than a factory one.


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    I rarely drop a light. Vin light adds $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEEJ View Post
    If you can get TK75's for under $100, go get'm, nice lights.




    BTW - Do you MEAN "spill" or do you mean that you want the BEAM to have some width to it?

    Spill is simply the UNFOCUSED light that misses the reflector and "spills" out in a small pool surrounding the flashlight.

    The CORONA is the part that looks like a donut surrounding the hot spot on a white wall, but, which outdoors, is simply the fat part of the beam that lights up stuff between you and the distance where only the hot spot is still hitting.

    Spill in of itself is not that useful....but the corona can be very useful as it fills in details on the way out to the hot spot's range.

    Do you really mean corona?
    I can't. Hoping for a cheaper alternatve

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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    I rarely drop a light. Vin light adds $.
    He adds VALUE, but, if you are staying under $100, that light, stock or modified, is not an option.

    Is it a strong corona and hot spot you're looking for? (Like a TK75?)

    The older (Larger) TK70 MIGHT be around, and it has MORE throw than the TK75, and a very similar beam pattern...and is discounted as its a discontinued model.

    Also - A used light would be a great option for you, as its also discounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    Obviously the mod is better but then no warranty at all. It also takes price even further away from $ goal. I never send to China. I send to dealer. My lights tend to break in the first few weeks or not at all

    No tk75 knock offs?

    Vinh backs his work up better than fenix by a long way,you have an issue,he sorts it. I have 100% confidence in vinh,probably 50% dealing with Fenix tbh,less with other brands...........

    Skyrays are cheap,trying to get a good one or genuine if there is one are good value for money.Around $40-$50 ish,more like a tm11,more biased towards flood over throw but still impressive between 1500-2000 guestimated lumens from the 3 leds in shallow reflectors.

    There is the blackshadow terminator,sure there is a more updated recent version.........
    Around the 3500lm mark,how accurate that is i dont know
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...minator-Review

    Similar..........ish to a tm26 without oled .

    Struggling a little after those lights......

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    Default Re: 100,000 + cd with decent spill under $100

    Getting a true 100k cd is the limiting factor at that price point.... if you want a floody beam to go that far.

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    Default Re: 100,000 + cd with decent spill under $100

    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    Ok, I could go a little over if necessary. I don't want a pinpoint nor a flood. Something in between with decent midrange spill. At one time 100,000 cd was HID or quarter sized beam at 100 yards with no spill. Now lots of lights offer spill and throw. Looking for a decent one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. No mods please including Maglite mods. Looking for a factory model, preferably just low, med, High but other modes tolerable as long as blinky modes hidden. Prefer at least the option of cr123 use. I don't like li ions in car during heat of summer nor cold of winter. Thanks for your suggestions.
    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    100Kcd is still a lot ... have you considered the Dereelight NightMaster NM800 ?
    Quote Originally Posted by AmperSand View Post
    Dereelight nm800 is aspheric. = pinpoint spot and 0 spill, I believe its probably something you were asking to avoid.
    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    Yes, thanks. No interest in aspherics. Go with bigger head to get spill and lux. I think the tk75 might meet my specs but there must be others.
    I was thinking defocused aspheric, yes, sorry.

    So ... you are wanting >100,000 cd (throw) ... and "decent spill" (flood) ... and < $100 ... and stock NOT modded ... NOT Li-Ion ... NOT HID ... NOT optic / aspheric (huge reflector only) ... ???

    Perhaps not impossible, but I agree that may be a challenge
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    The cr123 is not crucial, just a nice add on. As for price, yes I would love to get around 100 on some knock off but if tk75 is the only one that meets my specs I will watch for sales and get one as cheaply as possible. The killer is adding 4 high quality li ion to the deal. Just have to remember not to leave it in the car on sunny hot days or days in which temp is in single digits.

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    I couldn't find cd rating for terminator but looks more like a flood and isn't much cheaper than tk75

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    Nothing like the tk75 in an olight? It does seem most lights are either all flood or all throw in design. HID are just too big and expensive and the bulbs blow

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    Default Re: 100,000 + cd with decent spill under $100

    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    The cr123 is not crucial, just a nice add on. As for price, yes I would love to get around 100 on some knock off but if tk75 is the only one that meets my specs I will watch for sales and get one as cheaply as possible. The killer is adding 4 high quality li ion to the deal. Just have to remember not to leave it in the car on sunny hot days or days in which temp is in single digits.
    I have never had a problem with lights/cells in a hot car/cold car. It goes both below zero, and over 100 F around here, so, maybe not arctic/death valley in range, but, single to triple digits, no problem.

    You might be over thinking the issue?

    If your temp ranges are more extreme, and when those ranges might be an issue, sure, take the spare cells in with you. It will never hurt at least (Unless you forget to take them back out to the car again, etc...)



    Plan B - When I first used these, I used to use a cooler (Ice box) to keep every thing in (I needed a case, so I just used a cooler as the case).

    Things in an insulated box don't get as hot, or as cool, as the rest of the car...strongly moderating the temperature swings.


    A small insulated lunch box for example has more than enough room for spare cells, etc....and for lights under ~ a foot long or so. A slightly larger cooler can fit almost any sized lights, and so forth.

    Food for thought.

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    Some cops in town had li ions vent in trunk of police car in summer and it made the news. They were taken to e. R. But were fine.
    Cooler a good idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    Some cops in town had li ions vent in trunk of police car in summer and it made the news. They were taken to e. R. But were fine.
    Cooler a good idea
    Where was that at?

    Where they using Li - ion primary such as CR123?

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    Who knows? News reports were sketchy. They spoke of acrid fumes from trunk. It was in Cambridge, MA several years ago. No fire. Just fumes. Story dropped fast since no injuries sustained. Heck, I suppose it could have been pepper spray or something else. At the time I thought li ion.
    Could have been cr 123 primaries too I suppose but I never heard of them leaking
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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    Who knows? News reports were sketchy. They spoke of acrid fumes from trunk. It was in Cambridge, MA several years ago. No fire. Just fumes. Story dropped fast since no injuries sustained. Heck, I suppose it could have been pepper spray or something else. At the time I thought li ion.
    Could have been cr 123 primaries too I suppose but I never heard of them leaking
    123 primaries are the MOST COMMON to go off actually, historically.


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    Oh, I bet that's what it was then. Not many police officers used li ion 5 years ago. I always thought li ion were more sensitive to heat. I've carried cr123 primaries in my car through heat and cold for years, since my first Surefire
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    Default Re: 100,000 + cd with decent spill under $100

    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    ....HID are just too big and expensive and the bulbs blow
    Have you looked at the Fire-Foxes ?

    Yes, it is HID, and yes it's over $100, but is still fairly compact and has massive lumens, crazy throw, and generous spill.

    Mean burn time for the bulb, though, I don't know
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