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    You just can't make this stuff up!!

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    $2820 for 4500 Lumens vrs about $2500 for 7500 Lumens and two power levels for a Xeray LeMax. Not a difficult decision for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    $2820 for 4500 Lumens vrs about $2500 for 7500 Lumens and two power levels for a Xeray LeMax. Not a difficult decision for me.
    Its not a difficult decision for me neither as it will be the Surefire..
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    Quote Originally Posted by 880arm View Post
    ARC3 Ultra-High Single-Output 4500 lumens $1300 (Was 2000 lumens. Maybe a typo?)
    That's interesting. 4500lm would actually make a lot more sense for a light of this size and only 50 mins runtime. It looks to be using 6 x 18650 in the handle compared to the ARC-2 8C which presumably uses 8 x 18650 and has 80 mins runtime. If this is the case then the ARC-3 is looking better all the time and at less than half the price of the ARC-2 is a real "bargain".

    I'm getting really bored of seeing all these new compact LED flood monster/ hand burner lights so the ARC-3 is a breath of fresh air. We'll have to wait and see what the actual price ends up being when it goes on sale (probably 2015).
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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyboy View Post
    That's interesting. 4500lm would actually make a lot more sense for a light of this size and only 50 mins runtime. It looks to be using 6 x 18650 in the handle compared to the ARC-2 8C which presumably uses 8 x 18650 and has 80 mins runtime. If this is the case then the ARC-3 is looking better all the time and at less than half the price of the ARC-2 is a real "bargain".

    I'm getting really bored of seeing all these new compact LED flood monster/ hand burner lights so the ARC-3 is a breath of fresh air. We'll have to wait and see what the actual price ends up being when it goes on sale (probably 2015).
    Prices are already listed on the SF Website and looks like 1st of November. Arc-2 for me..I wonder how much more the 120min battery will cost over the 80 min one?
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    I'd love to have one, but I can't just own one light only, so I'd have to purchase 2.

    I want to be able to use one for a week or so before plunking down $1500 for one torch much less 3K for two.
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    I think this thing weighs like 5 pounds! lol Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    You should consider as well, the XeRay XV-LX70 (50/70 watt) from XeVision (a USA company). About 7500 lumens on the high setting. It has an equally high build quality and it produces far more lumens than either of these you mentioned. Some well respected members here have tested it, with outstanding results. I am sure someone will comment.
    Also it is in serial production NOW.
    Quote Originally Posted by bulbmogul View Post
    Whom sells these on the retail level? Dealers?
    Sorry, I missed this question quite some time ago. Back in August of this year, in this thread.
    You can only buy directly from the USA manufacturer (XeVision) for North American Markets etc. (American Continents).
    For European markets, you can contact Lemax (Czech mfg.) directly.

    At this time XeVision does not sell through dealers. In the future that could change.
    XeVision is the manufacturer of the ballast electronics used for the USA builds, as well as the ballast in the Czech builds.
    The Electroformed reflectors are also of USA origin in both locations. The bulbs are ALL (both locations) of European origins, not ASIAN made.
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    Anyone think this will be on the shelves before Christmas 2014..? Just love the look of this beast..
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    Any scoop on when these might be forsale in USA..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulbmogul View Post
    Any scoop on when these might be forsale in USA..?
    Vaporware from Surefire, is my bet. That's often been the case with surefire, on very limited market items.

    Way behind the "power curve"(watts) and even later to market, They are at least a few years behind the curve on this product.
    I doubt they can ever recapture a leadership position, in this very limited market niche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketRocket View Post
    No offence but given that you have been promoting your light in the thread of a competing product how seriously do you expect us to take you?

    The UDR Dominator was in "prototype" phase for as long if not longer than the Arc-2/3 and it was eventually released. And considering the fact that SureFire has recently updated their website with new photos of the Arc-2/3 with several design improvements I'm actually a lot more hopeful that the Arc-2/3 will one day be released. A lot more hopeful than I was with the UDR Dominator, that's for sure. This is also not counting the several changes in specifications SureFire had committed to the light over the past twelve months.

    Also while the Arc-3 is lower in output versus the XeRay it is also proportionately lower in price. Just because someone is able to spend USD 1,300.00 (MSRP) on a light doesn't mean they're willing to spend almost twice that on another product even if the other product is twice as good, simplistically speaking.
    All very valid points on your part, time will tell.
    The market is so small for such products, its doubtful they will make a "batch" without a large order from somewhere. When and if that happens, they will make extras to sell to the public.

    I have been with CPF for a very long time, actually longer than 2006 actually 2005. I have always stated my views irrespective of them appearing to be self promoting, I state my opinions as such and then also state facts as such. Those who have been here a long time know that. I try very hard to be fair.

    How they claim "Ultra High" output is beyond me, both of those lights are only 45 watt HID. There have been 50 watt units available from others for many years. if that's Ultra high output, then what is 50 watt or even more-so 70 or even 80 watt HID. Well for that performance and build quality (ARC-3 compared to the 2). There are better options out there. Cost to utility and quality factors at less than 20% of that cost. Firefoxes FF4 case in point, for less than $300 can be had. Seems like the most bang for the buck and 60 watts for 3 minutes before it throttles back. The XeVision XeRay, even the 35/50 model will outperform either of the ARC units on every single spec point. The ARC 2 is more expensive than our 50/70 including their battery and the battery price is nothing short of outrageous. $1300 for just the battery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketRocket View Post
    No offence but given that you have been promoting your light in the thread of a competing product how seriously do you expect us to take you?

    The UDR Dominator was in "prototype" phase for as long if not longer than the Arc-2/3 and it was eventually released. And considering the fact that SureFire has recently updated their website with new photos of the Arc-2/3 with several design improvements I'm actually a lot more hopeful that the Arc-2/3 will one day be released. A lot more hopeful than I was with the UDR Dominator, that's for sure. This is also not counting the several changes in specifications SureFire had committed to the light over the past twelve months.

    Also while the Arc-3 is lower in output versus the XeRay it is also proportionately lower in price. Just because someone is able to spend USD 1,300.00 (MSRP) on a light doesn't mean they're willing to spend almost twice that on another product even if the other product is twice as good, simplistically speaking.
    Pocketrocket, I concur with you and everytime I ask about the Surefire Arc2 . I get some spew about other lights. if I wanted to buy other lights I would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulbmogul View Post
    Pocketrocket, I concur with you and every time I ask about the Surefire Arc2 . I get some spew about other lights. if I wanted to buy other lights I would.
    There is no point in asking when its gonna be available, when its for sale you will likely be one of the first to know. And can buy it and announce your purchase here.

    Ever since PK left (a few years ago) Surefire and his expertise with it, things have not been the same and likely never will be again, he was the primary creativity behind Surefire.
    When he left, much of the brand loyalty he had developed, left with him. A lot of people here knew him and respected him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    There is no point in asking when its gonna be available, when its for sale you will likely be one of the first to know. And can buy it and announce your purchase here.

    Ever since PK left (a few years ago) Surefire and his expertise with it, things have not been the same and likely never will be again, he was the primary creativity behind Surefire.
    When he left, much of the brand loyalty he had developed, left with him. A lot of people here knew him and respected him.
    Yes I sure do look forward to owning one and ofcoarse pictures of it on here would be posted. Dont others post pictures of there new lights?
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    Just got off of the phone with Surefire and they hd told me this flashlight will be shipping and some of the big dealers will have them within 2 weeks. Whom is considered the large dealers or dealers whom may carry this light?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulbmogul View Post
    Just got off of the phone with Surefire and they hd told me this flashlight will be shipping and some of the big dealers will have them within 2 weeks. Whom is considered the large dealers or dealers whom may carry this light?
    I'd say a dealer like B&H Photovideo will be among the first to receive the shipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNotAgain View Post
    I'd say a dealer like B&H Photovideo will be among the first to receive the shipment.
    Yes I have already signed up on there notify list when they get them in stock. Is anyone else here in Flashlight Land waiting to snag one of these lights..?
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    Picked up my UDR Dominator from Optics Planet. They will probably have them also. If I was not so happy with my Dominator I'd think about the ARC-2. Would like to compare the 2 for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PocketRocket View Post
    Any idea which model specifically they were referring to? The Arc-2 or Arc-3?

    Cheers!
    I had inquired pertaining to the Arc2 Kit.. I also just noticed on B&H website that they have finally listed a price and it is $300.00 then whats listed on Surefire Site.. Sweet..
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    Just checked the Surefire Website and they have removed the words "Not availible yet" with "Call to Order" Does that mean I can get one today Friday..? To early to call them but this looks promising
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    Anyone have any luck in finding one of these forsale yet ANYWHERE..?
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    UPDATE on Arc2 Just received a email from B&H Photo in NYC stating that these should be in within 7 to 14 days and place your order now..
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    I see that B&H Photo has them listed as 21st July in stock..!
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    By the looks of B&H Website, 21st of July is still scheduled date on these. Anyone have any pictures of the box and packaging these will come in? I been waiting for this light for almost 2 years now and I am ready...!
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