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    Default Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    Henry has been going back and forth about doing a Titanium run of Rotary lights.
    I, of course, being an HDS addict, have been pushing for this.
    Henry thinks there might not be enough interest as the cost of manufacturing them would be... well... to put it mildly, unearthly high.
    So my question is this, would you buy a Titanium HDS if it cost around $1k? That's the estimated cost if HDS produces such an animal.
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    I wouldn't even buy a regular HDS, so.. no.

    I admire their use of Nichia emitters and their simple but elegant form factor, but I could never agree with the asking price, which is a same because I would really want one if that wasn't the case. 1,000 for a titanium light is completely unrealistic to me. I think to make it a successful business proposal, it should be more around 500 like the titainum McGizmos. I would also have preferred if the aluminum HDS lights were more around 150.
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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    Though I'm curious about how much 'enough interest' is needed for a run.

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    $1,000 for a titanium HDS? Sorry not interested. That's outside my budget for a single light.

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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    I'm a huge fan of Henry's lights. I truly believe that they are the absolute best everyday carry light that money can buy. The hyper red rotary for the group buy I'm waiting on will be my 3rd HDS.

    I also really like titanium.
    But $1000 is too steep.
    If it were $500, I'd be in. Maybe even up to $650 or $750... But $1k, IMO, is just too much. With McGizmo's lights, which are also titanium, topping out at around $500, it would be too hard for me to justify almost double. Additionally, paying over 3x over a normal one simple to have it made out of titanium instead of aluminum isn't worth it to me.

    This is sad to hear.

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    I am in total agreement with RobertM. I love Henry's lights but if I spent a $1000 on a light I think my Mrs would deck me.


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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    I love these ligths, i own three HDS! I'm also a big fan of titanium.


    But i agree, 1k is too much for me. Maybe at $500 / 600, no more.

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    Naahh, 1k is too steep for me as well. Makes me wonder though how many junkies would dare to publicily admit their willingness to pony up 1k...

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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    Me as well. Going rate when they come up for sale is around $750 and thats for something thats impossible to buy new obviously. I would think a fair price would be somewhere between $500-$600. If the price were in that ballpark, I would gladly prepay right now.

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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    I am big fan of HDS and owing 3 this time. Saving my pocket money for a while for the Ti rotary. However, 1K is a bit too steep. I think I am happy to pay $800 the most.

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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    $500ish, yes, but not at $1000.


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    No way! $1K for a flashlight? Good golly Miss Molly!

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    First I am not in a financial position to do so, so I believe that makes my opinion biased. That said @ $380 for Cerakote, you are already in Mcgizmo territory. I could have gotten a Mcgizmo, but I didn't, I bought an HDS instead. Titanium is purely a luxury thing in the context of this run. I chose the HDS for the engineering and reliability and as a tool rather than jewelry. That's not to say I won't purchase a Mcgizmo, or that Micgizmo is jewelry simply because it's titanium, or any less useful. I'll most likely get one when finances permit, but I selected the HDS first for it's reliability & functionality knowing the money went into the machine and not the material. I think even though our economy is marginally better than it's been, many people would feel the same way at the moment and it may not be the best time for a Ti run. That said, when I am in the financial position to do so I would be much more receptive to spend that amount for the exotic material. Make no mistake, Mcgizmo like HDS is in it's own galaxy, but in times of need I choose the right tool for the job instead of letting prestige be a significant contributing factor. Titanium is also part of the Mcgizmo DNA and can be accounted for. @ $1k thats double a Mcgizmo and most of that is solely going into the material.

    Just thought I'd way in. Im a relatively new HDS fan, but I am a LOUD one, I throw it down with anyone that doesn't have all the facts on what makes HDS an HDS and what you are paying for. Some people just don't recognize or value genius design.

    EDIT: For all the one liners.... You should really contribute more to back up your opinion with some sort of explanation rather than an empty "Blah Blah $1,000!!!!!". It does nothing in the fact finding department if you can't add a little context to your vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertM View Post
    I'm a huge fan of Henry's lights. I truly believe that they are the absolute best everyday carry light that money can buy. The hyper red rotary for the group buy I'm waiting on will be my 3rd HDS.

    I also really like titanium.
    But $1000 is too steep.
    If it were $500, I'd be in. Maybe even up to $650 or $750... But $1k, IMO, is just too much. With McGizmo's lights, which are also titanium, topping out at around $500, it would be too hard for me to justify almost double. Additionally, paying over 3x over a normal one simple to have it made out of titanium instead of aluminum isn't worth it to me.

    This is sad to hear.
    This pretty much sums up my feelings. My hyper red will be my 4th HDS (I've sold a few along the way as I adjusted to what I really prefer), and $300 is pretty much the 'edge' of my sweet spot. I hope this run happens just so we can see some new ones out there, but unfortunately I won't be able to support this one!

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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    I don't really know enough about the Rotary HDS to feel qualified to give a good answer.

    I've bought several SPY007s in the past and they're in the region of the price being mentioned here. So, if the quality of the machining is likely to be of the same excellence as it is for the SPY007, and if the Rotary HDS is of a similar calibre when it comes to the versatility and usefulness of a SPY007, then I suppose I would consider it.
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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    I have always wanted to try a Rotary HDS. The UI in theory is very appealing.

    1000 USD is a premium price for a single cell Ti flashlight without 50 trit tubes, even around here where the buyers lurk.

    There is--without a doubt--more going into a SPY than an HDS rotary. So if we have SPY's for 1000USD, this seems steep. He can at least start with bar stock.

    I think it would need to get under 600 before I would start rearranging the budget.

    There is an amazing set of Ti lights for sale now in the for-sale section...priced at well below what they should be...almost all below 500USD...all unsold for weeks now!

    Wow, 1000USD is a big boy price for the upgrade from Al to Ti. I realize machining costs skyrocket, as does materials cost. But if a SPY can be made for 1000, I gotta believe this can be done for under 800, too.

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    I wouldn't buy a regular HDS as I think they are overpriced for what you get. So no, I definitely wouldn't buy a lower performance version for twice the price. Especially since most manufactures use crap Ti alloys that don't even offer very good scratch and thread wear resistance and that is Ti's only benefit imo other then looks if you like that.

    Just like nickel platted firearms, I think bling has very little place on a tool. I value useful features that add, not take away from the performance.

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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    Lights like the Spy are one of the very few with the custom design, man-hours and provenance to command a 4 figure price. Does an HDS have that? My initial impression is no, but then I'm not your target audience for a titanium HDS. You might find an entirely new market for such a light.

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    I like my HDS lights especially my Ti Ra Clicky but I wouldn't drop 1000 on a ti HDS. To tell the truth I'm all into Surefire's 1x CR123 at the moment: I LOVE the beams with the new TIR lights like E1L-A,EB1 and E1D. The HDS emits a cone of light with the spill coming to a sudden stop whereas the TIR beams have a wider spill and softer transition. So I might be willing to drop this amount of cash on a Ti HDS with TIR and 18350 compatibility and driven a bitter harder!

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    For $1000 I could buy an Al HDS and a McGizmo Haiku, and then slam them together in a particle collider.
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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    I have several HDS lights and I would absolutely love an HDS Ti, especially if a true HCRI (warm) led were available for it. But if I had $1000 sitting in my flashlight piggy bank it would be hard not to get a Spy 007. I guess it comes down to what people are willing to pay, and I'm sure some will pay 1K for the HDS. I hope this happens so that some few will be able to enjoy them.

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    I believe I'd be in. Tactical Rotary, flush button! lol If he makes them.......they will sell. Absolutely no doubt in my mind.

    Gotta have great knurling though!!!

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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertM View Post
    I'm a huge fan of Henry's lights. I truly believe that they are the absolute best everyday carry light that money can buy. The hyper red rotary for the group buy I'm waiting on will be my 3rd HDS.

    I also really like titanium.
    But $1000 is too steep.
    If it were $500, I'd be in. Maybe even up to $650 or $750... But $1k, IMO, is just too much. With McGizmo's lights, which are also titanium, topping out at around $500, it would be too hard for me to justify almost double. Additionally, paying over 3x over a normal one simple to have it made out of titanium instead of aluminum isn't worth it to me.

    This is sad to hear.
    These are exactly my feelings. Plus, I'm pushing for the blue cerakote run, which will already be around $375 and eat up a chunk of flashlight budget for a while. Definitely can't do both.

    I paid $600 for the Ti Clicky I had in the past. That is about what I could reasonably justify for another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedraven View Post
    My honest, personal opinion is a troll? Now I feel as if you're being disrespectful to me. Regular HDS lights are overpriced in my book. 1,000 for a light is ridiculous. 4-500 for titanium HDS would be more realistic but still very pricy.
    I have to agree, personal opinion is not trolling.

    Some people are just going to have a strong opinion on this one. After all, if you told any average person you spent $1000 on a tiny, not even very bright, flashlight made of an inferior design material just because it looks pretty, you would either be seen as a fun boy or an idiot and get told to get a life. Just keep that in perspective there obsessive flashaholics

    I personally dont care how others spend/waste there money(I have wasted my fair share as well on a number of hobbies) but, Im pretty sure this is how the general public would react.
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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    On the contrary, telling people who are prepared to pay money for something that they like, that they are being ridiculous is disrepectful.

    This is a Flashlight forum after all. Why don't you try going to a Watch Forum and telling the folks there that they are being ridiculous for dropping $20,000 on a Jaeger le Coultre?

    Or go to a Car Forum and tell the people there that they're being ridiculous for buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini?

    Calling Titanium an inferior design material for a flashlight is both inflammatory and misleading. There are plenty of excellent threads showing that you're completely mistaken in your opinion. Refer to js's thread about Titanium in the McGizmo Forum to educate yourself.
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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    No one told anyone not to buy anything. A poster said that, in his opinion, the lights are overpriced. The rhetoric may have been a bit strong, but does that equate with trolling? Not compared to what is said about some other lights... Personally, I hope a run of titanium HDS lights is made and sells out instantly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    On the contrary, telling people who are prepared to pay money for something that they like, that they are being ridiculous is disrepectful.

    This is a Flashlight forum after all. Why don't you try going to a Watch Forum and telling the folks there that they are being ridiculous for dropping $20,000 on a Jaeger le Coultre?

    Or go to a Car Forum and tell the people there that they're being ridiculous for buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini?

    Calling Titanium an inferior design material for a flashlight is both inflammatory and misleading. There are plenty of excellent threads showing that you're completely mistaken in your opinion. Refer to js's thread about Titanium in the McGizmo Forum to educate yourself.

    "Ridiculous" was an extension on my personal opinion statement, yes. Am I selectively singling members out and bashing them for wanting to buy what they want to buy? Is anyone here doing that? No. I have my own personal hobbies and spending quirks just like anybody else on this forum. Hell, spending 50-60 on a flashlight is ridiculous to most anybody in the world. For my money, I hypothetically rather get a 500 dollar McGizmo than a 1,000 dollar HDS. But hey! That's just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easilyled View Post
    On the contrary, telling people who are prepared to pay money for something that they like, that they are being ridiculous is disrepectful.

    This is a Flashlight forum after all. Why don't you try going to a Watch Forum and telling the folks there that they are being ridiculous for dropping $20,000 on a Jaeger le Coultre?

    Or go to a Car Forum and tell the people there that they're being ridiculous for buying a Ferrari or Lamborghini?

    Calling Titanium an inferior design material for a flashlight is both inflammatory and misleading. There are plenty of excellent threads showing that you're completely mistaken in your opinion in the McGizmo Forum. Refer to js's thread about Titanium there to educate yourself.
    Im not going to debate whether or not it is "ridiculous" to spend that kind of money on this flashlight because people can do what they want with their money but, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I dont see it as disrespectful myself and buying any frivolous item and talking about it on an open forum can open you to scrutiny.

    Dude, I dont need to read flashlight forums for that info, I took metallurgy and manufacturing in college. Most companies use Ti-6Al-4V titanium which has both poor surface wear resistance and a low shear strength. This means that, when polished, it can actually scratch easier then a good type III anodized aluminum(but wont chip). Bare titanium threads will also see more galling and abrasion wear then type III coated aluminum threads. Then there is titanium's thermal conductivity which if far worse then aluminum causing drivers and emitters to run hotter shortening their life and increasing chance of catastrophic failure.

    In most cases, titanium is an inferior material for use as a flashlights body. That is a fact. People buy it because of looks and the legendary status of it in the media(bragging rights). It is generally heavier then an aluminum body too(almost 2.5 x as heavy as 6061 T6) and the added strength is just not needed in this application imo. While there are many great uses for Ti, I think flashlights arent one of them personally. The only thing I prefer about Ti in a flashlight application is that it tends to suck the heat out of your hands less on cold days.
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    Default Re: Titanium HDS... Would you buy one?

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedraven View Post
    "Ridiculous" was an extension on my personal opinion statement, yes. Am I selectively singling members out and bashing them for wanting to buy what they want to buy? Is anyone here doing that? No. I have my own personal hobbies and spending quirks just like anybody else on this forum. Hell, spending 50-60 on a flashlight is ridiculous to most anybody in the world. For my money, I hypothetically rather get a 500 dollar McGizmo than a 1,000 dollar HDS. But hey! That's just my opinion.
    The point is that this is a flashlight forum, so its quite obviously not aimed at "most anybody in the world"

    Therefore saying that "I think spending xxx amount of money on this light is ridiculous" still comes across as being derogatory on this forum, whether you express it as a personal opinion or not.

    The whole point is that there are custom makers that are able to make the most extreme and outlandishly lavish examples of the subject matter of this forum and they turn them into works of art.

    This is no different from Knifemakers and Watchmakers.

    Go to any forum like this and you'll find examples at both ends of the spectrum.

    I can't see how its constructive to make remarks that are dismissive, whether they are couched under the guise of "personal opinions" or otherwise.
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    Please don't assume that I already don't frequent hobbyist forums like these. I have over 6,000 posts on Head-Fi (forum for high-end headphones), and own a couple of high-end ones myself. Discerning opinions, criticisms and wildly inflated prices in the world of audio make this place seem perfectly tame!

    I don't see why one can't have an opinion.
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