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    Quote Originally Posted by John7Boy View Post
    The commentary in this thread appears somewhat underwhelming considering the outstanding output achieved by this very modest sized LED Flashlight. The first time I turned it on I realised it would be one of the milestone flashlights in LED flashlight history.
    Yes, the stock throw capability of the M2X-UT is outstanding, and far and above standard dome-on emitters. I am not sure why this hasn't generated more buzz - except maybe those familiar with the throw characteristics of dedomed emitters are already used to custom mods.

    Ultimately, I expect it will be sales that drive uptake my other makers. And like with neutral white emitters, this may wind up not really catching on with the general consumer. Hard to know ... but I agree, the M2X-UT represents a significant milestone for stock manufacture.
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    Default Re: Olight M2X-UT Javelot (XM-L2 dedome, 1x18650/2xCR123A) Review: BEAMSHOTS, RUNTIME

    now that is a deeeeppplllyyyyy domed light. i think it will be good for caving tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afraweak19 View Post
    now that is a deeeeppplllyyyyy domed light. i think it will be good for caving tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfbuilt View Post
    Yes, the stock throw capability of the M2X-UT is outstanding, and far and above standard dome-on emitters. I am not sure why this hasn't generated more buzz - except maybe those familiar with the throw characteristics of dedomed emitters are already used to custom mods.

    Ultimately, I expect it will be sales that drive uptake my other makers. And like with neutral white emitters, this may wind up not really catching on with the general consumer. Hard to know ... but I agree, the M2X-UT represents a significant milestone for stock manufacture.
    For me, the small size of the hotspot, the extreme contrast between the intensity of the hotspot and the spill, which likely creates major tunnel vision, and the tint shift undermine the impressive throw of the light . I prefer the beam profiles of the larger lights with the larger reflector and domed emitter; I'd take a large bright hotspot that reaches very far over a small very bright hotspot that reaches very, very far.

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    Default Re: Olight M2X-UT Javelot (XM-L2 dedome, 1x18650/2xCR123A) Review: BEAMSHOTS, RUNTIME

    A very small bright hotspot with a dim spill is not just about distance. It's also very good for seeing through rain, snow and mist/fog, in between trees, buildings and reflective signs, into small spaces like manholes, crawlspaces, and chases. Without alot of blinding back scatter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taz80 View Post
    A very small bright hotspot with a dim spill is not just about distance. It's also very good for seeing through rain, snow and mist/fog, in between trees, buildings and reflective signs, into small spaces like manholes, crawlspaces, and chases. Without alot of blinding back scatter.
    You're quite right. Smoke-cutting lights firefighters use are designed based on that principle: minimizing spill to minimize glare. The spill of the Javelot, however, as far as I can tell from videos and beamshots, is not dim enough to eliminate glare, but also not bright enough to complement the hotspot to minimize tunnel vision either.

    The hotspot is too small for my liking, but that's just personal preference.

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    Default Re: Olight M2X-UT Javelot (XM-L2 dedome, 1x18650/2xCR123A) Review: BEAMSHOTS, RUNTIME

    Quote Originally Posted by scs View Post
    You're quite right. Smoke-cutting lights firefighters use are designed based on that principle: minimizing spill to minimize glare. The spill of the Javelot, however, as far as I can tell from videos and beamshots, is not dim enough to eliminate glare, but also not bright enough to complement the hotspot to minimize tunnel vision either.

    The hotspot is too small for my liking, but that's just personal preference.
    By the nature of a single emitter dedomed LED, they are going to minimize spill light. The overall brightness area is reduced by dedoming, so you no longer have spill. Throwers unless like the Surefire Hellfighter HID lights have a monster amount of spill as well as throw. They achieve this by using the parabolic reflector.

    I think that Olight hit a home run with this light for three reasons, first being a single cell light and secondly having the throw it does and finally the price point of $120 or less.

    I own a few Olight models and the M2X-UT IMO is the best value of them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNotAgain View Post
    By the nature of a single emitter dedomed LED, they are going to minimize spill light. The overall brightness area is reduced by dedoming, so you no longer have spill.
    Could be the cameras, could be my monitor, or could just be my eyes: this is a lot of spill to me:




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    Not sure I'm understanding your issue here scs. If you want less throw nearly every other flashlight on the market will do that. The spill is mostly light coming straight off the LED through the glass. You would have to shield it somehow to get less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turkeylord View Post
    Not sure I'm understanding your issue here scs. If you want less throw nearly every other flashlight on the market will do that. The spill is mostly light coming straight off the LED through the glass. You would have to shield it somehow to get less.
    Turkeylord, issue is too strong a word. There's no issue with the light. I'm simply expressing why I don't like it. I prefer either minimum (dim) spill or no spill to minimize or eliminate glare, or ample spill bright enough to complement the hotspot to prevent tunnel vision.

    Again, to me, to me, the javelot falls in the middle: it has too much spill to eliminate glare, but not enough to eliminate tunnel vision.

    My previous post with the videos is in response to Nonotagain's comment that there's minimum to no spill.
    Last edited by scs; 03-18-2015 at 09:54 AM.

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    Default Re: Olight M2X-UT Javelot (XM-L2 dedome, 1x18650/2xCR123A) Review: BEAMSHOTS, RUNTIME

    Quote Originally Posted by scs View Post
    Turkeylord, issue is too strong a word. There's no issue with the light. I'm simply expressing why I don't like it. I prefer either minimum (dim) spill or no spill to minimize or eliminate glare, or ample spill bright enough to complement the hotspot to prevent tunnel vision.

    Again, to me, to me, the javelot falls in the middle: it has too much spill to eliminate glare, but not enough to eliminate tunnel vision.

    My previous post with the videos is in response to Nonotagain's coment that there's minimum to no spill.
    I've got an Olight SR-95, the Olight M2X-UT, a couple of Nitecore TM36's and a couple of Fenix TK61's , all considered to be throwers.

    A LED thrower is not going to have much spill. Your comment about tunnel vision to me indicates that you are only able to focus your eyes on the spot lit by the light, so you aren't perceiving much spill light.

    Until you get into an aspheric which has a beam angle of 1-2 degrees, you will have some light that partially lights the area in front of you.

    If you look at my posting http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post4623312 , I have a picture of the light produced by my Hellfighter. You'll see a lot of spill light as well as a defined hot spot on a tree that sits 225 yards from where I took the shot. The Hellfighter is a HID not LED. I don't have any pics of the beam patterns of my other lights, but I'll see if I can get the time if the weather cooperates to photograph each. I recall that the M2X-UT had less light hitting the ground in front of me than I saw from the TM36.

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    Thanks, NoNotAgain. If you're too busy, no worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNotAgain View Post
    I've got an Olight SR-95, the Olight M2X-UT, a couple of Nitecore TM36's and a couple of Fenix TK61's , all considered to be throwers.

    A LED thrower is not going to have much spill. Your comment about tunnel vision to me indicates that you are only able to focus your eyes on the spot lit by the light, so you aren't perceiving much spill light.

    Until you get into an aspheric which has a beam angle of 1-2 degrees, you will have some light that partially lights the area in front of you.

    If you look at my posting http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...=1#post4623312 , I have a picture of the light produced by my Hellfighter. You'll see a lot of spill light as well as a defined hot spot on a tree that sits 225 yards from where I took the shot. The Hellfighter is a HID not LED. I don't have any pics of the beam patterns of my other lights, but I'll see if I can get the time if the weather cooperates to photograph each. I recall that the M2X-UT had less light hitting the ground in front of me than I saw from the TM36.
    Whats the difference in reach-throw, between your Fenix TK61....Nitecore TM36, and your Olight M2X Javelot=

    The M2X, and the TM36, should trow farther, than the TK61, i think.

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    Are you there NONotAgain=

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    Man I brought this 4 - 5 months ago and it has never seen the outside of my house yet, really need to take it out.

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    I recently bought my first M2X-UT and posted my thoughts on this post a week or so ago. Serial Number F02030525. Did not realise it had quite a different LED, which has a much smaller and neater LED base but it definitely has a thin clear coat over metal base and LED.
    [IMG]file:///C:\_image002.jpg[/IMG]
    Bought my second M2X-UT and it is the identical size and shape as the Selfbuilt review picture which shows bare larger metal base with LED in middle, but when checked closely the metal base has definite surface corrosion. Serial Number E11252123 (Selfbuilt Serial was E11252524 to best of my memory) so they are almost cousins.
    Has anyone else noticed this corrosion or do I have a bad LED. The Selfbuilt pictures show very clean bare metal no corrosion. While this second E serial version seems to work as well, a little greener perhaps, will this corrosion be a problem in months to come with regular use?
    I am a newbie so am trying to paste JPG in the text on word doc then cut and paste to Forum. Please forgive pics do not work. I think you will all get the gist of what I am saying with or without pictures.
    Hope you can zoom the pictures to see what I mean, I did not want to pull the torches apart to get better macro shots, one might need to go back to Aus Ebay seller as a secondhand or damaged Flashlight. The hotspot and corona surround are greener/yellow compared to the later F serial version which is whiter. As a matter of interest a quick comparison using my cheap light meter at 1 meter, Thrunite TN32=115,000 lux, M2X-UT E serial fully dedomed=115,000lux, Later F serial version M2X-UT=96,000 lux. Sorry all I have to measure lights comparatively. The E series also throws further onto my white wall target approx 700 metres away.
    [IMG]file:///C:\image004.jpg[/IMG]
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    Default Re: Olight M2X-UT Javelot (XM-L2 dedome, 1x18650/2xCR123A) Review: BEAMSHOTS, RUNTIME

    It's possible that with some humidity that the aluminum base of the LED has some oxidation. Without seeing pictures, it would be hard to tell.

    My M2X-UT, serial # E11111852 is clear of oxidation. You can see a shadow where the dome was removed from the LED on the aluminum base.

    You need to use an imaging host to post photo's on this site unless you are a paying contributor. CPF gives paying contributors a whopping 1 MB of picture storage until you become a level 3 or higher contributor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatswrongwithmee View Post
    Man I brought this 4 - 5 months ago and it has never seen the outside of my house yet, really need to take it out.
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by John7Boy View Post
    Bought my second M2X-UT and it is the identical size and shape as the Selfbuilt review picture which shows bare larger metal base with LED in middle, but when checked closely the metal base has definite surface corrosion.
    Like NoNotAgain said, it's hard to say without pics (and you will need to consider the various options to get image-hosting privileges here or elsewhere). It may very well be some sort of oxidation/damage due to the dedoming process. This can be common in manual dedomes done by custom modders. As long it is not affecting the die itself, and it not changing over time, I wouldn't be too concerned.
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    But, my nitecore TM36, against the olight M2X, my TM36, is king, in throw terms...the M2X UT, is nice, but the TM36, is absolutely outstanding.

    But, the M2X UT, is absolutely amazing, for its size

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    I see on another thread on M2X a suggestion that some kind of filter can reduce the green tinge but not reduce the throw. Any thoughts?

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    Default Re: Olight M2X-UT Javelot (XM-L2 dedome, 1x18650/2xCR123A) Review: BEAMSHOTS, RUNTIME

    that may be my original thread about my 1/2 mile test.

    Yes, I have a filter gel on mine and it reached the advertised distance of 810 meters.

    BUT, it DOES reduce the throw. Im using a LEE #279 gel filter which is 86.5% transmissive.

    So, given that information, we learn that (at least with my M2X) that the beam distance spec listing is a bit conservative. I visibly lit my white building from a distance of 816 meters WITH the filter. I could get a few more meters out of it but conditions the night of my test wouldn't allow it.

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    No, this light is dissapointing...it not even reach, a treeline at 500/600 meters away, while my nitecore TM36, reach a treeline at 1 kilometre quite easily.

    My TK75, does better, than the M2X....no, its dissapointing.....hope the M3X UT, comes out quickly......but not need it.....lucky with my TM36.

    But maybe, i have a underpowered M2X...its a shame, that alot of flashlights, cannot reach the manufactererstate specs.

    So, i have use my M2X, as a bikelight.

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    Default Re: Olight M2X-UT Javelot (XM-L2 dedome, 1x18650/2xCR123A) Review: BEAMSHOTS, RUNTIME

    Remco

    The light for a single cell light does quite well for throw.Heck, it does quite well compared to most multi-cell lights.

    If your light is only projecting 500-600 meters, it's possible that your battery is somewhat run down. What batteries are you using? How old are they? Have you tested them in another light to see if they work correctly? What is the voltage on your battery? When was the last time you charged it? A single cell powering this light (1020 lumens) to the levels required to project 600 meters is going to use power very fast.

    I've had rain/fog every night in the past week otherwise I'd take a few pictures. Where I live the foliage hasn't grown out yet, so the field is still all brown which doesn't show any light off very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John7Boy View Post
    I see on another thread on M2X a suggestion that some kind of filter can reduce the green tinge but not reduce the throw. Any thoughts?
    Quote Originally Posted by Limey Johnson View Post
    Yes, I have a filter gel on mine and it reached the advertised distance of 810 meters.
    BUT, it DOES reduce the throw. Im using a LEE #279 gel filter which is 86.5% transmissive.
    Yes, the LEE filters are great way to fine-tune and adjust the tint of a light. But anything that alters the tint will reduce transmission (since, by definition, it is filtering out some parts of the color spectrum).
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    Default Re: Olight M2X-UT Javelot (XM-L2 dedome, 1x18650/2xCR123A) Review: BEAMSHOTS, RUNTIME

    Quote Originally Posted by RemcoM View Post
    No, this light is dissapointing...it not even reach, a treeline at 500/600 meters away, while my nitecore TM36, reach a treeline at 1 kilometre quite easily.

    My TK75, does better, than the M2X....no, its dissapointing.....hope the M3X UT, comes out quickly......but not need it.....lucky with my TM36.

    But maybe, i have a underpowered M2X...its a shame, that alot of flashlights, cannot reach the manufactererstate specs.

    So, i have use my M2X, as a bikelight.
    Uhmm Remco what changed your mind? As you posted earlier in this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by RemcoM View Post
    Hi all,

    My Olight M2x, is measured-tested at 180 kcd.

    So, well overpowered. A real dedomed light. Sort of a real vinh light.

    This is a real monster, like my Nitecore TM36, but in a very small package.

    Like a mini TK61vn, and yes, it outthrows my TK61 stock, with ease.

    Extremely happy, with this wonderfull mini monster-ultrathrowerlight.

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    Yup, I'd like to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kj2 View Post
    Uhmm Remco what changed your mind? As you posted earlier in this thread:
    Hi kj2,

    Uhhmm, im sorry...yes, indeed, i have put inside a almost drained 18650 batterie, so yes, it gave my M2X, not much power.

    My fault.

    Now, i have put a new ordered 18650 fully loaded.....and yes...it reached a treeline at 700 meters, very easily.

    And yes, it eats the batteriy very quickly.

    Look forward, to the M3X UT.

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    Selfbuilt,

    As several folks have pointed out it appears Olight might have changed the LED in its newer models of this light. I've just received a "F" serial number model and it does appear that there is a very flat dome over the LED. Have you looked at a newer "F" model? I'm hoping if there is some sort of dome on the newer models (possibly as a filter to cut down on the greenish tint some have complained about) it hasn't reduced lux on the F models as some on here have perceived. Any chance you'll look at/compare one of the newer ones? Here is a very poor picture I just took of the emitter on my F serial numbered light. There appears to be a coating or flat dome over just the emitter.


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    Hmmm, that is interesting. I have not seen one of these new samples. It is unlikely that Olight will send another one for review. Hopefully someone with a good light meter can provide lux measures.

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    Have send Olight a email about this. Hope I receive an answer

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