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WarRaven

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I was wanting to look at something a couple times recently in a dark street and having lots of lights makes it easy to light it up and view your target let's say.
Though, if you're wanting to be a bit discreet about it,
it's near impossible to fire 1000 lumens level to the ground and not light up everything around you, and then some.

Even with a dedicated thrower there's plenty of spill to backwash your eyesight and light up your local area instead of far away.
That's life yes but I want a solution, temporary one, and I'm happy to play around with my chicken bones and tea leaves looking for a solution.
Well it's obvious moving light further into head is solution, adding a tube to absorb spill leaving hot spot to break out end.

I haven't found a suitable rubber yet, I want this to pop on and off at a moment's notice. Though I found if you remove head of an old incandescent MagLite, remove lens and reflector, it matches the end of my Fenix PD35 fairly good.
Yes I know, that's just junk Raven, but I'm not suggesting this for everyone as it is pure spotlight and is sub par looking.
Though, in a pinch, a wrap of black tape to secure it to light and the lower head can be unscrewed to give most of the spill back or use the entire head assembled on the front of light for spot only.
I've grabbed some beam shots on floor in my garage, laugh, but don't laugh too hard ☺


With and without, side by side..
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Complete MagLite head, gutted an inverted..
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I may ream inside.. Idk.
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Low power, cone end off..
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Low power, cone end attached..
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High power cone end off...
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High power, cone end attached..
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Well if anything, it'll give you guys something to giggle about.
I'm not claiming I invented or done anything non of you have, just sharing my redneck RavensEye idea with you.

Have a great one all.
 
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WarRaven

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Cut up an old silicone plug cover, it now holds top of MagLite head inverted onto my PD35, and lower half of MagLite head can be unscrewed and removed to give spill back.

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With just the head portion on, it only adds about half an inch or less, with cone on, it's a stick, but serves it's purpose I think.
Need a dark street to test tonight.
 
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It is projecting the shape of the led, just in case it was wondered by anyone. It's square and I like it.
Maybe that's my problem, I'm just too square.

Thinking of lining inside of MagLite head with spray in box liner and roughing surface to catch errant photons better, undecided yet.
May spray one head an test

Hope you enjoy looking ☺

Edit to clarify, it not projecting, it's reflecting the square base shape.
My apologies.

Additional edit, I believe I've a TIR optic around here somewhere that should fit normally, I'm going to reverse it, should define and increase Cd a wee little bit I'm guessing.
Could just improve beam.

Last edit, couldn't find it, went opposite direction on that thought, roughed interior on MagLite head tube, less end spill now.
 
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Well talking to myself but I'm thinking this would alter lux on target at one meter, just by proximity and spill at smallest amount being forced frontal. At one meter, it may be enough to notice on high end equipment. Idk.
I'm getting attached to beam.

Tea leaf thinking here on, don't read father if offended by long reaches.

If the light is tuned like a short wave antenna, I have to catch it on a wave to reflect it back into core of cone... So the second or third wave, particle bounce should be like a mm outside of stock head?
As long as particle stays in motion, in the chamber till its aligned 90 degrees before it can exit is my thought?

Sorry if this is considered nonsense or childish to you, even if I'm wrong, I like to try things.

Still messing around with a damper of sorts inside.
Once I get a better result I'll post a shot.
 
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For now, this is about as good as I can get it.
I've a few ideas to try, no materials though.

So last batch of pictures.
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Well that's it for playing with this idea for today, I will return to it.
No one had any thoughts or nadda huh, OK.🔩
I guess it's kind of dumb anyways.

If you did get a kick out of it, right on.

Have a great day.

Edit to add, fun fact.
That MagLite head has had more lumens fired through it in last three hours then it did its entire life as an incandescent.
 
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Never really understood the utility of a thrower, haven't ever had a need for one...what you did with the maglite looks good to me though! super throwy!
 

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Well thanks Camo5!
It's worth a giggle huh ☺

Edit sorry, I forgot to say, it's not to increase throw, I don't think it did anyways, but tighten up beam.
I wanted it to make it more discreet when pointed farther away, so I'm not lighting up other people's living rooms looking down surface of street.
It unscrews and full spill is back, so it may be ghetto but it works for me, at least I think it does, haven't tested range.
 
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OK, this continues...
Charged up spare PD35 and PD35 with Afterburner attachment in dim light, the hooded light is visibly brighter in its hot spot.
Waiting for darker environment yet to try an capture that in pictures.

For yucks while waiting for darkness..
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My wife couldn't help me take pictures side by side, was tired and shaky, so I did these free hand myself best I could.

Sorry for quality, I will get better shots one day soon.

PD35 no hood, full spill.
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PD35 with Afterburner lol
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Idk, to me, it looks more intense with splash back using the Afterburner, second picture.

Without it, very much same hot spot but with full spill.
First picture.

It is not permanent and can be slipped on and off, something just dropped in pocket for them odd times I'd like,
to be a little more discreet to my surroundings.
 

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Seems to work not bad on my S10Rs as well.
I'm going to make a couple of these for my use I think.
Thinking about javelot too eventually.


Afterburner removed from PD35 and sitting beside it..
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Afterburner slipped onto Olight S10R..
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With and without, side by side..
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I like the idea of eliminating the spill, it can be a pain in the eyes in certain situations. Your idea seems to work pretty well. I have some old mini mags kicking around so i think I'll try something like that.
 

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I have been interested in this subject for a couple of years. I too dislike throwers for the same two reasons you mention. The backwash caused by spill always bugged me and the lack of ability to stay somewhat stealthy caused me to go through an aspheric stage. The Dereelight Nightmaster Extreme is probably the closest thing to solve the problem.


TEEJ is probably one of the most knowledgeable person on these forums on this subject. If I recall, he has done a lot of hunting with aspheric lensed flashlights. Maybe he will stop by and give his thoughts.


Or maybe those new factory dedomed Cree LEDs that have recently come out will cure some of these spill irritations. I haven't read up on them enough to have an opinion.


My first impression while reading this thread was "Nah, that's too simple to actually fix a complex problem". Maybe though. Keep up the experimentation, I am interested.
 

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Thanks guys...I thought I was the only one wanting a spy light of sorts.
Pierces car glass without washing back, that could be handy for Leo types.
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I'm trying to open a bigger cavity inside a bit on another, expansion box of sorts, but to return errant strays..lol yeah I know, who am I to think I can shape a beam out of these..you're probably right.

But I'm going to try.☺
 

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WR - you are on the right track but will only be limited by materials and available hardware, certainly not your imagination! What you are doing is not too different in concept from a type of optic used in an x-Ray telescope.
 

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Thank you guys 👍

I'm thinking an optic and a mirror in one of these at some point, though for now, to smooth this out first.
 

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It's coming along, I've a idea to try in chamber, need to fabricate it first, for now...
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Please ignore tint, alien lights in my garage.


Testing a couple lengths and ideas tonight.. If nothing else, it's fun alright☺
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This would be ideal for thieves or those that chase them IMO.
For the thief, it is discreet, low profile, aides night vision by reduced flashback, stealthy.
For LEO, again, discreet, low side signature, pierces glass easily close range without lighting exterior of vehicle or flashing back from glass an trim. Let's you look into darkness in close proximity to others without lighting them up, or in between buildings discreetly.

OEM, call me for more ☺

Back on topic, the second model focal length is too long.
Or, needs tuning mid way ☺
Third model is in progress.
 

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Getting a darn good feel, and as Howard said, missing materials, Some smarts missing too obviously lol.
Though on this, I'm got some more things to try. I maybe wasting my time, for you the reader, just your time to read my story.


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Which is on...
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