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    I joined these forums while it was still a small community of like minded friendly people. If you made a deal with somebody
    people usually sent the item to the other person before you got payment because there was a high level of trust. The reason
    I am posting today is, way back then , the standard for an edc light was still Surefire, their little nylon based 60 lumen light.
    Today, I just received two Olight S10R Baton II lights which have three brightness settings, a side mounted switch with its
    own little micro stand charger combo. Back then to have a light that would approach 400-500 lumens wasn't even a dream, and
    nobody used led's for anything but the flashlight inventor designer. Maglite was the major player that competed with the dramers
    here by trying to sue everybody that posed a threat, out of existence. They were the most despised flashlight company of all time.
    They thought they could rest on their laurels, but they weren't aware that they actually didn't have any. Back in the day, Police
    used them because they made convenient clubs that doubled as really poor flashlights. Some of the enterprising folks here stripped
    out the entire innards from the maglites and put in what ever higher powered bulbs, or mostly led's because the mag reflector was
    pretty good at that point in time. Most of the inventors did custom runs and got people to commit to buy one based on faith. Every
    once in a while a scam artist would slip into our midst and offer a light which never came to pass in reality. People who lived nearby
    would go by where they lived and see what was up. I would be surprised if anybody here remembered this sad scenario.
    Mostly I am here today because after spending several years here compelled, like most, to visit several times a day, just to make
    sure we didn't miss anything. It was an absolute addiction and we all knew it but didn't care. Now there are so many spectacular performing
    lights that in the last few years I have bought some of them, just because I knew that with my latest purchase I could shine my new light
    at a street lamp and force it to turn itself off because its sensor told it that daylight had come.
    It was nice to have a place to come and remember the good old days, thanks
    when you always do what you've always done, you always get what you always got.

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    Welcome back Kiethhr. Lots around to like these days.

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    It was a nice read but I'm not sure if you are happily reminiscing, coming back after a hiatus, or saying goodbye?

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    I will always have a warm spot in my heart for the cpf, we were ahead of our time and all that came for a look stayed. It was miraculous how invested people became after just a couple of visits. The wonder of it all. There were a lot of electrical engineers, physicists, enthusiasts of all kinds. I was reminiscing and trying to give a glimpse into the past that some would find interesting. it was a wonderful community of people that had great affection for the others.
    when you always do what you've always done, you always get what you always got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seery View Post
    It was a nice read but I'm not sure if you are happily reminiscing, coming back after a hiatus, or saying goodbye?
    Sounded almost like "get off my lawn" to me. ;-)


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    From what I've seen, that community is alive and well.

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    And then they showed up.

    Kinda like when Mickey Nunez, Robert August, Greg Noll and about 50 other fellows had the shores of Hawaii to surf all by them selves.
    Then the Gidget movie came out.
    Suddenly every beach in America was packed with sun burned wanna-be's...

    Yup, what kept you here, has been the same thing that has this beach of a forum so packed these days.

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    Its not necessarily "better" or "worse", and not "us" vs "them", but CPF and the flashlights industry was just different then.
    Green Laser, Surefire 9AN Commander; Photon III's; SL UltraStinger; ARC AAA; Costco 2AA Luxeons; Costco HID; SL 4AA PP Lux; AmondoTech Illuminator; MC60; 4DMag w/TLE-6EX; Husky 2D; Nitecore TM15; BD Revolt; PT Remix; Fenix LD41

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    In my comment there was no malice intended or anything meant to say anything negative.

    I sensed the thread was started by somebody smiling about the good ole days when things were simpler and less crowded.

    The crowd is here to stay it seems, and along with it lots of ideas and more important imo, more enthusiasm about battery powered fire on a stick.

    Being a fairly new arrival myself and not knowing the history of how the place has expanded subforum-wise...I'd surmise that in 03 the 'LED' section was where a select few rocket scientists lurked, general discussion was mainly focused on topics now being discussed in the incan portion, and at times posts were few n far between.
    Now LED is normal and instead of bragging about a few dozen lumens they seek thousands in a double aa pocket size light.

    I can see how those good ole days are missed.
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    Ahh memories
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    I never quite understood what was what back then - though that is probably my fault. I knew it was a small 'community' with some excellent engineers but I really did not strike lucky with the CPF 'specials', which is what drew me in the first place. I lost a fair bit of money sad to say.

    One project took my money and was over 2 years to anything being made, when I got the light the captive rechargeable cells had gone bad through storage.
    One project took money and gave absolutely nothing in return.
    One project had the maker banned from CPF and no light ever materialized.
    One had a never ending stream of sob stories - no light.

    So out of four projects I spent time with, all four got nowhere.

    But these days, we have less 'personalities' (may be a good thing), but way more innovation and exciting new lights from the major players. Sad to say I will never take part in another one off special build, just looking around at some of the current projects I see similar problems to what I saw in 2005.

    I remember the Mag domination too - kind of sad to see them do that. So much water under the bridge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minimoog View Post
    .............But these days, we have less 'personalities' (may be a good thing), but way more innovation and exciting new lights from the major players. Sad to say I will never take part in another one off special build, just looking around at some of the current projects I see similar problems to what I saw in 2005.

    I remember the Mag domination too - kind of sad to see them do that. So much water under the bridge...
    I gave all my kids a mini Mag light of their favorite color with a Terralux module. I quit modifying Mag lights 6 to 7 years ago. I could see the writing on the wall. Newer efficient LEDs being released......along with tons of new LED flashlights. I can't believe how many new lights being released by the various manufacturers. It use to be when a new light came out I had to have it. Now there are so many and to me the options are getting a little gimicky too..........which I don't like and so the temptation to buy has dropped off. You just get to the point that its getting harder and harder to improve on what I already have. I think the market is going to get saturated if not already.

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    mind blown from a stock olight? get a vinh! im going to take a different approach. when I joined the olight M20 and fenix tk10 were duking it out for Chinese manufacturer supremacy (ended in a tie/). in the 6 years since i don't think any light in todays market shows a significant improvement to the M20 and the tk10 in same size light. more floody, higher output? sure. more light going to where you want it? not really. fault of the LED companies, only way to get more light is to keep making the LEDs bigger I suppose. or by making flashlight battery monsters, devouring cells for breakfast lunch and dinner. so while some might see vast improvements over the broad range of things comparing apples to oranges, I see little improvements when simply comparing apples to apples.

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    Neat storyline. The past makes one think of the future. Wonder what that holds? Currently, I think 47s is on the right path. It was or is only a matter of time before smart flashlights take over the market. Needless to say, the UI is going to be insanely cool and fun. However, there will still be those who prefer a single mode indy.
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    Great post.

    I think CPF still is a good community - just a bit more crowded. More of a city rather than a town. You know how people are a bit colder and less friendly in a big city? Same here.

    The things I dislike about the forum now are endemic of the whole internet in general and social media in particular.

    There are still fantastic people here on CPF.

    I still find out stuff on here like nowhere else.

    I still go to great meet ups with fellow CPFers.

    I still like torches (OK, OK, Flashlights).

    And, once in a while I'll carry my Surefire p60 incand...and smile when it lights my path.



    Group hug everybody!


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    I wasn't trying to say that it was better then, nothing could be further from the truth, I was trying to give a look through my crystal ball, I'm glad that things have expanded
    to what they are now. The coolest part is back then, flashlight technology was just in the beginning and to say that surefire was the pinnacle now I think is laughable. My main
    comments about mag were directed at a company who tried gain status for designing a flashlight with a round head on it. It was awful and they did put people out of business.
    But now You guys can have it all, I have more than I need as well. I do have a light that will turn off my streetlight out front, why, I have no clue and I was glad to be able to
    share some thoughts, I'm not gone,just a less frequent visitor.
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    Sometimes being able to look back and see what was is just as valuable as the here, now, and future. Reminds everyone who missed it from where we came. I remember doing way more reading than posting (really!) and posting with a bit of trepidation my first few times in the McGizmo subforum as a newbie... What if they throw me out!!! Damn kids!!!

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    I've seen your post almost by chance... and I felt compelled to jump in and say "hi!".
    I joined CPF in the halcyon days of the flashlight (torch) hobby, when it took days of my time just to sort out a Luxeon mod. Still have an hundred or two of lights around, but the time spent on them is now minimal. I still wear permanently a premium AAA light on a neck lanyard, and -just for the sake of nostalgia- I replaced the Prion with a red CPF edition Arc AAA, which still works wonderfully and made me feel better. No levels, no SOS, but it is better for night trips, when my sleepy fingers won't come to terms with the multi function switch. And it says CPF in a "circumferential" fashion (does it ring a bell -when ARC had to remove all "round the circle" engravings).
    Thank you for bringing back memories from different times.
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    I came on here in 2013, and have made multiple friends, and have been GIFTED multiple lights! thedoc007 actually runs a giveaway thread, and while he was the principle gifter, he has obtained lights from other people too.
    Better then or now? Who knows? You may have more affection for that time, when you were a newbie learning with others and were more active and made more friends. It seems... my time is now.

    At any rate, I read your initial post, and follow-up post about mag-light, and while I don't recall being aware of any lawsuits at the time that they were occurring, they have been mentioned often enough at this site that I am now aware of them, and can understand why some people may be upset, yet... that's big business.

    Back in the late 60's, I recall carrying a mag-light solitair on camping trips and being very happy with it, later I purchased multiple 3D and at least one 3C mag-lights. They served as legal clubs to be carried in my car/s. AND they were the most dependable flashlights that I ever heard of!

    When you wrote:
    Maglite was the major player that competed with the dramers
    here by trying to sue everybody that posed a threat, out of existence. They were the most despised flashlight company of all time.
    They thought they could rest on their laurels, but they weren't aware that they actually didn't have any. Back in the day, Police
    used them because they made convenient clubs that doubled as really poor flashlights.
    I googled dramers and couldn't find anything, so I still don't know who or what the dramers are/were. Not that it really matters, but I do disagree with you when you derided the company regarding laurels, and poor flashlights.

    It's true that many police officers gave up their night-stick and crappy flashlight, and replaced them with a mag-light. Many a police vehicle also had them in the rechargeable stand.

    LEOs probably stopped carrying mags, when they switched to the PR24 baton. I imagine that it was about then, that surefire came on the scene, and LEOs switched to a smaller light and the PR24.

    When you wrote:
    Quote Originally Posted by keithhr View Post
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    comments about mag were directed at a company who tried gain status for designing a flashlight with a round head on it. It was awful and they did put people out of business.
    it sounds to me like you have a personal axe to grind. I checked your past posts, and since November 2012, your few posts were all directed against mag-light.

    Sorry to point that out, but I have found that over the years my mag-lights have served me well.
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    Not really knowing anything about the lawsuits, I decided to google them and found on wikipedia: some information.

    It seems that the founder successfully sued his two illegitimate boys, who worked for him in corporate positions, and who, broke away and formed a competing flashlight company "Bison Sportslights Inc." Further, the founder had been in a 8 year palimony suit with their mother. He didn't file his suit against Bison until two years after the palimony suit was finalized.

    Filing a suit, and being able to prove "malicious intent" is VERY difficult to do. However the courts ruled that the boys' actions were in fact malicious. One of the charges was "malicious false advertising"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy View Post
    ....

    ....it sounds to me like you have a personal axe to grind. I checked your past posts, and since November 2012, your few posts were all directed against mag-light.

    Sorry to point that out, but I have found that over the years my mag-lights have served me well.
    Poppy - not having been around "way back when", you wouldn't know the heartache Mag caused with their BS lawsuits - and you won't find it on any wikipedia page either. The discussions about it all here on CPF have been long-since archived - where they belong.

    I'm sure we're all happy you like your Mags and they have served you well - and, of course, no one is trying to make you hate them or throw them away and replace them with something that they themselves may prefer. But I do find your comment to be out of line and pretty much irrelevant considering you do NOT have all of the facts. So how about we just enjoy our trip down memory lane and not get into some kind of Ford vs. Chevy, Apple vs. PC, toilet paper over vs. under, chocolate vs. vanilla, etc. etc. type pissing match.... mkay?

    Thanks in advance...

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    Is it because there were on average more members with expertise in design, engineering, and machining contributing to the forum back then?
    Is it because the typical average member today is more a flashlight consumer/collector than a hobbyist, and even less so an expert?
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    Keithhr,

    Hey, what is this going by people's homes who were, I guess, not delivering the products they promised ? That sounds very interesting. Can you tell us something about these activities?
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    When I was starting out as a photojournalist, I was in the WH travel pool and was in the motorcade with President George H.W. Bush to the Mag Factory, from Ontario Airport just outside of Los Angeles, where the owner presented the president with a Gold Mini Mag Light.

    Like the stories from here, those photos are long archived and were shot on color Neg stock, and will not be accessed, except for historical uses.

    I often wonder what happened to that light? If it was solid gold, I doubt the president would have kept it, and may have left it with Mag, the rules for the presidents taking gifts like that in that time escape me. It could be part if the national archives, or at his library, which is also, like all presidential libraries are, a part of the national archives. Otherwise he would have had to declare it as income at the very least, however I think the standards are different now. Back then if you gave the president jackets, or hats they donated them to homeless shelters, places like that.

    Gifts from heads of state fall into a different class, however I think they can still keep them somehow? Really, I am just a photographer, and I have talked to some of my colleagues recently on a similar issue, and they don't know either. Thus stuff gets confusing quick, and changes all the time.

    Today, the staff would discourage any company giving a solid gold anything to the president, except in closed press situations, with no pooler allowed in just as a witness, and that would only be a writer, photos tell a better story, always.

    Sorry I can't remember more, but I did cover the presentation. The Mag owner was a big supporter of Bush, at the time. Now, I don't know who he supports today? Also, I am pretty certain the wife was in the photos, I remember big hair, 80's-ish.

    If anything I can read my trip notes from the event and pull something out of them.

    Still an interesting piece of flashlight history. In those days I had a Mini Mag light, however, I was not involved with lights like now, and I think Surefire was just getting going big and known.

    I was part of a multi-state trip, and did not go to Mag just for that one event, it was a campaign stop, one of many in a couple of days.

    It was during his first and only term, and a stop for the mid-term elections in 1990 or 92 for his re election, with other Republicans running for congress, and again it was a long time ago, and I would need to look at my notes, as I can't really remember the exact date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greta View Post
    Poppy - not having been around "way back when", you wouldn't know the heartache Mag caused with their BS lawsuits - and you won't find it on any wikipedia page either. The discussions about it [the heartache Mag caused with their BS lawsuits] all here on CPF have been long-since archived - where they belong.

    <SNIP>
    Greta, when you speak, I always see you as the admin, not just a general member. If you are speaking as the admin, then keithhr, should be advised to no longer bring up any previous lawsuits that involved mag-light, in any future posts.

    If you are speaking as a general member, then I disagree with you. My post was simply my opinion, based upon my observance of his previous posts. He and I also disagree on whether mag-light was a good or poor flashlight back then. He would also be free to discredit the wikipedia information and present verifiable data regarding previous lawsuits, not just rumors.

    Its your call which hat you want to wear. I have no vested interests, either way.
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    Hey Poppy,

    Wrong answer.

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    Chance...
    Ooops! That was funny

    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey Gardiner View Post
    Hey Poppy,

    Wrong answer.

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    I know, right? I'm just saying be careful brother. You don't want a couple of guys showing up at your door, then carrying you off in a sack!



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    I was fortunate to join back in 2006 where we got all excited to get 100 lumens from a flashlight. 60 lumens was considered bright where we would show off to everyone. CPF got me addicted where I always wanted to find the newest & brightest flashlight, and even modify my old lights with the latest LEDs.

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    redLed, my reference to people stopping by the lead build guy came about when there were a large number or people getting stiffed and somebody close by had enough I guess.
    I was never involved in one of those fact finding missions, I believe this cutest, seductive light was called the firefly. ,,. I am not sure why people are checking out my post history and making a determination that I had it out for mag light. They did huge damage here and just because somebody doesn't know about it doesn't mean it didn't happen There were a lot of dynamic changes made in that time frame and I'm kind of thinking, WHAT EXACTLY WAS THAT GUY SEARCHING FOR IN MY POST HISTORY THAT HE SEEMED TO BE ANALYZING, WOULD ANYONE HERE TAKE OFFENSE AT THE EXTREME NOSINESS OF HIS comments? I came back here to offer a couple of innocent thoughts to the people of my brotherhood and what is going on here, I don't feel welcomed or anything close to that.
    I CAME BACK WITH GOOD INTENTIONS, A SONG IN MY HEART WANTING TO GIVE THE GUYS HERE ( I STILL THINK OF THE BROTHERHOOD)
    I am getting the feeling that my innocent walk down memory lane is being perceived very differently. I am feeling the energy of extreme paranoia, somebody hoping to find an ulterior motive that I might have slipped up on. If I can't come back to a place I loved frequenting , this was my home and the people here were my friends and I come back and people are acting really strange, suggesting that I have unresolved issues with maglight specific companies is all a bit too much. Couple of people who should have left well enough alone and not posted while I was trying to be nostalgic. Somebody went through my old posts to to see what my attitude was toward maglite. (FOR REAL ) I am not feeling very welcome at this point and I feel like an intruder,and I can't believe that I feel like an intruder, that sucks
    when you always do what you've always done, you always get what you always got.

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