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    I was reading up on recommended caving gear and I found this:
    http://www.ohranger.com/oregon-caves/things-do

    "What NOT to Bring for the Tour

    • Flashlights. The cave is lit and rangers carry flashlights.
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    I know they also ask people to not bring flashlights on the mammoth cave tours, but isn't it bad enough to make us leave behind things like pocket knives and multitools? (not that I would listen anyways)

    Anyone else have an example of places where flashlights are discouraged? I personally still would bring several that are probably brighter and or more reliable than anything that is provided, but keep them secreted away unless I needed them.

    I wonder If ordinary flashlights will be seen as a potential defensive tool and thus become questionable to carry in places where self defense is practically banned already.
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    I don't understand. Scrolling up in that list they already stated that if you have your own LED headlight, you may use it. Provided it wasn't used for exploring another cave and still dirty.

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    That is weird and annoying. Maybe they just want headlamps instead of flashlights then?

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    So far I can't think of any places I've been that banned flashlights thankfully. Hopefully they won't start soon.

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    Non flashlight guy tend to overact when they have flashlight in the dark.
    I think the cave management doesn't want this kind of guy ruin the tour with their "police" branded flashlights.

    To my opinion, you won't be inspected when you enter the cave.
    Just let the guides do the job and keep your flashlight in the holster.

    additional story:
    I want to share my personal experience, recreational cave tour on tire tube.
    The guides are local villagers, using their best headlamp they can afford.



    When I draw my own flashlight, he looked displeased so I put back my flashlight into the pocket just to respect him.
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    Caution! Enormous dark space ahead! DO NOT enter with a flashlight!!
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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    Lots of large concert events list of things that you can't bring inside and flashlights are often mentioned. That doesn't stop me from bringing my flashlight. I don't think they even look for flashlights at the security gates. All they're looking for is beer.

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    I would imagine, in the OP's case, that the Rangers and those organizing the tours want everyone to have the tour go smoothly, without the possibility of someone swinging 2,000 lumens around and distracting from the presentation, or accidentally blinding a fellow tourist. The literature did say it was OK to bring your own gear, including helmet and LED light source, or did I read that wrong?

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    Last summer we visited NY and went to the Empire State Building.
    When we went through the security I picked up my small multitool since that wasn't allowed there.
    The guy checking my backpack found a flashlight and said that I had to leave that to.
    He then found another one, and another one...
    He didn't notice my Fenix E05 and SAK classic on my keyring and I didn't point that out to him either.

    I think I can recall that I have read here on CPF or in a link on CPF that after the WTC disaster it was said that some lives could have been saved if they had flashlights with them. So why confiscate them in security? I can't really see them do much harm unless it's superbright spotlights.

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    I have been outted by security screening at several places a few times. So far I have always been allowed to bring THEM in. I keep a photobucket page open on my phone. Just in case they think they have some nefarious use. A few pics later, and usually laughs I am good to go.
    Closest call yet was in at the New Orleans Audubon Butterfly Garden and Insectarium. They have tight security. Full body metal scanner, and that thing you run the bags through. Naturally, my bag got flagged for inspection: Probably due to camera right?? lol Nope, mini pliers, mini pry bar, mini screwdrivers, 4 flashlights (McGizmo, SF E1D, SF Peacekeeper, Maratac AAA), all kinds of Ti on my keys, my belt Col. Littleton No. 5 chinch, and Small Swiss army Lite knife (I guess that is 5 lights).
    I always carry baby chew toys and baby food & diapers to make it look less serious. I told the security guards I repaired computers for a living. I also showed them the photobucket light collection LOL (BTW: I don't work on computers)
    They were so busy laughing at all my junk mixed with diapers and my wife making fun of me, they let me go! Told me next time I should, "lighten the load". This was funny, because I had a dirty diaper in two zip loc bags!! So my joke was I was carrying a huge Load! Worked like a champ.
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    How exactly would these rangers stop me from carrying one in my pocket? Lots of luck with that.
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    I ran into the same thing in Costa Rica last year. A very nice underground tour of the Rio Secreto. I had a simple 2xAA travel light (I don't bring expensive torches, only ones I wouldn't mind losing), and had to leave it in their locker.

    Most "regular" people wouldn't bring a 2k lumen monster, it's more about the below:
    Light pollution. Caves have living things that we don't want to disturb, and also don't want to trash the subtlety of a low-light environment with a powerful torch.
    Grease/ contaminants. Even your body oils disrupt the cave environment, but they gotta make money. They've no way of knowing what junk you've got on your torch.
    They handed out simple head-band lights, which worked nicely.

    Now, the above is on a privately-owned tour company cave.
    If it were just my friends and I spelunking in a publicly-accessible cave, I'd bring several torches, simple ones for flood and probably at least one for throw. As cavers say, bring a minimum of three (3) light sources. It's really, really dark in a cave.

    It was really fun to sit (float, actually) in the cave for several minutes without any light source. Most people never experience that level of dark.
    Have torch, will travel.

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    DD, that is interesting. I went on a tour of the privately owned cave in Sonora Texas.

    It is a small, not so well know cave/cavern system here in the US. It was a few years back, I don't recall seeing any signs that read no flashlights or camera flashes. The very knowledgeable lady guide carried two maglite C cell lights. I carried a Surefire E1 Back Up led (60 lumen I think), and a Surefire E2D Led (200 Lumen). I asked first if I could use my light to help out. I showed her the Back Up, but I actually used the E2D. Everyone was blown away by how bright it was. lol She & the whole tour group wanted me up in the front of the group to light things up. FWIW: the TIR lens does well to point out things in a cave.
    I guess there are several factors here: Location, Guide personality, asking permission first, being helpful.

    If I were to go back, I would probably bring a Neutral or Nichia type Triple or maybe a OR Triple WASP, and my trusty E2D Ultra.


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    I got hustled by a security guard at a concert over my EA4. I had already been through security once but had to go back out and go through another check point due to the tickets I had. Anyway, the second guard went ballistic over me having it. Said he had to go check with his supervisor if I was allowed to have it, etc etc. Mind you flashlights were not on the prohibited items list and I had never had any previous issues. I think it was just this one guard. He asked me why I had it and when I said because it was going to be dark it there and in case the power went out, he laughed at me and said that was not a good enough reason. I just I had somebody take it back to the vehicle.
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    Wow, can't believe places like concerts or even famous Building were giving you problems.

    I going to DC in May. Planning on going to the Smithsonian Museums, Holocaust museum, Capitol Building, etc....any of you know places where I can't bring them? I would hate for security to confiscate them and I no longer have a light on me during my trip.

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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    Quote Originally Posted by JPA261 View Post
    Wow, can't believe places like concerts or even famous Building were giving you problems.

    I going to DC in May. Planning on going to the Smithsonian Museums, Holocaust museum, Capitol Building, etc....any of you know places where I can't bring them? I would hate for security to confiscate them and I no longer have a light on me during my trip.
    From my personal experience...no flashlights in ANY federal building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dc38 View Post
    From my personal experience...no flashlights in ANY federal building.
    Seriously?! Just Great

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    Wow, that's pretty crazy. You could always go with a literal keychain flashlight such as the Nitecore Tube maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dc38 View Post
    From my personal experience...no flashlights in ANY federal building.
    What's the logic there? It's not even reasonable.

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    I would have to disagree, I was a... unique kid, My whole class went on a tour of the state capitol and security checked everyones bags.
    me being me had brought a little 21 LED UV light because I wanted to see if there were any tamper evident florescent strips on the walls to detect bugs and phone tapping. The huge security guard just turned it on, shrugged, and handed it back to me. Well I did not find anything spy related in the building I always remembered getting to bring my own uv light in despite the objections of my less adventurous friend.
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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    We can have them in the WH press pool, inside the bubble of the tightest security any where.
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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    One of the reasons I could imagine at least in a cave area is to prevent people from wandering off and getting lost and/or injured. Same situation as the underwater cave signs. If you allow people in the area to carry a light, they might follow a cave or path that they otherwise would avoid...

    http://i.imgur.com/7Vr7F1r.jpg

    As for disallowing flashlights in federal buildings or secure areas, I have no clue why people would care unless they have 3" stainless crenellated porcupine bezels. As for concerts, think about the trouble that people with laser pointers cause. There's a great video of a KISS concert where the singer (Paul Stanley?) freaks out, stops a song, and calls out an audience member with a laser pointer. They lump flashlights into that category and suddenly you can't carry a flashlight because you'll shine it around during the performance.
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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    Quote Originally Posted by dc38 View Post
    From my personal experience...no flashlights in ANY federal building.
    I work in a federal building. My first few weeks there, while waiting to receive my ID badge, I had to pass through screening each morning like all non-ID-carrying visitors.

    During that time, each and every guard had on multiple occasions noticed my Zebralight SC600 as it passed through the X-ray machine. Most of the time, they just picked it up and muttered "Oh, its just a flashlight..." The lone guard that always wanted to examine it up close would turn it ON, then could never figure out how to get past strobe-mode!

    Point is...flashlights are NOT banned from federal buildings.
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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    I can sort of see them not allowing the, for one reason only.
    Bats.
    If you have been caving before, in an area where the bats were infected with White Nose Syndrom, there is a good chance that may be on your flashlight and then it could be transmitted to the clean cave.
    It is a stretch, but a possibility.


    Myabe in this context at that cave, it is more of a "you don't need to supply your own flashlight" than they are forbidden.
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    I think the trend for brighter is always better is one reason, people might come with their $50 9 AAA flashlights and wash the cave out with 200+ lumens of very cool and very low CRI light. It is better to use minimal lighting in some situations.

    I had no idea about the underwater cave signs, it makes sense though. I enjoy underground caving, and diving, but not mixing them together.

    I would find it less likely for white nose syndrome to be transmitted on a flashlight than about anything else a tourist might bring into a cave. If they say you can't bring gear into a cave for this reason then they should also do the due diligence of not allowing shoes.
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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    Caves are dark. Everything inside a cave is extremely sensitive to light. There are colonies of bacteria and fungus living in there that can be killed by blue light, animals living in the cave will have their metabolisms screwed up by exposure to blue light, and it will screw up everyone else's ability to see clearly for several minutes afterwards.

    If you bring a flashlight, keep it in your pocket and only use it in an emergency -- which will almost certainly not happen because the park rangers know to bring spares with them.

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    As a former service member I use the VA hospital and here they just do not want knives or firearms to be brought in, nobody has said anything to me and I have two lights on lanyards attached to my walker.
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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    I took one to an aircraft museum once. The guard saw the pocket clip and asked me what it was; I pulled it out and showed him it was a flashlight. He waved me in. I used it to light up the insides of jet engines so we could see the inner workings better.

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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    Quote Originally Posted by JPA261 View Post
    Wow, can't believe places like concerts or even famous Building were giving you problems.

    I going to DC in May. Planning on going to the Smithsonian Museums, Holocaust museum, Capitol Building, etc....any of you know places where I can't bring them? I would hate for security to confiscate them and I no longer have a light on me during my trip.
    I toured several, Federal buildings & museums and such in New Orleans, a year ago, with my Surefire E1D & a Tain Ottavino AAA (Tain on my keys), with a Blue Trit. I carried it in a a leather book bag full of kid junk & iPad and cameras and such. Not a single issue.
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    Default Re: "flashlights not allowed"

    They won't confiscate them. At most they'll tag them, give you the tag stub, and put them in a lockbox until you claim them. But even that is highly unlikely.

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