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    Default Surefire LX2 type 2-stage tailcaps - why discontinued?

    I've noticed that surefire has now removed all of the dual stage 2-mode pressure tailcaps from their line (LX2, A2 Aviator). Were these tailcaps considered reliable? Any idea why they're gone?


    Thinking about mounting a single mode Malkoff scout head to an LX2 and getting 2 modes out of it - but having a hard time finding a reasonably priced LX2.....

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    Default Re: Surefire LX2 type 2-stage tailcaps - why discontinued?

    LOL, when it rains it pours.

    Background info today:
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...a-new-Surefire

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    Default Re: Surefire LX2 type 2-stage tailcaps - why discontinued?

    Kestrel,

    In the other thread you mention the 10 ohms resistor in the LX2 cap and how the low mode might not be low at all using for example, the 350 lumen Malkoff E2T Scout Head.... If that's true it sort of ruins the idea doesn't it!

    Love the E2T head Malkoff produces, but want a low mode too!!

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    Default Re: Surefire LX2 type 2-stage tailcaps - why discontinued?

    IIRC, the reason the 10-ohm resistor still made an effective 'Low' in the 200+ lm LX2 (compared to the 20lm Gen5 L1, the 65lm Gen6 L1, and the 100lm L2 - all of which had the 10-ohm tailcap resistor) was that the LX2 driver sensed when the resistor was inline to the circuit and moderated its output accordingly. This is from what I've read tho - I've never owned an LX2.

    Out of curiosity, what I have tried was to install a 1400+ lumen Moddoo XPG Triple (direct drive), in a SF C2 that had a 250-ohm modded Z41 two-stage tailcap (the legendary & rare McC2S).
    In that case, I estimated that the new 'low' was ~20 lumen - and would never want to see what happens if all that amperage had to go through a measly 10 ohms, that's for sure.

    A true cutting-edge upgraded LX2 could work, but it would be a very significant undertaking - by a very experienced & capable modder.
    Although those tailcaps are great (I happen to have a few, <cough> ), but even I wonder if the massive effort would be worth it in the end ...

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    Well, I am so bummed two days after losing my 6th Gen L1 upgraded with a 5000K XP-G2(I work at an ER, a doctor borrowed it and set it on a table and it is GONE).
    I only have the LX2 now, I have other SF torches but those two with the 2 stage switch are irreplaceable.
    Hopefully the EB1 300 lumem comes out with the 2 stage switch.
    I'll take them over all those new lighta coming out every day with a dozen modes and astounding output for a few minutes.

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    There is an eb1-t for sale in the market. Does that have the 2 stage cap you like?

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    Yes it does.

    I am after the 300 lumen EB1 though, looka like SF will only release it with the clicky. Bummer.

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    A modded L2 and a Kroma are two lights I still use because of this UI.

    You can program an HDS to duplicate most of the functionality, btw: Momentary high and low from off, and constant low with momentary high.
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    Surefire has lost their minds!, I too am so disappointed. I browsed through their catalog only to shake my head. Now we all now Surefire and their catalogs, but they already have the parts, so yeah no more 2 stage tailcaps. I don't think anyone at Surefire actually uses their lights anymore. The turn they have taken over the years is crap. I miss the Surefire of yesterday when they actually made lights that users loved. Having said all that, I ordered a new E1D with the hopes that maybe THIS time I will grow to get by with the click for high then click again for low. I have been carrying my E1L-A for awhile now and have grown used to low then high. I sure wish they would reintroduce the LX2!.

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    I share the same sentiments on the LX2 and 2-stage tails as you Teak. The LX2 is a damn good light that to me is well deserving of remaining in the surefire lineup. Sure would have been nice to see an updated 500 lumen version even though the old one still kicks ass.
    I still to this day don't understand why Surefire never released the LX1? I'd love to know what the decision makers at SF were thinking when they gave that concept the axe. They definitely dropped the ball on that one..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMM View Post
    Well, I am so bummed two days after losing my 6th Gen L1 upgraded with a 5000K XP-G2(I work at an ER, a doctor borrowed it and set it on a table and it is GONE).
    I only have the LX2 now, I have other SF torches but those two with the 2 stage switch are irreplaceable.
    Hopefully the EB1 300 lumem comes out with the 2 stage switch.
    I'll take them over all those new lighta coming out every day with a dozen modes and astounding output for a few minutes.
    Hope the doc is going to pay for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tachead View Post
    Hope the doc is going to pay for it?
    He did try to find a replacement online and in stores, but just as I told him, chances are slim. He told me he'll pay me cash at the end of the month if he still hasn't found one by then.

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    Yes, exactly. The LX2 Ultra should have been released. The same good ole 2 stage tailcap. 15 lumen low and 500 lumen high. The LX1 as well. 10 lumen low and 300 lumen high. My LX2 was my most carried light. Everyday for 3 years. Then I give it away as a gift and sure wish I wouldn't have. I have had 3 over the years and now I don't have one..bad on my part. If surefire released the LX2 Ultra and LX1, I would by 10 of each and just put them away!..
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty wage guy View Post
    I share the same sentiments on the LX2 and 2-stage tails as you Teak. The LX2 is a damn good light that to me is well deserving of remaining in the surefire lineup. Sure would have been nice to see an updated 500 lumen version even though the old one still kicks ass.
    I still to this day don't understand why Surefire never released the LX1? I'd love to know what the decision makers at SF were thinking when they gave that concept the axe. They definitely dropped the ball on that one..

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    I too am disappointed to see that Surefire has removed the 2 stage lights from the website. It was my favorite feature. My L1 and LX2 are some of my favorite lights. I may need to find an EB2 tactical before they are all gone.

    I discovered the L1 after they were long discontinued and paid a lot to get one.
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    Default Is Surefire killing the two-stage switch?

    I went to check the EB2's page today and the reference to two different models, one with a click-switch and one with a 'tactical' (two-stage) switch, has disappeared. There appears to only be one model.

    All the other ones appear to be going or gone, too - the LX2 Ultra is gone. The only one left is the A2L Aviator, which is an extremely old design at this point, clocking in at only 120 lumens it can't be long for this world.

    None of their new lights have the two-stage switch - it's all a clickfest from here.

    Can they really be killing the two-stage switch?

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    Default Re: Is Surefire killing the two-stage switch?

    Jellydonut- There is a similar thread going in LED flashlights right now, I'm going to merge this into it. Good question though, I hate to see them go...

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    Default Re: Is Surefire killing the two-stage switch?

    I've put a Scout head on my LX2 and the difference between levels is very slight. I still love my LX2 in stock form, though.

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    Default Re: Is Surefire killing the two-stage switch?

    So since these awesome switches are now discontinued. Does this mean a new model is coming or is SF just done with 2 stage switches?
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    Default Re: Surefire LX2 type 2-stage tailcaps - why discontinued?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hudson456 View Post
    I've noticed that surefire has now removed all of the dual stage 2-mode pressure tailcaps from their line (LX2, A2 Aviator). Were these tailcaps considered reliable? Any idea why they're gone?
    Looks like the LX2 and A2L are still in the online catalog on the SF website. A few more legacy lights are still in the online NSN list.

    I'd say the SF UB3T still has a version of the two stage tailcap.

    Some more LX2 revival talk on this recent thread:

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...re-LX2-is-BACK!!

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    Default Re: Is Surefire killing the two-stage switch?

    I'm curious about this too. I see they are still on the Surefire website. Is this the last chance to order? They seem to be "discontinued" on every other site. Any info on where Surefire is going with this line next?

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    Default Surefire LX2 type 2-stage tailcaps - why discontinued?

    LX2 switch design was genius. I used mine a lot. It had the perfect pressure and travel.

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    Default Re: Is Surefire killing the two-stage switch?

    Quote Originally Posted by airrick View Post
    I'm curious about this too. I see they are still on the Surefire website. Is this the last chance to order? They seem to be "discontinued" on every other site. Any info on where Surefire is going with this line next?
    I called and spoke to a rep, he said they will be around for a long time.

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    Default Re: Is Surefire killing the two-stage switch?

    In researching this 2-stage LX2 tailcap I came across this thread, and now I am confused. Last two posts confirm the LX2 with it's 2-stage tailcap is still available for sale on Surefire's website and other resellers such as Amazon:

    The LX2's tactically-correct two-stage pushbutton tailcap switch lets you instantly select output level: press for a momentary-on 15-lumen long-runtime low beam suitable for general night use or close work; press further for a momentary-on 200-lumen high beam—ten times the light of a big two-D-cell flashlight; twist for constant-on low beam, twist further for constant-on high beam.
    Was this tailcap previously sold separately by Surefire? Is that what has changed? Or is the LX2 no longer listed in the Surefire catalog, even if it is still available on the website? I'm confused about the grievances in this thread... appears they are unfounded (but I am doubting what it appears like to me). What am I missing? Thanks.

    edit: Oh, wait.... Still, further explanation would be nice... still unclear what happened... Surefire discontinued, then quickly revived LX2 production?


    Also, more importantly, does this LX2 dualstage tailcap have an official name or designation, like Z41 or Z52? How do I identify it? How do I find a replacement LX2 2-stage tailcap? Thanks!
    Last edited by chillinn; 01-13-2017 at 03:11 AM.

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    Default Re: Is Surefire killing the two-stage switch?

    Quote Originally Posted by chillinn View Post
    Was this tailcap previously sold separately by Surefire? Is that what has changed? Or is the LX2 no longer listed in the Surefire catalog, even if it is still available on the website? I'm confused about the grievances in this thread... appears they are unfounded (but I am doubting what it appears like to me). What am I missing? Thanks.

    edit: Oh, wait.... Still, further explanation would be nice... still unclear what happened... Surefire discontinued, then quickly revived LX2 production?

    Also, more importantly, does this LX2 dualstage tailcap have an official name or designation, like Z41 or Z52? How do I identify it? How do I find a replacement LX2 2-stage tailcap? Thanks!
    I don't believe the LX2 tailcap was ever offered separately or given a Z-number. As I posted above, I think the LX2 and a few other legacy products, like the A2L, have been on the SureFire price list for years with NSN numbers. I've speculated earlier that this was perhaps to supply equipment specified years ago in special ops contracts. A new 2017 SF catalog and price list should surface in the coming days, perhaps at the SHOT Show next week. I bet the Russians already have it .

    My experience in the past is that SureFire customer service will send you a new two-stage tailcap if your light fails their 'paperclip' test. There was a bad batch of L2 (not LX2) tailcaps years ago and apparently I got one. After troubleshooting over the phone, the rep sent me two replacement tailcaps free of charge.

    Is the LX2 tailcap the same one as the A2L tailcap? I've learned in the past that some cosmetically similar SF parts might not Lego due to different threading and slightly shifted contact areas.

    Here's a good CPR resource thread on the legacy tailcaps for the 'standard' bodies:

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...es-with-IMAGES

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    Default Re: Is Surefire killing the two-stage switch?

    My limited understanding is that SF briefly brought back the LX2 for a time in 2016 due to requests from users. As of right now, there is no way to order one online at SureFire's website, it just says to call their 800 number. So it appears that it has been discontinued again, unless you can score old stock at a dealer or call SF directly.

    (Edit: Oops... Vox beat me to it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfoot View Post
    My limited understanding is that SF briefly brought back the LX2 for a time in 2016 due to requests from users.
    (Edit: Oops... Vox beat me to it.)
    Yep, and my suspicion is that the 'users' weren't like you and me but government entities.

    Over in the watch world, the original Omega X-33 was issued to Shuttle and ISS astronauts and sold publically for a few years.

    Now, I think it is only available from Omega through government or military sales channels. Perhaps the LX2 listing reflects a similar situation.

    It does appear to me that SF has abandoned the two-stage tailcap in recent lights, will it, like the knurling on some models, make a comeback someday?

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