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    Hello

    I have had possibility to use and test all 3 main Lemax searchlights: LX50II, LX70 and LX70 Superpower. Thanks to Petr by the way

    I am a big fan of powerful LED lights and I have many different lights in my collection. Also I have some cheaper HID lights including FF IV. I have to say that Lemax products are completely different story...

    Amount of light coming out of them is enormous and that is combined with very useful beam pattern. Just perfect for professional searchlight. Even more - neutral color temperature enables to see details much better than conventional LED searchlights with XM-L2 / XP-L / XHP LEDs.

    The biggest surprise for me was that those lights won't get hot on continuous operation on max mode (there is no step down as you can expect from HID light). They stay reasonably warm and do not get hot unlike most LED lights and my FF IV do. In that point of view those lights are extremely well designed.

    Do not know how their battery pack is built and what kind of elements are used but runtimes seems to be very close of what has been stated in manuals.

    LX50II performance and beam pattern is quite close to FF IV 2nd/3rd setting. LX70 outperforms LX50II. LX70 Superpower easily outperforms LX70 in real conditions. It is hard to get difference of those 3 lights into photos but in reality difference is huge. Until we have HID-s like Lemax I can say that LED lights have a long way to go to achieve similar real life performance. I am not talking in terms of lumens or throw... I am talking about the whole package you get.

    It is interesting that in despite of reflector sizes beam patterns of those 3 lights are not very different. You can see difference in closer ranges (hot spot vs spill) but on bigger distances there isn't much difference any more.

    In cooperation of professional SAR crew we tested Lemax products side-by-side on dark sea with such magnificent LED lights as Nitecore TM36, Fenix RC40, Acebeam K60, X60L and K70. In those conditions none of them was close to any of Lemax lights in terms of usefulness. It is hard to explain why. You have to experience it by yourself.

    I can say following about LX70 Superpower thow... Before we went to sea with SAR crew one of the crew members turned LX70SP on and directed light over the bay. It lighted up beach and trees on the other side without any problems. Could easily see details on other side. Distance to opposite side of the bay was 2,5km (1,5...1,6 miles) and I can confirm that there was a lot of reserve in despite of this 2,5km range and some moisture in air. I see no reason why LX70SP shouldn't cover up 4km according to ANSI standard. Of course you need good binoculars in that situation

    Downsides of these lights?
    They are heavy, especially LX70SP. Included handle is very useful and provides firm grip tough. Acebeam X60 and Fenix RC40 (that are great LED lights) feel like toys comparing with LX50II/70/70SP weight.
    Price. But you get what you pay for. You will forget the price tag each time you turn on one of the Lemax monsters in dark

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    Double post, sorry...
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    Hi, first post in more than 3 years after registering in CPF?


    That's a nice write up from you. Although I never seen the actual unit of LX70SP by myself before but I do believe that it is a great searchlight and it does produce tremendous output with good quality.

    Quote Originally Posted by OdorlessCurves View Post
    In cooperation of professional SAR crew we tested Lemax products side-by-side on dark sea with such magnificent LED lights as Nitecore TM36, Fenix RC40, Acebeam K60, X60L and K70. In those conditions none of them was close to any of Lemax lights in terms of usefulness. It is hard to explain why. You have to experience it by yourself.
    But bear in mind that we need to compare apple to apple - the LX70SP has a whopping 8" reflector while these LED flashlight reflectors are "tiny" in comparison! It's true that with our current technology LED still has not caught up with the performance of HID bulb in terms of the combination of lumens + throw, but the difference gap is getting more and more smaller especially with the availability of XHP-35 HI, XHP-70 and some other great LEDs.

    Also the LX70SP is running at 70W of power, while none of the LED flashlights that you mentioned is running anywhere close that.

    LED is still evolving, but HID bulb technology has been stagnant for many years already.

    By the way, I am kinda curious how this LX70SP pairs up with the Maxabeam (short-arc) that can produce 12MCP as claimed by the manufacturer? If I'm not mistaken the Maxabeam is even cheaper than this LX70SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibihang View Post
    Hi, first post in more than 3 years after registering in CPF?


    That's a nice write up from you. Although I never seen the actual unit of LX70SP by myself before but I do believe that it is a great searchlight and it does produce tremendous output with good quality.


    But bear in mind that we need to compare apple to apple - the LX70SP has a whopping 8" reflector while these LED flashlight reflectors are "tiny" in comparison! It's true that with our current technology LED still has not caught up with the performance of HID bulb in terms of the combination of lumens + throw, but the difference gap is getting more and more smaller especially with the availability of XHP-35 HI, XHP-70 and some other great LEDs.

    Also the LX70SP is running at 70W of power, while none of the LED flashlights that you mentioned is running anywhere close that.

    LED is still evolving, but HID bulb technology has been stagnant for many years already.

    By the way, I am kinda curious how this LX70SP pairs up with the Maxabeam (short-arc) that can produce 12MCP as claimed by the manufacturer? If I'm not mistaken the Maxabeam is even cheaper than this LX70SP.
    Well you've been gone for 3 years but came back on top of your game.

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    Not to mention cost, at 10x + the expense , i would expect nothing less than amazing performance tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    Not to mention cost, at 10x + the expense , i would expect nothing less than amazing performance tbh.
    +1 better light up pluto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offgridled View Post
    +1 better light up pluto
    and an extra ring around Saturn! amazing light, got wimmers name all over it

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    Would love to see LX70SP/Maxabeam/Megaray shootout. Hey we can dream right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    and an extra ring around Saturn! amazing light, got wimmers name all over it
    I'm just going to buy one and send it to wimmer to install the batteries in it. Well maybe not a good idea I like wimmer too much to lose him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offgridled View Post
    I'm just going to buy one and send it to wimmer to install the batteries in it. Well maybe not a good idea I like wimmer too much to lose him
    Between bulbmogel and batterymogel......we will have light!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    Between bulbmogel and batterymogel......we will have light!
    +1: true that

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    Just owning this light is a treat in itself and worth every penny just in bragging rights of ownership...
    Surefire Hellfighter-5 Surefire Arc2-8C, LeMax LX70 Superpower,Lupine Betty TL2, Lupine Piko TL, Lupine Betty R14, Lupine Betty6, Lupine Piko2

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulbmogul View Post
    Just owning this light is a treat in itself and worth every penny just in bragging rights of ownership...
    Please brag away, but do it with more pics

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    Pictures would be exciting and prove ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offgridled View Post
    Pictures would be exciting and prove ownership.
    He has posted pics, but i think he borrowed it so need proof today


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    Quote Originally Posted by Offgridled View Post
    Pictures would be exciting and prove ownership.
    All you have to do is search back through here and you will see pictures or i have pictures of it on youtube..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    He has posted pics, but i think he borrowed it so need proof today

    Ummm ok..! It is right here on my desk collecting dust..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulbmogul View Post
    All you have to do is search back through here and you will see pictures or i have pictures of it on youtube..
    I'm just playing really just a little jealous!! It's a great light and I need one.

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    Great looking light!

    Imgur is very easy for photo hosting, no weird restrictions. Just drag and drop, then copy links, it even generates embed thumbnails at various sizes.

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    It's killing me that I can't come up with the money without taking out a loan, which is a big no-no. All I can do now is hope a distant relative passes and leaves me $3,000. Hmm, maybe doesn't HAVE to be all THAT distant? Just thinking aloud here.

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    All good things come to those who wait, just put a bulb fund together, few 100 bucks a month........soon get there

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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    All good things come to those who wait, just put a bulb fund together, few 100 bucks a month........soon get there
    I've always said all good things come to those who wait " left over from those who hussled"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wimmer21 View Post
    It's killing me that I can't come up with the money without taking out a loan, which is a big no-no. All I can do now is hope a distant relative passes and leaves me $3,000.
    This light is $3,000 shipped? Where is a link with that price? Could have sworn it was more like $5,000

    Quote Originally Posted by bulbmogul View Post
    Just received notification from FEDEX that my new Lemax LX70 Superpower has been SHIIPPED and suppose to arrive to me on Friday morning before noon.. WOW shipping weight is 35LBS..
    That case has to be pretty heavy, have you weighed the light by itself?
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    The light by itself with the battery on it, is about 8.25 lbs compared to under 5 lbs. for the standard 70, that's a 65% weight increase. All that increased weight is in the head size.

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    Beamshots!? It's like endless appetizers up in here and I'm ready for the steak!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    The light by itself with the battery on it, is about 8.25 lbs compared to under 5 lbs. for the standard 70, that's a 65% weight increase. All that increased weight is in the head size.
    Ok thank you! I remember inquiring about these lights but it was a long time ago, somewhere I recall a discussion about a comparison between the Lemax LX70, and the XeRay XV-LX70, whether or not they were the same. For the life of me I can't recall what the verdict was, are they the same light or are they different??

    Lemax LX70
    http://www.lemax.cz/searchlights/2-lemax-lx70

    XeRay XV-LX70
    http://www.xevision.com/hid_searchlights.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastFlashlight View Post
    Ok thank you! I remember inquiring about these lights but it was a long time ago, somewhere I recall a discussion about a comparison between the Lemax LX70, and the XeRay XV-LX70, whether or not they were the same. For the life of me I can't recall what the verdict was, are they the same light or are they different??

    Lemax LX70
    http://www.lemax.cz/searchlights/2-lemax-lx70

    XeRay XV-LX70
    http://www.xevision.com/hid_searchlights.html
    The Machined parts, reflector and battery are identical, with the addition of our "Powered by XeVision" logo on the head. Our version uses a more expensive true high wattage Philips DL50/740 bulb and our proprietary high wattage igniter, not a 35 watts rated bulb/igniter. This means longer bulb life and better lumens maintenance. Our version also uses our proprietary 2nd generation, time tested (4 years in serial production), military and aviation grade, CNC machined very tight tolerances cylinder ballast. This 2nd generation ballast provides optimal efficiency, thermal performance and interface tolerances for optimized ballast heat dissipation, ballast reliability and long life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    The Machined parts, reflector and battery are identical, with the addition of our "Powered by XeVision" logo on the head. Our version uses a more expensive true high wattage Philips DL50/740 bulb and our proprietary high wattage igniter, not a 35 watts rated bulb/igniter. This means longer bulb life and better lumens maintenance. Our version also uses our proprietary 2nd generation, time tested (4 years in serial production), military and aviation grade, CNC machined very tight tolerances cylinder ballast. This 2nd generation ballast provides optimal efficiency, thermal performance and interface tolerances for optimized ballast heat dissipation, ballast reliability and long life.
    Ok thanks for the reply. It sounds like we're comparing the best player in the world to a top 10 player in the world, both being incredible military grade products, yet the XeRay just goes above & beyond with absolutely no expense spared whatsoever. Ok then the pricing seems to make sense than, I suppose $3,000 for the Lemax LX70 Superpower sounds about right then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastFlashlight View Post
    Ok thanks for the reply. It sounds like we're comparing the best player in the world to a top 10 player in the world, both being incredible military grade products, yet the XeRay just goes above & beyond with absolutely no expense spared whatsoever. Ok then the pricing seems to make sense then, I suppose $3,000 for the Lemax LX70 Superpower sounds about right then.
    We don't sell the SuperPower for weight, size and balance (CG) reasons, (ergonomics) so can't comment to that pricing, the market for it is very small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    We don't sell the SuperPower for weight, size and balance (CG) reasons, (ergonomics) so can't comment to that pricing, the market for it is very small.
    I suppose if someone wants the SuperPower they have accepted the weight and size factor, but I'm thinking that the awkward balancing would be the most annoying part.
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