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    I was wondering if we had any Subaru Outback drivers here, or any other Subaru drivers here? I myself am driving a '16 Subaru Outback 2.5i, that replaced the Tahoe that got totaled in the accident in Dec.
    This is my first Subaru. I did some extensive research before buying it. I have always driven a 4x4 truck, and the Tahoe was my first 4x4 SUV. I wanted something more environmentally friendly, and better on gas. And if I was going to give up my 4 wheel drive, I wanted the BEST AWD system out there, and from all my research, that seemed to be Subaru.
    I love my Outback!! I got it with the EyeSight package, and it is a pretty amazing safety package.
    I couldn't be happier with my choice in vehicles!
    Anyone else have big love for their Subaru?

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    I have been a Subaru Impreza driver for 18+ months, before this i had a 4x4 shogun so my motors need to be 4wd or RWD ..................dont like FWD cars. Unfortunately i had a little accident last week, handbrake decided to come off(100% on when left car or it would have rolled back then, not 2 mins later when in shop!). Rolled back 3ft or so into a post, cracked bumper on the o/s ..........not impressed!! Hopefully new bumper coming early next week...............anyway i digress.

    I have been quite happy with the flat 4, has a cobra exhaust to help the flat 4 burble and other than a boost gauge, i have left it as is. Been there too many times with endless mods, so held off this time just being a work/family/school run chariot. Its been quite a reliable motor so far, had to replace the top header coolant pipe the other week near the turbo. Hose had split and luckily i caught it in time! If i could improve it, i would have a bigger boot as camping+kids= lots of stuff.

    Little pop up for short breaks and the subaru in the distance

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    Huge fan of Subarus. They have excellent handling and gas efficiency, and perform very well in all conditions. I had a bit of a disappointment with the trend of Subaru deciding to favor gas mileage over Horsepower - modern Imprezas are fairly sluggish when it comes to acceleration and hauling but they are not designed to be workhorses. As a younger fellow I had an STI that I eventually sold because it was repeatedly stolen in the area where I was living and working.

    The Outback is a favorite - great amount of cargo space in a solid vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKC
    I was wondering if we had any Subaru Outback drivers here, or any other Subaru drivers here? I myself am driving a '16 Subaru Outback 2.5i . . . This is my first Subaru . . . Anyone else have big love for their Subaru?
    2006 Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT Limited driver here. When I first got it, LOVED it! Then a couple of years later, the Turbocharger blew up like 3 times. Now it's truly a beat[er] around town car. Really feel put out about what happened and spent too much on it already. By the way, it is all stock.

    Now looking for another vehicle; Subaru or Ford F-150. Those are the only two (2) choices I'm considering.

    Enjoy your Subarus CPF Peoples!
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    Does your Eyesight package include autonomous braking? Have you tested it yet?

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    Love Subaru
    Bought a 1999 Forester about 8 years ago-- has almost 203,000 miles on it now. Need to keep track of CV joints and timing belt. Plenty of power, and with snow and ice tires, it rules in winter. Have to avoid getting high centered. Stow a shovel for that.

    Before that a 1982 that had a transfer case. Little thing. With snow tires it would scamper over settled snow drifts that heavier machines would not handle well at all.

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    Former licensed wholesale/retail car dealer here. From extensive hands-on with buying/servicing/driving/selling *many* different makes/models, I can affirm the build quality of Subaru. But ... due to brand loyalty they can be hard to find/buy and seem to attract a type of buyer who doesn't keep them very clean or well maintained. As for actual 4x4/AWD performance they're right up there with Audi and Land Rover (two brands I have seen perform truly amazing feats in icy and muddy conditions). But in every category and car deal there are trade-offs. Local market conditions may result in crazy good deals on off-lease Audis and at the same time seriously overpriced stripped down and ill-maintained Subarus, insanely great deals on Range Rovers simultaneous to blatant ripoffs on F150s and Toyota Tundras. All in all, my advice is to get a trustworthy third party inspection on any used vehicle and shop an area within radius as far as you can comfortably drive (eg lease returns are aggregated into regional regular auction sales where you'll see a glut of whatever make/model). On some models this regional variation can save $10,000 on a two year old off-lease with remaining and extendable factory bumper to bumper warranty - well worth a $150 one way airfare and day spent driving home. Also, especially in these model specific glut markets, keep in mind the dealer "floor plan" (his financing for his inventory) is typically around 90 days after which he must pay off his financier and carry the unit on his books resulting in powerful incentive to dump that specific unit even at a loss in some cases. Last, and this is *key* to buying from a dealer, *always* be ready and willing to walk away. Never ever get invested emotionally in a car before you buy it. There is no such thing as a "unique" car and there will always be another one like it and another dealer eager to sell. Patience and diligence will reward you!

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    We have a 2016 Outback. Premiere model with 2.0 litre diesel on a work lease deal.

    It will do nearly 1000km on a full tank which means the long hauls here in Australia are reasonably efficient as we don't have to stop very often.

    The CVT auto is a bit laggy but once going drives fine. We have only used it off road on fire roads so far. We use it for hauling our mountain bikes and camping gear to trail heads for which it is perfect.

    It's very very good value here in Australia compared with other comparable 4wd station wagons from the Audi/VW/Skoda group

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    I dont personally own one, but my father has owned a sucession of them. Mainly 1.8 and 2.0 Sports wagons and 2.5i Outbacks. His current Outback i think is early 2000'ish, maybe 01 or 02. None of them have ever given cause for complaint, and i think the current Outback will stay, till he 'falls off the perch'. He's getting a bit long in the tooth to be buying another one.

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    Owner of 2010 Forester..
    My first turbo charge vehicle & i absolutely enjoy it.
    No problem lugging the extra loads, passengers & the generous boot space..

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    Thanks for the Great advice

    Seems like Audi and Land Rover would cost more for service/parts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Highbandwidth View Post
    Former licensed wholesale/retail car dealer here. From extensive hands-on with buying/servicing/driving/selling *many* different makes/models, I can affirm the build quality of Subaru. But ... due to brand loyalty they can be hard to find/buy and seem to attract a type of buyer who doesn't keep them very clean or well maintained. As for actual 4x4/AWD performance they're right up there with Audi and Land Rover (two brands I have seen perform truly amazing feats in icy and muddy conditions). But in every category and car deal there are trade-offs. Local market conditions may result in crazy good deals on off-lease Audis and at the same time seriously overpriced stripped down and ill-maintained Subarus, insanely great deals on Range Rovers simultaneous to blatant ripoffs on F150s and Toyota Tundras. All in all, my advice is to get a trustworthy third party inspection on any used vehicle and shop an area within radius as far as you can comfortably drive (eg lease returns are aggregated into regional regular auction sales where you'll see a glut of whatever make/model). On some models this regional variation can save $10,000 on a two year old off-lease with remaining and extendable factory bumper to bumper warranty - well worth a $150 one way airfare and day spent driving home. Also, especially in these model specific glut markets, keep in mind the dealer "floor plan" (his financing for his inventory) is typically around 90 days after which he must pay off his financier and carry the unit on his books resulting in powerful incentive to dump that specific unit even at a loss in some cases. Last, and this is *key* to buying from a dealer, *always* be ready and willing to walk away. Never ever get invested emotionally in a car before you buy it. There is no such thing as a "unique" car and there will always be another one like it and another dealer eager to sell. Patience and diligence will reward you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonWrangler View Post
    Does your Eyesight package include autonomous braking? Have you tested it yet?
    It does. I didn't test it per say, but IT beat me to the brakes, when someone in front of me slammed on the brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKC View Post
    I was wondering if we had any Subaru Outback drivers here, or any other Subaru drivers here? I myself am driving a '16 Subaru Outback 2.5i, that replaced the Tahoe that got totaled in the accident in Dec.
    This is my first Subaru. I did some extensive research before buying it. I have always driven a 4x4 truck, and the Tahoe was my first 4x4 SUV. I wanted something more environmentally friendly, and better on gas. And if I was going to give up my 4 wheel drive, I wanted the BEST AWD system out there, and from all my research, that seemed to be Subaru.
    I love my Outback!! I got it with the EyeSight package, and it is a pretty amazing safety package.
    I couldn't be happier with my choice in vehicles!
    Anyone else have big love for their Subaru?
    I'll have to keep an eye on this thread since I'm in a similar situation. I love my 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee, but it will bite it sooner or later so I'm doing my homework now. The Outback is pretty much the only one on my list so far if I don't get another Jeep. I just want a little extra ground clearance and AWD over a car.
    GOOD TINT!

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    It does. I didn't test it per say, but IT beat me to the brakes, when someone in front of me slammed on the brakes.
    Excellent. What approximate speed this this happen at?

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    I had a 2005 WRX... I'll forever miss that thing. Fast car to start with, then I replaced the sway bars, added short show shifter, lightweight crank pulley, air intake, ECU tune... I know I'm forgetting more. And then I drove the heck out of it. Don't get me wrong, it got hand washed almost every week, loved constantly, and waxed at least once per month. Followed all maintenance schedules to the T, doing oil changes myself. I had the car 5 years and only had two problems. The first was about 6 months in; the cruise control stalk end button got a little play and could rattle at just the right RPM. (Yes, I had them replace the stalk because the button had play.) I had an extended warranty on it, and around 4.5 years one seat heater required replacement. Fair enough, it was my first vehicle with seat heat and that novelty got used constantly. But the car never let me down, was an absolute beast in the snow, was flickable in corners...great car.

    I now have to have a vehicle capable of towing our 4000 lb boat+trailer so that precludes Subaru for my DD. (Audi Q5 TDI met my fun+function quota; that's another story and a questionable financial decision.) But my wife went with the 2016 Legacy last year and couldn't be happier. It's not WRX fast but it does handle great, the AWD is great, the MPG is way above anything else with AWD, and the price was great too. In over a year of driving it, it's done all that's been asked.

    I have no qualms recommending Subaru. They've been great for us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonWrangler View Post
    Excellent. What approximate speed this this happen at?
    ​40 mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKC View Post
    ​40 mph.
    Thanks. This is helpful.

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    On our second subaru, looking for the third.
    wife had an 09 impreza, i got an 09 forester.
    got rid of the impreza when she was pregnant, she had difficulty driving and we used the money for other things.
    the forester is now the family car and i drive a "bunky" 96 toyota paseo** to work and back.
    looking at replacing the bunky when it finally dies with another subaru, probably a forester or a liberty (i think its a legacy in the rest of the world)

    **230,000km hail damaged, slipping clutch, but it only cost me a carton of bundy rum+coke cans, and the airconditioning and heating is incredible - freezing cold or toasty warm in 5 mins after starting it up.
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    Outback vs. Forester? Go...
    GOOD TINT!

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    I don't like the looks of the Forester for one thing. The Outback is more comfy, at least for me, and there is more room as when you fold down the 2nd row of the Outback.

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    Where I live Outback is considered a station wagon and I believe Forester is considered SUV so Outback cheaper to insure. My wife's 2010 Outback has needed nothing but oil changes, tires, bulbs and brakes. Very cheap to maintain. Very nice quiet ride.

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    I took my Subaru on 4.5K + trip, from my piece of MA. to Sturgis, SD. It is soooo comfy to drive!! (I have a bad back, and am in constant pain.) There were 2 adults, and a dog. We had the back loaded to the gills, and the a/c on the whole way. The speed limit in SD (80 MPH)., killed my gas mileage. We had a great trip!! I LOVE my Outback more & more!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by markr6 View Post
    Outback vs. Forester? Go...
    Forester has more articulation I believe. And does have better angles of approach and departure. I can also see through the windshield better because of the location of the rear view mirror.
    The Outback as a little more cargo room and is a few inches wider and longer. The seats may be a bit more comfortable. It also has a higher towing capacity even with the same NA 2.5 engine and CVT. Perhaps the extra length is why.
    I'm not sure which is more comfortable to drive overall or has better handling as my Forester isn't stock anymore. 1.5 inch lift, heavy duty King Springs, and slightly larger all terrain tires make it a bit rough. Not as bad as when I was using just lift springs though, but still kind of harsh.
    The XT does handle quite a bit better, but those stiffer springs to make it harsher. It can also be modded to be a very good handling vehicle. Not sure if there are as many suspension mods to the Outback for handling and steering.

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    If anyone is looking at Subaru here are a few observations from someone who is on his/her 5th or sixth:

    -Subaru is the most over rated vehicle on the planet
    -Subaru has had and continues to have problems with either head gasket or engine block failures-at least half of the cars we have owned showed glycol in the engine oil either immediately or after a few thousand miles (we have a construction company and routinely send in diesel oil samples I just got in the habit of sending others in)
    -Subaru has had problems with their exhaust system for many years, the heat shields will begin to rattle, dealers will attempt to fix this very annoying problem by using band clamps, sometimes an awful lot of clamps, our '11 Outback has five clamps with a few self tapping screws and the problem still exists. A new exhaust system-which is the way to permanently fix the problem will cost just about $2,800 as the pzev cars have two cats and related piping: by the way Subaru continues to use mild steel exhausts.
    -Subaru has bought back two of our cars for serious problems-the Company can and frequently does behave very very badly-talk to anyone who has one of the shakers and hear for yourself, we had two.
    -Subaru has a well documented problem of headlight failures-we have replaced no fewer than four lights since new and the replacement is not easy, a few weeks ago we got a letter saying soa would step up to the plate and help out
    -Saved the best for last: Subaru has gone to cvt transmissions across the line, doing so adds to the corporate fuel economy number to the tune of less than two mpg. Ours failed at 51k miles and we discovered only two options existed. Purchase a reman unit from Subaru (the cvt CANNOT be rebuilt as conventional transmissions can). Three dealers quoted from $6,500 - $9,500 for a reman with an incredible warranty of 2yrs/24k.

    In every way shape and form Subaru has become a disposable car, the cost of cvt replacement WILL more than likely exceed the value of the vehicle. Unless of course you opt to go the boneyard route which is what we did, TWICE. First unit failed in a week and while the yard stood behind the tranny we did pay for all labor twice; total cost was just over $3,000 AND we did not have any engine code problems which can be an additional problem with a second hand unit.

    I am not typing that the cvt units are failing right and left, what I am stressing is that with the cvt you are between a rock and a hard place should yours poop out.

    If you MUST have a Subaru either get a manual or LEASE. Yes leasing is just a bit more however you do get the security of being able to turn back in a pos should you have one OR buy it should you have a keeper which we truly do hope you get.

    Feeling lucky?

    Forgot to add- we should have kept our '06 XT, stupid fast, real transmission, no coolant in the oil: all we had to deal with is the front wheel death shake. Which SOA described in their last letter to us as being " a unique attribute of Subaru ownership".

    The Mrs. just set me straight; we are on number six and even we got two cars with no issues BUT those were the first and second ones-'86/91 I think.
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    Wow I'm surprised you haven't switched to Hondas by now.

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    Will be joining the Outback owners club in ~December; very impressed that the new Outbacks are so plainly aiming at Audi, and doing a very good job at it. Touchscreen infotainment on the family hauler, amazing..

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    nbp, we looked at Honda last week, couldn't find one-new- without a cvt.

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    for those who don't know about these (cvt) wonderful inventions:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c47caRqbbnE

    link fixed
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    Holy mackerel, I didn't know about the CVT problem. Thank you for this. I was looking at an Outback with CVT and now I'm not so sure (unless I lease it).

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    We are fortunate as we are able to 'absorb' a very significant unexpected expense with only some adjustments in things we -want/like- to do but how about others who have been or WILL be put into a situation that cannot be resolved or resolved easily?

    EVERYONE looking at Subaru has to be aware of the incredible cost of replacement of the cvt AND that REPLACEMENT is the only option' Sure you can go to the local junkyard but total replacement remains the only solution and with the boneyard unit you may also end up with a cvt that 'works' but just may cause engine codes. We know of one person who eventually had to go back to the salvage yard and buy the computer from the car which the cvt came from, this was the only way he could get to a no-code situation AND by the way the only way a dealer would take the car in trade. Then again you just may end up like us, with a failed junk yard tranny and the additional expenses associated with a failed unit.

    To quote Mr. T-'pity the fool' who ends up with that car.

    ASK the dealer you go to about what they charge to 'fix' a failed cvt-ASK what the warranty is for this mega dollar item and then, I hope, you will realize the insanity of opting for a vehicle with a cvt.

    Leasing is the only intelligent option for those who MUST have a Subaru but even this only mitigates the pain of getting rid of the car-I can personally guarantee that the pain of ownership is assured. From what we understand Subaru has just reached the distinction of being the only maker who achieved the status of having TWO class action lawsuits for the same problem:

    www.carcomplaints.com/news/2016/subaru-oil-consumption-class-action-lawsuit.shtml

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