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    Default Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    I've had a few in the past, shied away from the convoy S2 because of it. I just got an Astrolux S41 with quad 219b and it seems an impressive, quality little light. The rear clicky and the 1/2 clicks to change modes instantly reminds me why I don't care for them though. Love my zebralight and Olight side switches. Hate a side switch with a hold to turn off like the Klarus G30 and my old Shadow triple. I notice the convoy with the metal switch instead of the rubber over it, is this a better feel? There are some pretty high end lights with clicky switches, am in the minority?

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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    Honestly - used to hate them for the longest time. Just recently I saw their true benefit. If you move into the programmable drivers like the lucidrv/lucidrv2 or switch levels regularly they can be a real time and finger saver. To switch levels, get into programming (which is usually 8 clicks or more), program setting (which can be up to 24 clicks depending on the driver), etc being able to just do a momentary off/on rather than having to do a full click off and then back becomes really convenient.

    Other than the one example above though I still prefer a regular forward clicky.

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    For me, it depends on the light. My Eagletac has both, so all good there.

    In general, I prefer a side switch, instead of rear clicky. I always know where the rear switch is, but that is not where my thumb is. Also, electronic switches always work, but I am old enough to recall when clickies were the first thing on a flashlight to fail.

    Wait for delay is not a prob for me time-wise, but the first thing that my mind goes to instantly is "What am I doing wrong/What is wrong with the light?"
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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    Preferred switch types (in order) ...

    * Two-stage (momentary + twist)
    * Twist (single mode)
    * Forward clicky (mechanical)
    * Electronic (tailswitch)
    * Rotary (ring-type)

    Not preferred (in order) ...

    * Reverse clicky
    * Side switch(s)
    * Twist (multimode)
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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    Similar thoughts here to what SOYCD posted; didn't like them until I tried one. I like having momentary mode and still prefer forward for 2 or 3 mode lights but I have a couple 5 and 6 level lights that I put reverse clickies in. The only multi-level UI that comes to mind that I wouldn't want to see with a reverse clicky option is HDS.
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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    I always preferred the forward clickie until I started EDCing my D25A. It's the only reverse clickie I own. As far as a side switch, I much rather have it on the tail cap than the side.

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    I prefer rear forward clickies. Electronic side clickies are not as good but beat reverse clickies in my book

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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    Like forward clicky + magnetic ring, easy to use, intuitive, logical rumping up & down, no parasitic drain. Love clasics Sunwayman...

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    I can't stand the reverse clickies! I think I started a thread like this year's ago...

    For work, I need momentary on...the first time I tried it with a reverse, it went through all modes. Meh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noctiluco View Post
    Like forward clicky + magnetic ring, easy to use, intuitive, logical rumping up & down, no parasitic drain. Love clasics Sunwayman...
    I also love the magnetic ring, preferably with a back forward clicky as well. I fear the magnetic control rings are disappearing due to popularity of side clickies with exotic ui like Zebralight. I really liked the Jetbeam TC-R2 version best but the latest RRT-OSE one got terrible reviews. The HDS is great but too expensive and then there's the low output and the wait.

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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    I prefer forward rear clickies, but reverse clickies allow for output control via turning the bezel, which I like. So, it depends on the lights UI.

    I hate side switches, but the awesome UI of the Zebralight makes it worth it in their case. If they could put the same UI on the rear it would put the other makers out of business.
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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    I would rather have a forward clickie, but can live with a reverse. The reason I would rather have a forward clickie is that with a forward, a partial push is momentary on, while with a reverse, a partial push is a momentary off. A simple little blip of light is impossible with a reverse clickie. The Nitecore MT06 is a reverse clickie, and one gets used to it after a while. One of my current favorite lights, the BLF 348, is also a reverse clickie, but since it is a single mode light it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothybil View Post
    I would rather have a forward clickie, but can live with a reverse. The reason I would rather have a forward clickie is that with a forward, a partial push is momentary on, while with a reverse, a partial push is a momentary off. A simple little blip of light is impossible with a reverse clickie. The Nitecore MT06 is a reverse clickie, and one gets used to it after a while. One of my current favorite lights, the BLF 348, is also a reverse clickie, but since it is a single mode light it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
    That is true and the type of clickie will definitely depend on the use of the particular light. If you need that push momentary then forward is the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recDNA View Post
    I also love the magnetic ring, preferably with a back forward clicky as well. I fear the magnetic control rings are disappearing due to popularity of side clickies with exotic ui like Zebralight. I really liked the Jetbeam TC-R2 version best but the latest RRT-OSE one got terrible reviews. The HDS is great but too expensive and then there's the low output and the wait.
    Maybe because I started with side switches, it doesn't seem exotic to me, for the ZL 1 push for turbo, long push for moonlight, 2 pushes for medium. The astrolux takes a full click for on and 6or7 partial pushes for turbo.

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    Also, with a clicky, the light has to be almost shoulder height to point forward and use your thumb. A side switch can be turned on down at your side just coming out of a pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Sully View Post
    I always preferred the forward clickie until I started EDCing my D25A. It's the only reverse clickie I own. As far as a side switch, I much rather have it on the tail cap than the side.
    I'm same, ET D25's were the first reverse clicky I liked. I have others from Fenix and Tiablo but never got along that well with them. On the D25 it just seems right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMS1970 View Post
    Maybe because I started with side switches, it doesn't seem exotic to me, for the ZL 1 push for turbo, long push for moonlight, 2 pushes for medium. The astrolux takes a full click for on and 6or7 partial pushes for turbo.
    Please read the first part of my post. I want magnetic control wheel. Set output before even turning on light with wheel then the forward clicky is simply to turn it on. No multiple presses like Astrolux or Zebralight.

    By exotic I don't mean bad. I love my 2 Zebralights. Still, magnetic infinite adjustment is my fav and I mourn its passing.

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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    I hate them too!!!

    I expect a cheap crappy light when I encounter a reverse clicky!!

    and the UI sucks also but that's my opinion

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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    I kinda like them however it's not a make or break thing for me.
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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    Good thing they make all kinds to accommodate the different choices people prefer. In order of my preference:

    Rear tail cap forward clicky and momentary function with separate mode change button like the Nitecore UP/DN with direct access to high and low
    Reverse clicky with mode changing at that switch
    Single electronic side switch (slightly OK with the MH20's dual function switch)

    I know the electronic side switch lights are popular. I've tried a number of them and just don't like the lack of momentary. On some the parasitic drain kind of bugs me. And they seem to have more reports of failure of the light. However, my wife likes them the best .
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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    Quote Originally Posted by hiuintahs View Post
    Good thing they make all kinds to accommodate the different choices people prefer. In order of my preference:

    Rear tail cap forward clicky and momentary function with separate mode change button like the Nitecore UP/DN with direct access to high and low
    Reverse clicky with mode changing at that switch
    Single electronic side switch (slightly OK with the MH20's dual function switch)

    I know the electronic side switch lights are popular. I've tried a number of them and just don't like the lack of momentary. On some the parasitic drain kind of bugs me. And they seem to have more reports of failure of the light. However, my wife likes them the best .
    Also find some electronic switches less responsive.
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    Never have.

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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    I use momentary often, so I've avoided reverse clickies. If I'm willing to do without that, I prefer a good side switch like the one on the Fenix RC11 (which has been designed to be easy to locate in the dark).

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    reverse clicky tailcap switches are ok, but I much prefer electronic switches either on the side or in the tail.

    Electronic switches allow for a much more intuitive interface with shortcuts to min and max. They're also much quieter.

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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    I will only buy a rotary switch for my EDC. It's the most common, logical, intuitive operation of most devices.

    I'm glad my stove, radio, windshield wipers, dining room light dimmer don't have push button controls like most of these ridiculous lights.
    Wish: 1) Super low beacon; easy find flashlight. 2) Low voltage indicator, so not stranded without light. 3) Simple, one handed control ring mode changer (magnetic control ring). 4) Flood beam for walking/tasks. 5) Pocket carry. 6) LiFePO4.


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    Default Re: Am I the only one that really doesn't like rear/reverse clickies?

    Quote Originally Posted by snakyjake View Post
    I will only buy a rotary switch for my EDC. It's the most common, logical, intuitive operation of most devices.

    I'm glad my stove, radio, windshield wipers, dining room light dimmer don't have push button controls like most of these ridiculous lights.
    A note on rotary. I like them too. Some are way expensive like HDS. Magnetic variable control tends to not be as efficient. Ones without tailcap switch may have a parasitic drain. Plus and minus for everything.

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    Cycling through modes is like setting a clock where the numbers can only go one direction, and if you miss the number you wanted, you have to start the cycle over again.

    It doesn't surprise me that most people don't find that ridiculous, but I find it unacceptable and ridiculous for EDC.

    Full clicks, half clicks, holds, time between clicks??? Ha ha ha...ridiculous. My lights don't operate that way. I control my light by an uncomplicated ring rotation, and get whatever brightness I want. Super simple, easy, get what I want every time. For EDC, I'll never go back to the overloaded multi-functional clicky.
    Wish: 1) Super low beacon; easy find flashlight. 2) Low voltage indicator, so not stranded without light. 3) Simple, one handed control ring mode changer (magnetic control ring). 4) Flood beam for walking/tasks. 5) Pocket carry. 6) LiFePO4.


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    Im with the OP on this one to. Not my favorite. Touch displays like Imalents or a magnetic ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snakyjake View Post
    I will only buy a rotary switch for my EDC. It's the most common, logical, intuitive operation of most devices.

    I'm glad my stove, radio, windshield wipers, dining room light dimmer don't have push button controls like most of these ridiculous lights.
    Anything new that's good? I don't like how the v11r wheel gets too easy to turn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeterg View Post
    Im with the OP on this one to. Not my favorite. Touch displays like Imalents or a magnetic ring.

    Biggest problem for a small EDC is that magnetic rings and touch displays take a lot of space.

    For example: The Sunwayman V11R with magnetic ring is powered by a single 16340 or CR123, yet the light is virtually the same size as the DQG18650 Tiny IV, which is powered by an 18650, is brighter, and has much longer run times.

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