Schwarzenegger ready to license illegal aliens

Schwarzenegger ready to license illegal aliens.

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Stupid voters wouldn't know a conservative if it.....

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon23.gif.. ok, I'll dive in head-first...

I don't think this is such a bad idea... WAIT!!!... hear me out...

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But, Jesse Diaz, 39, a graduate student at UC Riverside and a member of the Mexican-American Political Foundation Backers, sees it as a practical move.

"There's definitely a need for it," said. "They're going to drive regardless. It's just now the rules will be safer. They're going to have insurance. There will be driver's training. It will be great."

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I wouldn't use the word "great" but I do see it as an unfortunate necessary evil. The other bill that Davis signed was just plain irresponsible and ignorant. This one has potential... as long as there are requirements. Insurance... yes!! Training... yes!! ... and one other thing that I would ask for... some indication that they are illegals. Something similar to the "Under 21" stamp that we see on current resident driver's licenses.

Here's the thing... police officers cannot arrest people for being illegal aliens. That's a federal thing and only the feds can bring charges and deport or whatever they do. I know that here in my town, the closest INS office is at least two hours away. And they can't be bothered with coming up here. We toss illegals in jail for driving without insurance and a license but we can't detain them for being an illegal alien. We can arrest them for any of the laws that any citizen can be arrested for... but not for being an illegal alien. Getting the picture?

So if they are issued licenses and required to have training and insurance, then they are also "in the system". This means that if they are arrested for other crimes, the INS can be notified immediately and if they choose, they can detain them. I think that this really has the potential for increasing state revenue as well as creating a database of just who is in this country illegally. The majority of the illegals that I know in this town would jump at this opportunity because for the most part, they are very law abiding and hard working families that would do things as legal as they could... if they could.

I just don't see this as a totally bad thing... if it's done correctly... but what are the odds on that? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon6.gif

Slim to none.

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The licenses would look identical to those of other residents.

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NOTHING prevents them from getting driver's training now.
NOTHING prevents them from getting auto insurance now.

You are right that this could be handled in a safe, responsible, and beneficial to all manner.
But the quote above already shows me that it will not be.
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GJW said:...Stupid voters wouldn't know a conservative if it.....

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Arnold isn't a conservative, he's a republican. The closest thing there's been to a conservative party in this country was the reform party under Buchanon - but that's dead.

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The closest thing there's been to a conservative party in this country was the reform party under Buchanon - but that's dead.

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Thank God... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon6.gif ... in so many ways, the conservatives are just as bad for this country as the liberals are. Each is an extreme. But I guess you have to have one if you have the other... each to keep the other from completely f***ing up this nation. Perhaps that's why I like President Bush and Governor Schwarzenegger so much... they both know where the middle is... IMHO, of course.

This is stupid...

Working as an LEO in the Bay Area, I can say that there are huge amounts of illegals driving illegally, working illegally, etc.

Giving them the opportunity to obtain a D.L. is nonsense. How would their I.D. be varified for that D.L. to be issued? They have no REAL Social Security card, many Latin American and Mexican Illegals do not have any proof of birth or Gov't issued I.D. from their home country. Many Mexican Illegals (especially from the Yucatan Province in So. Mexico) don't even know when they were born. This also seems to be centered on the Ilegals from Latin AMerica and Mexico. The Bay Area has a HUGE population of illegals from Eastern Europe and one of S.F's highest population of illegals comes from Ireland (but you'd never hear that on the news...)

As for insurance...I write on an average of two moving citations per shift, and a rough estimate would be that 80% of the drivers have no proof of insurance. The unlicensed driver is a whole other issue.

The ability to obtain a D.L. is no indication of driving skill, nor guarantee of an insured driver.

AS for deportation, I can't do any deportation activity, that's Federal. but, most County Sheriff's have INS Agents that laision with them to deport illegals when they are arrested, usually for felony crimes.

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GJW said:...Stupid voters wouldn't know a conservative if it.....

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Arnold isn't a conservative, he's a republican. The closest thing there's been to a conservative party in this country was the reform party under Buchanon - but that's dead.

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As a foreigner doing my best to steal as many American's jobs as I can, I say good riddance /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

That being said, I am encountering a lot of complete disagreement regarding what conservatism actually *is*, amongst those aspiring to that label. By the understanding of these guys, for example, Pat Buchanon is not a conservative at all, but something else.

What I find interesting is that this disagreement reminds me strongly of the parallel one among socialists about what socialism "really means", which has been going on for over a century. It follows the same pattern: its enemies sem to know exactly what it is, but its adherents don't. It is my conviction that this parallelism is not coincidence, but an artifact of common philosophical parentage. I'm in the midst of research to check this premise.

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The closest thing there's been to a conservative party in this country was the reform party under Buchanon - but that's dead.

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Thank God... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon6.gif ... in so many ways, the conservatives are just as bad for this country as the liberals are. Each is an extreme. But I guess you have to have one if you have the other... each to keep the other from completely f***ing up this nation. Perhaps that's why I like President Bush and Governor Schwarzenegger so much... they both know where the middle is... IMHO, of course.

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That's like saying that it's a good thing that a swaying drunk has a right foot and a left foot, to keep him from falling over as he sways from left to right... while failing utterly to notice that the drunk is walking *backward* right back into the muck of tyranny.

Conservatism and liberalism (in the modern political meanings) are not extremes, they are merely a reflection of each other. The real opposition is freedom versus tyranny, and by that measure, the "extremes" suddenly look rather alike... and the middle isn't nearly the sacred cow so many have been bamboozled into thinking.