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    I really dislike instant coffee, and two weeks ago we went car camping with the scouts.
    I decided to bring a two burner Coleman propane stove instead of my JetBoil.

    I was undecided on how to make coffee in the morning. ???
    My son has a coffee press.
    My daughter, likes loose tea, in those infuser bowels, essentially stainless steel strainers that turn loose tea into tea bags.
    I have a Mellita pouring cone (where you line the cone with a filter, and coffee, and then pour hot water through it).
    I decided to go the tea bag... coffee bag route.
    LOL... it didn't work too well. The ball didn't close tightly enough, and I had a LOT of coffee grinds in my coffee.

    On my next trip, I'll bring the Mellita with filters.



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    The Melitta doesn't really shine until you use the micro-perforated filters with it; it's the one option I wish my more user-friendly Kalita Wave had. The traditional didn't-bring-hardware campfire coffee is the cowboy dip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    The Melitta doesn't really shine until you use the micro-perforated filters with it; it's the one option I wish my more user-friendly Kalita Wave had. The traditional didn't-bring-hardware campfire coffee is the cowboy dip.
    I had to look up the Kalita Wave to see why you said it was more user-friendly, I don't see why. BUT... I see that they do offer filters for it now.

    Yeah... we ended up kind of doing the cowboy dip method. Boiled up the coffee in a quart sized pot with a cover, and then filtered the coffee through the mesh/strainer of the tea infuser. LOL... it was a little bit of a rubes goldberg solution, but it was better than straining the coffee grinds out through my teeth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy View Post
    I had to look up the Kalita Wave to see why you said it was more user-friendly, I don't see why. BUT... I see that they do offer filters for it now.
    The Wave is flat-bottomed with three holes, so there's no one point where all the water is running through causing over-extraction at that one spot, the grounds seep evenly throughout. It's as good as pour-over gets with a standard filter, though I swear by the perforated filters which are not available for the Wave. The Aeropress has at least as much high-end nuance as the pour-over if you cut a perforated filter for it, and of course the french press is unbeatable so long as you want syrupy roast darkness with the other flavors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    The Wave is flat-bottomed with three holes, so there's no one point where all the water is running through causing over-extraction at that one spot, the grounds seep evenly throughout. It's as good as pour-over gets with a standard filter, though I swear by the perforated filters which are not available for the Wave. The Aeropress has at least as much high-end nuance as the pour-over if you cut a perforated filter for it, and of course the french press is unbeatable so long as you want syrupy roast darkness with the other flavors.
    Gee,
    You speak about coffee like a fine glass of wine

    So what is the difference between a Mr Coffee filter and a perforated filter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy View Post
    Gee,
    You speak about coffee like a fine glass of wine

    So what is the difference between a Mr Coffee filter and a perforated filter?
    Worked as a professional barista for a year as a younger guy, and have been honing my technique in the decade-plus since

    The perforated filter lets through just a bit of the coffee oils, which a standard paper filter absorbs completely; doesn't really make any difference if you're using store-shelf coffee, but if you're using fresh roast, it allows you to taste some of the brighter overtones that would be missing otherwise. Some Panamanian coffee tastes very nice through a paper filter, but only through a perforated filter or french press do you notice the subtle note of blueberry in the background.

    If you haven't tried fresh roast coffee yet, you need to do that before bothering with any of these technical details though - the best store-shelf coffee in a $1,000 barista station doesn't taste as good as fresh roast in a $10 drug store coffeemaker. Order through the mail if necessary, I can personally guarantee you that trying fresh roast in whatever you brew your morning coffee in now will taste better than anything you've tried via any other method with store-shelf stuff, it's that big a difference.

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    Grind your beans & put 'em in a freezer Ziploc
    Bring a gold mesh filter






    Make your own brew setup on the fly & enjoy some coffee in the field


    Got Milk?

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    I have something like this in stainless for my Mr. Coffee.
    I bought it primarily because too often the filter paper fell over and grinds snuck their way into my coffee.
    When the screen ripped, I started using paper filters under it.
    In other words, I would insert paper filter, then the screened basket, then coffee grinds.

    I have noticed that there is an oily feel to the bottom of the screened basket.

    Even though I have a new one, I have still been using paper filters under it.
    I have noted that the paper filter is less porous than the screen, in that it traps finer particles.
    I guess I should remove the paper for a more flavor-able coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by orbital View Post
    +

    Grind your beans & put 'em in a freezer Ziploc
    Bring a gold mesh filter






    Make your own brew setup on the fly & enjoy some coffee in the field


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    I haven't noticed a significant difference taste-wise between paper and mesh when using store shelf coffee; coffee "dust"/superfine particles affect coffee flavor once water touches them, not after brewed coffee leaves the filter.

    Be aware that the oils added to your coffee by mesh filters [alone] increase bad cholesterol, if this is a health issue for you, you shouldn't be using this method daily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    I haven't noticed a significant difference taste-wise between paper and mesh when using store shelf coffee; coffee "dust"/superfine particles affect coffee flavor once water touches them, not after brewed coffee leaves the filter.

    Be aware that the oils added to your coffee by mesh filters [alone] increase bad cholesterol, if this is a health issue for you, you shouldn't be using this method daily.
    I question the validity of such studies.

    Some say coffee enemas are good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy View Post
    I question the validity of such studies
    I'm living proof; my last blood panel came back perfect with the exception of borderline bad cholesterol thanks to daily French press use, that's how good fresh roast is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    I'm living proof; my last blood panel came back perfect with the exception of borderline bad cholesterol thanks to daily French press use, that's how good fresh roast is..
    I would go with ...
    1. lack of exercise (exercise converts bad cholesterol LDL Low Density Lipo-proteins to HDL High Density Lipo-Proteins. Exercise converts the bad to good.
    2. Stress... Cholesterol is created in the body, independent of intake, and the body creates more when it is in a stressful state.


    There are so many variables, 80% lean beef, vs 95% lean beef in hamburgers, or meatloaf.
    PrimeRib VS leaner cuts of meat.

    More bacon or less?

    More fried foods or less?

    Then there is the discussion regarding grain fed beef vs grazed beef.

    Chicken thighs vs wings, or breasts.

    Olive, vs sesame, vs canola, corn, vegetable oil.

    Again, there are so many variables, for all intents and purposes, to blame borderline high cholesterol on any ONE issue is IMO not reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    I'm living proof; my last blood panel came back perfect with the exception of borderline bad cholesterol thanks to daily French press use, that's how good fresh roast is..
    SH,
    I am sorry, but I wrote you a 20 minute response that didn't post because of a server error, I'm not willing at this time to re-write that response.

    If you would point me to what ever study you are citing, I am certain that I could rip them a new orifice.

    There are so many variables that could create elevated LDL cholesterol, that I doubt that they could find a population that could cause the French Press, as the only differentiating factor.

    Oh, I didn't mention genetics as a possible differentiating factor.

    HDL High Density Lipo-protient
    Stress increases LDL Cholesterol
    Exercise convert LDL to HDL.
    Stress, creates, LDL.
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    I walk 12-15 miles a day moving ~20 lb weights, I'm pretty much a lumberjack at this point. But yeah, better to enjoy good coffee

    Fun fact: Seal Team Six, the team responsible for the death of Bin Laden, has a communal french press which they only use to painstakingly make coffee and sit and and drink for an hour immediately before missions. That's how good fresh roast is..

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    I was working with my boss on the same table, then he went away and left his macbook next to my laptop. I went to kitchen and could only found instant coffee, so I made a cup and put it next to my laptop.

    I made a wrong move and the coffee spilled on to the table and into the macbook. It died instantly, without any sign of resurrection

    Long story short, the macbook is recovered (thanks to Apple care protection plan) and I don't have to pay anything. But it made me kinda "hate" instant coffee ever since.

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    I took my Melita camping this weekend, with the scouts, and other parents.

    It worked pretty well, although little slow for making multiple cups of coffee.
    Great for one or two, but I think the next time that I go I'll bring a coffee press.

    I thought that I would speed the process, by putting the loose coffee in a pot of boiling water and letting it steep, then pour it through the melita with a filter. I thought that it would go through faster. Unfortunately, the very small particles clogged the filter pretty quickly, whereas while it has coffee grains in it, the water/coffee manages to get through.

    I was the only one making fresh coffee... the others brought instant.
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    I remember making what was called "cowboy coffee".Threw the coffee in the boiling water to steep.After the coffee was done the trick was to poor some cool water in the pot to settle the grounds to the bottom.You then dipped the coffee out and poured it into your cup.

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    http://www.healthline.com/health/hig...link#Overview1

    Here's some stuff on cholesterol Poppy. Hope it helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy View Post
    although little slow for making multiple cups of coffee.
    Great for one or two, but I think the next time that I go I'll bring a coffee press.
    The one I use is all stainless steel and ~32 fl oz/4 servings, there are even larger variants if you need. Nothing to break and no filters. If you're boiling water over a campfire, I'd recommend bringing a cooking thermometer and a timer; the water should hit the grounds at 195-205F and brew for four minutes - higher/longer is more bitter, lower/shorter is weaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    The one I use is all stainless steel and ~32 fl oz/4 servings, there are even larger variants if you need. Nothing to break and no filters. If you're boiling water over a campfire, I'd recommend bringing a cooking thermometer and a timer; the water should hit the grounds at 195-205F and brew for four minutes - higher/longer is more bitter, lower/shorter is weaker.

    I roast my own coffee, and know a thing or two about coffee. Everything you have said throughout this thread is right on. Spoken like a true connoisseur.

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    I use the aeropress, with fresh roasted coffee, ground just before brewing. Yum yum yum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noboneshotdog View Post
    I use the aeropress, with fresh roasted coffee, ground just before brewing. Yum yum yum!
    I spent many months trying to find a better brewing method over [the inventor] Mr. Adler's, gotta say he had it right the first time. I did find that a perforated filter allows more nuance through, and this is the only way I'd use an Aeropress after discovering it; you have to just buy a pack and trace-then-cut your own filter by hand, sounds silly but it's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noboneshotdog View Post
    I roast my own coffee, and know a thing or two about coffee. Everything you have said throughout this thread is right on. Spoken like a true connoisseur.
    What roaster do you use?
    I enjoy the freedom of having different roast profile every week according to my mood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandalian View Post
    What roaster do you use?
    I enjoy the freedom of having different roast profile every week according to my mood.
    I'm a home roaster. Just a Poppery 1 popcorn popper from eBay, circa 1980.

    I have tried more contemporary poppers but the original Poppery $50-100 depending on the condition is perfect. I buy 8lbs of various coffees from around the world from a company out of California, Sweet Marias. Usually roast once a week.

    If you are not already roasting your own thier are many tutorials on YouTube.

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    The original Poppery popcorn popper, how about you?

    I buy from Sweet Marias. Usually 8 lbs at a time every couple months.

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    The original Poppery popcorn popper, how about you?

    I buy from Sweet Marias. Usually 8 lbs at a time every couple months.


    Sorry for the multiple posts. I thought I lost my first one in cyberspace, then this one double posted. Computer problems.
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    nobones,
    Thanks for the link.
    It was an interesting read.

    It looks like a well done meta-analysis. It's validity relies upon how well the studies it relied upon accounted for the so many possible con-founders. At least, most of the studies they relied upon, took into account the milk fat, dairy products used as additives.

    I guess I have been lucky (from a health prospective) that I have been using a Mr. Coffee with paper filters for most of my adult life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandalian View Post
    I enjoy the freedom of having different roast profile every week according to my mood.
    The local roaster has a few options too



    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy View Post
    I guess I have been lucky (from a health prospective) that I have been using a Mr. Coffee with paper filters for most of my adult life.
    The good news is that Mr. Coffee is healthier, the bad news is that the actual chemical process of brewing takes place at 195 degrees, nearly all drip-style coffemakers top out at ~160. Most people have drank warm water run through grounds their whole lives, but have never had a brewed cup of coffee

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    The local roaster has a few options too





    The good news is that Mr. Coffee is healthier, the bad news is that the actual chemical process of brewing takes place at 195 degrees, nearly all drip-style coffemakers top out at ~160. Most people have drank warm water run through grounds their whole lives, but have never had a brewed cup of coffee
    LOL...I
    can't win!
    So now I am going to have to measure the temp of my mr coffee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy View Post
    LOL...I
    can't win!
    So now I am going to have to measure the temp of my mr coffee
    Mine
    is about a year old. Just water is at 168-172 F. I guess if it had to heat the coffee grinds, then the temp would be less.
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