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    To start with, I like cigarettes. I like coffee, and I like chocolate. In moderation none of those is a big deal but....

    Like anything too much of a good this is.... too much.

    I used chocolate for years to offset cravings for the sugar in alcohol when it was time to stop binge drinking. It worked. Haven't used alcohol beyond a shot of nyquil for over a decade now. Trouble was, I ate too dam much chocolate for a few years. About $35-40 a week on candy or other snacks and it was taking a toll after a while so I stopped doing that.

    I used coffee to stay alert out on the highway at 2am. When returning to day work coffee is still part of a routine. Now Mrs. Fixer makes coffee you can use as paint. It's yummy but causes diaretic issues so when working in heat that aint cool. So I switched to 50% decaf then decaf and get a morning boost with fruit juice.

    I grew up in a family who should have been born with a chimney sticking out of their skull. And all who smoked (notice past tense) passed away from heart issues. By 12 I was trying cigarettes. I stopped by 13 but resumed at 15. I'm 54 now. And like drinking, I did not go the moderation route. But at 54 it's time to rethink that way of life. I have noticed (thankfully) that smokers are becoming fewer and fewer in my daily circles. Most I run with are younger and never understood the virtue of a cigarette. So they look at me as an oddball. Well not only because I smoke, but carrying at least 2 flashlights in the daytime also causing looks with a head tilt.

    A recent visit to a heart doc caused the thoughts of smoking to become a habit that needs to stop. Plaque in these older arteries is quite likely an issue that will only get worse. I remember watching a video of blood flow in my dad's heart and asking his doctor "how is that blood getting from A to B" (as there was an obvious gap in an area) and doc says "that is one of those miracles I cannot explain". Now, I did not go see a heart doctor because it seemed like it was time. It's like going to a dentist after not going for 20 years.... because there's an issue that requires a specialist. Doc didn't say "quit or die". What he said was "I smoked from 17 to 45 and quitting was the hardest thing I ever did".

    I told him I quit everyday..... for about an hour. He suggested a vaper. He said the jury is still out on the long term affects but by not ingesting tobacco smoke the plaque buildup will halt. Hey, count me in.

    I have quit cold turkey several times. I learned each time what I was doing wrong after the fact. A few years back I tried cig-a-likes before that word was even used. They were called 'digital cigarettes' back then. Trouble was they were less than reliable and make from Lord knows what. Mrs. Fixer would get painful blisters on her lip from digital smoking and mine kept popping causing nicotine laiden juice to run down my face. A whole day supply of nicotine soaking into my skin was not my idea of a good time.

    It's 2018 and vaping has come a long ways thank goodness. Sure those junky cig-a-likes put out by big tobacco still exist. But the fad of digital smoking is no longer a fad. It's an industry not unlike the flashlight industry. And I've met countless people who kicked the tobacco stick habit with a vape device. Not only that but proprietors are more than happy to help smokers stop. Afterall they make a living selling non tobacco products.

    What my first thought was to return to the e-cig. But then I discovered these "pod" systems that take all the guesswork out of the process and replace the buldge in your pocket once taken by a pack of cigarettes and now replaced with something safer.

    In my home state they banned smoking indoors a few years back. But vaping was still new so that wasn't banned. Mrs. Fixer and I to get our kicks would whip out our e-cig and puff away in a restaraunt to get reactions from others. Often the reaction was puzzlement as other patrons thought we were violating a law because the e-cig tip glowed like the real thing. Now vaping is banned too. I had begun to notice in traffic there were times a driver would bellow out enough (what I thought was) smoke to look like the inside of their car was on fire. It turns out that "big clouds" from a vape device is a big deal to some.

    So when I rejoined the digital world that was not on my list. 40 year smoker lungs whince watching those folks. I set about learning about the vape while trying out a pod or two but.... none were satisfying that craving to ingest tobacco smoke. Fruity, snacky type flavors are yummy and satisfying to the taste buds for a bit. Yet my brain wasn't falling for it. Each puff of grape was creating a stronger urge. My brain was also saying "you need tobacco flavor dummy". Yet all of the juices out there were only attempts with a dab of vanilla or flavorings trying to mask the non real McCoy.

    I stumbled across a brand called Black Note while learning the vape details and instructions at a stoners youtube channel. I did some research and found a flavor called Prelude (virginia tobacco).

    Tah-Dah!! Those folks have found a way to gentley remove tobacco flavor from real tobacco without harsh chemicals. I ordered two bottles of this fairly pricey stuff and boy was I not disappointed. A tankful in my favorite mod was about to begin. First puff was a surprise. Wait a minute.... that wasn't vape, that was a cigarette.... so I lit a tobacco stick and did a puff by puff comparison with my pod that hits like a cigarette. I could not believe it.

    That was yesterday at about 4pm. It's now 9am and I have not smoked anymore cigarettes since that last side by side test. Not even an after dinner smoke. So this is what I'll call day 1. And it is still early. And to add a bit of torture to the test I have a pack of smokes nearby. Ok, so last night I did try another cigarette, but put it out after a few drags because I liked the vape experience with Prelude better.

    My choice of device at this time is a pod by JoyeTech called a Dolphin. An update to my backup, also by JoueTech called a Penguin. Both have a ceramic coil system with choice between 0.25, 0.6 and 1.2 ohms for a different experience with the same flaving. I like the 0.6 and bought a few replacements. It gives off a similar experience as those mods that use 0.5 ohms that provides a satisfying flavor and a good "drag" to mimic that all addictive tobacco stick. I put a tester tip on mine from trial batching at various vape stores and head shops. The soft silicone tip extension mimics a filter on a tobacco stick. I also added a few drops of butter/pecan/almond tobacco by Camelot to the Prelude juice for a pleasant after taste to aid the yuck mouth/want another cigarette urge. The Prelude is a 50/50 vg/pg mix that is smooth, smooth, smooth. Not the least bit harsh.

    I'm not saying my way is 'the way' to halt smoking. I'm just throwing out a few tips that can hopefully help someone else who is stuck like I was trying to trick their brain into thinking the vape tool is the real thing. As a reward and way of helping with vape tongue I keep a backup device loaded with a flavor I found to be to my liking when trying to curb the tobacco stick urge. In my case it's an Avail mix called Pandoras Box, which is a nice blend of sour grape and sweet grape. The 0.6 also provides a combo of sweet/tart my brain likes. 0.25 was too tart. 1.2 was too sweet.

    I started vaping about two weeks ago to reduce my smoking. No thoughts of quitting were on the radar. Afterall I like cigarettes. It was easy at first and after a few days my smoking was down 75%..... but little by little the tobacco stick was taking back lost ground like the enemy in a tough battle to the death. But why? I pondered.

    It was beginning to look like no matter what flavor of candy, juice or food I vaped that urge for a nasty ole cigarette was not easing up, but getting worse. When I did those first few puffs of Prelude I though "nah, this aint gonna work either". After about 25 puffs I began to forget I wanted to smoke. It was the darndest thing. My brain over the last two weeks was craving the sweet stuff from the vape but the yuck from a cigarette too. Now my brain is being satisfied in both cases.

    At $23 for 30 ml it aint cheap. And Black Note is not the only one using natural flavor extraction either. But the ones I had tried before "reds", "partriots" etc all tasted like tobacco smells. A smoker will tell you that it's the flavor of burning tobacco, nota flavor that tastes like unburnt smells that satisfies the urges. Otherwise we'd all be walking around with an unburned cigarette taped under our noses.

    Hopefully others will share their tips on how they were able to finally say "I'm done with the cancer stick". Like building muscles, no pain no gain. So there is going to be a struggle. Yet like throwing darts at a bullseye, you likely won't hit the double bull dead center on the first throw. If you keep trying at some point (with or without a cessation aid) you will hit it.

    For me triggers are caffienated coffee, the smell of a burning cigarette, urges after a meal and a stressful situation. I switched to decaf coffee (and a juice as a stimulant), puff on a nice desert flavor after meals and will have a tobacco flavor available for typical urges (plus one using a 0.25 ohm coil to get an even stronger vape for those stressful times). And I look forward to times when I can say "don't smoke" when someone asks for a light.... (instead of handing them a flashlight.)


    Money well spent


    Possibly my last cigarette.
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    Later today the Mrs. and I are planning to visit a highly reccomended local vape shop. Me, for a flavor of juice that mimics that candy whose motto is "taste the rainbow" and being a tinkerer will probably leave with a device that fits in my shirt pocket but allows the tinkerer in me the opportunity to try various wicks and coils.

    Mrs. Fixer wants a pen. A refillable device that can be adjusted to enhance or reduce tastes of the multi flavored brews she has discovered. See, I showed her how a particular sauce she likes can change using different ohms from pre-made coils in her favorite pod system. We won't be looking for enough power to start the car in the event of a dead battery.

    But we do want to be able to tweak the "drag" or flavoring at times. And I really doubt either of us will be putting out so much steam we cannot see each other setting across the table from one another.

    What we also want is to puff away while the grandson is in the room without the notion he is breathing a batch of leftover tobacco smoke, without having to step outside in a thunderstorm to have a cigarette.
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    Awesome! There have been a lot of stories similar to yours. I've also heard of some people where it didn't work. I don't smoke or vape so feel free to correct me but the big factor is that cigarettes wreck your sense of smell/taste so you don't notice how disgusting they are. If you drop cigarettes entirely for vaping then your smell/taste starts to return. Once that happens it is really hard to go back. If you "cheat the diet" and even have just 1 cigarette a day in addition to vaping then your smell/taste won't return.

    There is also another element. It helps to be aware of how much nicotine is in the juice you buy. A lot of people have had great success with tapering down the nicotine in the juice. It saves even more money and eventually the vape just becomes an adult pacifier. Usually the story ends with them misplacing their vape one day and never bothering to replace it
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    Thanks for the tips Para. Your site rules btw.

    I'm attacking the habit from various directions such as recognizing the triggers, seeking out advice (and support), keeping a cup of yummy (non trigger inducing) liquids nearby and taking mental notes of the positive affects thus far. Lessons learned from previous attempts that hopefully won't be repeated. Yet the cigarette flavor was outflanking all those other stategies.

    I did not set a target date, nor stress over the lost battles. Afterall, in total average of 2 weeks my smoking was down 50% .... at least. Some days the cigarette whipped me pretty good, but not a single day of 30+ happened. Nope, on the losing days it was like 20. Instead of 15-20 ultralights and 15-20 full flavor it was 20 ultralights. And that was the bad days. The good days were 10 ultralights. That's 10 without the urge for more than that. No toture, no pain, no mental anguish. But I also took note of the triggers and changed that. One trigger is to reach in my shirt pocket and whip out a smoke. A pod satisfied that muscle reflex. So a big ole box that requires a tote bag aint going to solve that issue.

    The soft tip satisfies the unconscious sensation that hard plastic did not. Now it's only been 2 weeks. My goal was not to quit entirely two weeks ago. It was to reduce the number of cancer sticks per day and yet still enjoy a few.

    To me it's like eating a elephant. Overwhelming at first, yet after a few bites and taking time to chew, relax and digest for a couple of weeks.... the goal that was at one point to smoke 5 or less per day has (subconsciously) changed to zero at some point. No pressure, no intension of zero by day X. Nope, it's a thing of puffing on a device a few times each time the brain says "oh just one won't hurt". (Like right now lol.)

    A blog writer at Black Note told the story of how he "accidently" quit smoking by vaping. Apparently he tweaked a blend of tobacco flavors that his brain preferred over the real thing and one day realized he hadn't smoked in 3 days. Whoops.

    My brother has stopped smoking. He vaped for years without stopping cigarettes. When I told him I was vaping his competitive urge took over. He pulled out some classic devices and resumed the vape. That was the last day he smoked. So I ask him a couple of times a week to describe what makes him want to smoke. Being my identical twin we share similar personalities so I have advance knowledge of triggers. Yet he has a competetive spirit about him. When we played baseball he liked the role of pitcher or short stop as being part of the action floats his boat.

    I preferred right field. On guard if needed but largely un-noticed. He is also a type who likes to be out front with new gadgets where I prefer tried and true things. He had a blu-ray player before I replaced my hi-fi vhs machine. So he's up on all the latest vape gadgets and has told me he is bringing me his former favorite mod device later today. It seems he has acquired one that has a brain, yet is capable of being put through rigorous abuse and still work. Kind a cross between a David Chow and PK invention if they built vape boxes.
    I just want simple.

    He goes through more ml of juice in a day than I have in 2 weeks. He disappears behind a cloud of steam when exhaling from his device. I may exhale a whisp of stem. Sometimes enough to actually look like exhaling a cigarette drag. My point in saying all of that is to point out folks don't need to think another persons way has to be theirs.

    Like flashlights there are lots to choose from. Styles and purposes abound. Just do some research, find a few folks to support you and enjoy the experience while you cut back until the day the vape becomes preferable over a cigarette.... then you can begin to reduce the nicotine and like Para said, have an adult pasifier some day.
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    Greatness.

    We support you in this endeavor and applaud your level-headed strategies. My mother quit cigarettes in her 60's I believe. She lived to 84. No vape concoctions back then. She used toothpicks to have something in her hand and her mouth. Got some damaged teeth from that but let the toothpicks fall by the wayside after a few years. She was a smokestack from an early age.

    Think of the money you could be saving in the future. I keep thinking of your grandchild and those growing-up years that you will be able to enjoy (or endure when teenagehood comes along)

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    Awesome read as always me fixer. As always you have it all in control, researched and stored in the memory bank. Your not a book, your a library!

    Enjoy the ride, gadgets , building, tweaking , making, itís a mr fixer thing through and through. But and itís a big BUT, itís also another hobby/interest. As a chuffer(or puffer as the kids call it) is always with me, spending $50 or so on a mod is easy justified in my mind. Of course another $30 on a tank all adds, but they get used . Savings are considerable and health gains too. Having an annual health check through work, my lung capacity has increased significantly from when I used to smoke(15 lights a day).
    Of course different , but Vape and flashlights have many similarities, both go hand in hand.

    What I have noticed which is not so good, I Vape more than I would smoke. If you can get into the habit of Vape for a few mins and put down for a bit, excellent. I have not, so always there chuffing away! My nic level is very low to a point of .....well no point in having. But my mind for now knows itís in there, even though it works out around 1.5mg or less.

    I might have mentioned it , but at one point I deliberately went without nicotine for 3 weeks and never could tell. Different for everyone, but started adding a little .......just because really. Hard to explain, might try without again, obv a mental thing rather than actual need.

    With you all the way on this journey

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    A little test this morning:
    Start out with tea instead of coffee. Sat alone in the den drinking bottled tea for the first hour today and no hint of an urge to smoke. None. Nada.

    I made a batch of coffee for Mrs. Fixer. She arrives in the den with a cup for me and within minutes I was having that first cigarette.

    Test fail? Well yes and no.
    Lesson learned. The trick will be to avoid the taste of tea with a cigarette. So yeah, I'm going to enjoy a cup of java and a cancer stick this morning. But the day I put down the cigarette will be a day without morning coffee.
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    There is around 1/2 the caffeine in a cup of tea compared to coffee. Soooo 2 cups of tea is the answer

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    Good point sir.
    I may end up becoming a tea snob. Case in point:
    One day at work I was in an Aztec Mexican restaraunt being served by Chinese people. Best glass of iced tea I'd ever had in my 54 years. It was like they'd just picked the leaves, toasted them and ground them while I read the menu. That tea had flavor like you Brits require. Not that store bought stuff that was bagged back in 19 something or other. Now as a lad I hated 'good' tea. Tastes like yard weeds.... (yes I had tasted grass playing sandlot style tackle football a few times.)

    Mrs. Fixer likes a brand of store bought bottled stuff that mimics that stuff bagged in 19 something or other. Last week the store was out so we bought another brand. A brand that tastes like yard weeds to her but yummy to me.
    Tah Dah!!

    I have a new morning flavor to replace coffee. Hence the test this morning.

    Yeah I let the tobacco stick win a couple of times today. But at 9am (8:20 now) I'm going to take on the urges and battle them like I'm trying to take "Flashlight Hill" from an entrenched enemy, popping off the enemy urges one at a time until 4pm. Armed with a couple of vapes and a glass of something tastey. I'm ready for this.

    Another battle tactic is to not smoke indoors. Todays forecast is hot and muggy. I've already set the pack out on my deck where Mr. Sunshine will be in full broil mode until about 4.
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    Employer increases insurance costs to us, more so if covered members do not choose to participate in a wellness program. A completed tobacco affidavit is required. If you use tobacco (or e-cigarettes) you must complete a 12-week online tobacco cessation workshop.

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    ^^ Wow! And I rarely use exclamation marks.
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    Not only does my employer ask if I smoke but want to know who else in the house smokes.

    I don't get a discount for being smoke free, but I do get 'healthy lifestyle' points for it. Once you reach X points you get a discount. I can easily make the points by having a screening for the basics like bp etc and reading some healthy choices propaganda and passing quizzes at the end. Quizzes that make you answer correctly before proceeding to the next question.

    A few years back my company was bought out by a giant firm who had their own insurance company. These folks have their own 'font', colors, custom OutLook scheme etc.
    Anyway, at the outset we had X number of days to fill out a questionaire, to which you received a lifestyle score. I asked some coworkers how they had fared. Healthy living folks had been penalized for not drinking 3-5 alcoholic beverages a week, for not working out at a gym for 30 minutes a day and other things 'they' deemed worthy of a good score.

    Pffft! I put down that I eat pork at least 8x a week, red meat 12x, drank a gallon of coffee everyday, smoked 4 packs a day and got zero excersize. Well needless to say I got a low score. 100+ was ideal. Mine was 30 something.

    At screening time my bp was perfect along with glucose and colesterol so I got the same discount those 20 something year old twiggy, twirps who take the stairs to the 12th floor got.

    We used to carry a motion meter on our hip. I'd hook mine to an oscilating fan or place it on my shoe and got more points daily than my soccer playing coworkers.

    Bottom line , I'm a 54 year old with an 80 year olds body from years of extreme activities in my youth and if I don't want to take the freaking stairs to get an insurance discount, then so be it.

    One thing for certain, when I'm outside in the heat and some twiggy office dweller comes out to see me, it aint 20 minutes before they're ready to pass out from the heat and they climb back into their climate controled suv car with air conditioned leather seats and head back to the office where they park in the shade.

    Now they do an 'age' score based on mental health, lifestyle choices and health screenings. I score better than many of my stair climbing cohorts who strive to achieve the next step in the corparate ladder and relieve their stress by guzzling the latest flavor of craft beer.

    It's all subjective really. Any fool knows smoking aint healthy. But neither is stress.
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    That makes me so pleased that I'm self employed.
    I may not make any money, but at least I haven't got any twerps telling me what I can and can't do.
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    Bykfixer, I have lost too many good friends to lung cancer(and one was not a smoker). I have watched people I love go from vibrant full of life, never stop, turn into shells that gasp for air at any exertion. I share this because the ones I know who have successfully quit have been encouraged by this one statistic: if you quick before advanced COPD sets in, and stay smoke free for 7 years(may be less now, I havenít seen the latest study), your risk of getting lung cancer is reduced to the same odds as someone who never smoked at all. Very few people succeed the first time they quit-but those who do succeed quit over and over and over, until they do succeed. Very few other things can have as dramatic effect on your health as quitting. My mom had 95% blockages in both her carotid arteries. The surgeon who operates to clear the blockages told my mom that when it came to blocking those same arteries again after surgery it did not matter what her cholesterol was, how bad her diet or lack of exercise was, the only people who had to have the surgery repeated were those that kept smoking. She had three more surgeries before dying from a stroke. The surgeon who gave her that warning? Dead of lung cancer 2 years later(heavy smoker). My dad dropped dead at the age of 32 from a heart attack(heavy smoker). I donít share these things to be negative, I want to tell you how important it is to me personally that you succeed! I am so proud you are sharing your efforts to quit-many parents and grandparents grew up not knowing the dangers of smoking(I have a 1957 ďLifeĒ magazine ad that says ďMore Doctors smoke Camels than any other brandĒ). I believe every single person who decides to try to quit deserves as much support as possible. Keep up the good work, thousands of Flashlights need you in good health, not to mention a number of loved ones as well!

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    Alright, I made the jump. I wanted an easy pod device to start with. Of course, I considered the massively popular Juul but got some coupons in the mail for the Vuse Alto kit. Reviews looked decent so I made my way to the store and walked out with the Alto starter kit with one pod and a 2 pack of pods for less than $23.

    I have very little expirience with this stuff other than a few disposable e-cigs and a couple drags from a Juul. However, the Alto is a much better value than the Juul for sure; pods are cheaper and larger. Starter kit is a bit cheaper as well.

    Most pod systems seem to aimed at beginners, which is fine but all I care about is fewer cigarettes and so far that is working.

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    Bravo!!!!
    Party on Pete.

    How's it smoke? (As in does it serve the purpose for you?)

    I have yet to find any vape device that "smokes" like a cigarette. So I just found one that I like the drag and flavor output and went with that.

    I tried larger stuff but found the inconvenience of carry made it so I wouldn't use them. And they were so dam sensitive to leaking.

    My favorite pod is not 100 percent leak free but, a drop here or a drop there on a contact is so easy to clean and none "drain" over night like the full sized gear.

    Pods are a trade off for vaper production and flavor, but the convenience became worth it to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Bravo!!!!
    Party on Pete.

    How's it smoke? (As in does it serve the purpose for you?)

    I have yet to find any vape device that "smokes" like a cigarette. So I just found one that I like the drag and flavor output and went with that.

    I tried larger stuff but found the inconvenience of carry made it so I wouldn't use them. And they were so dam sensitive to leaking.

    My favorite pod is not 100 percent leak free but, a drop here or a drop there on a contact is so easy to clean and none "drain" over night like the full sized gear.

    Pods are a trade off for vaper production and flavor, but the convenience became worth it to me.
    I have very little expirience with vaping other than trying a few devices from friends but so far I like the Alto. I liked the form factor of smaller devices like Juul and the like - it's small, cigarette-like, easy to carry.

    It pulls really nice and almost immediately I went from smoking a pack a day to a few cigarettes here and there. Mainly the morning and before bed smoke is the hardest to kick but it's progress nonetheless. I think the fact that it hits so smooth helped the transition. Very satisfying, good cloud, very crisp and mimics a cigarette very well for me.

    Also, it charges quickly with a nice positive magnetic click, same with the pod; has a magnet that holds it in. Pod capacity is reasonable, too. I think it's something like 1.8 ml, bigger than Juul. First pod lasted 3 days, with a couple cigarettes each day.

    Overall, it's a good device and definitely a slightly more cost effective alternative to something like a Juul. The only downside is I'm not entirely impressed with the flavors. Naturally being a menthol smoker I opted to try the menthol pods and they are more like that minty toothpaste type of flavor versus a true menthol cigarette. Not horrible just a different type of mint flavor.

    I think I actually prefer the original flavored pod it came with. Tastes almost like a robust tobacco flavor with a sweet kick of maple. There's also a "rich tobacco" pod and some sort of berry flavor as well. So currently only 4 flavors.

    I am impressed with the device and hopefully if they step up the flavor offerings I may stick with it.

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    Cool.

    I started out with pre-filled pods then went refillable after a bit. Then you can choose strengths, flavors etc. But trouble is it's a Pandoras box like with flashlights.

    Stick with what works for now and perhaps after you've stopped smoking completely for a while, then go the route of trial and error.
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    So after a while of dual using I began to smoke more and vape less...to not puffing on a vape at all for weeks at a time.

    When I found my devices had leaked all over the place it was a bummer. Leak proof aint leak proof.

    I tried to pick up the vaping habit again but just did not dig the flavors I was using. I threw away the pod tanks on my pods and started fresh. Yeah that helped but my brain was stead fast in thinking this flavor or that means time to smoke.

    The other day my brother let me try his chapstick tube sized vape number and I was suddenly re-intrigued by vaping again. The flavor was so radically different my brain said "screw smoking, do that thing some more". I went to a local vape shop near my work and bought some new radically different flavors. Suddenly my urge to smoke was wained again. It was about a year ago when I began vaping. A lot has changed since then.

    The biggest change was my favorite brand of locally grown tobacco cigarettes went out of business. But that's not really much different than your favorite heroin dealer going straight. You are still hooked on the stuff. In my case I quickly found another brand of cigarettes. The brand both of my parents used to smoke actually. But this is a great time to switch from smoking to vaping again. My brother has been over a year without a cigarette. He used to be a giant cloud guy but now puffs a vape like a cigarette (like I do).

    This weekend I'll try to go tobacco free and see how it goes.
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    I've been struggling with cravings lately so I figured I'd try something new. I gotta say...this definitely satisfies.

    It's a unique flavor for sure. It is very reminiscent of tobacco but with a nice complexity and different flavors within it. Subtle sweetness but it he just hits right in the back of the throat like a cigarette and is wonderful. Definitely some good stuff, familiar tasting but at the same time a new expirience. I like it.

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    Good to hear.
    The most frequent complaint I see about the Zero is lack of throat hit sensation. Glad you found something satisfying without spending a bunch of money on new electronic gizmos only to find that all you need is the right juice.
    John 3:16

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    My new crack pipe for nicotine vape.

    The one that out Juuls the Juul.


    The Vladdin RE next in between the 1x aaa Sofirm C01 and a Vape Ants E8

    I have never seen a Juul in real life. Well behind the counter in 7-11 stores yeah, but I don't know anyone who has tried it and liked the Juul so I've never actually seen one up close. I read a lot of comments about this Vladdin, most of which were how perfectly close to a real cigarette they are. Others mentioned enough negatives to stop me from buying one online, where you cannot touch it, see, smell, taste etc. Vladdin gave me the one shown.

    My brother gave me an E8 shown in the photo. It's pretty good at duplicating drag from a cigarÖÖ A bit tight for my preference. Like taking a drag through a filter that got wet. But not bad. Not bad at all. My plume producing brother has set aside his big gear during the work day and uses an E8. I was all in on the Zero until the Vladdin arrived.

    Since it arrived my job has me indoors a lot. Surrounded by cubicles occupied by snowflakes I could step away and go outside to smoke or I can silently take a puff from the vape stick when the stupidity gets too much and I want to staple a memo on some twirps forehead. After a week of that my smoking was way down. Not only that but I was more productive at work.
    Last edited by bykfixer; 07-25-2019 at 04:17 PM.
    John 3:16

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    A few weeks with the Vladdin and the indoor assignment. I believe it's the one for me. Finally, after trying all kinds of gadgets and e-juice it looks like a flavor, a nic strength and a device have all combined for what could in time replace the cigarette for me. Instead of going outside for a smoke I'd sneak a few puffs from the vaper indoors during week 1.

    Working outdoors means the body gets used to absorbing lots and lots of sun rays. A sudden change where the day is spent under artificial light means an adjustment in moods and attitudes. Not in a good way. After a week I felt a slump in motivation. A weekend outside was like watering a thirsty plant. Never mind it was in the 90's by 9am, I needed sunlight like Birdman.

    It was decided that the next week would involve outdoor smoke breaks. But I liked the hardly smoking thing too. My truck stays parked about 1/4 mile from the cubicle. Leave cigarettes in the truck, stealth vape in the cubicle until 10am then take a brisk walk to the truck n back and vape or smoke depending on the mood. At noon repeat. At 2pm repeat. After the first week I began to choose the vape over the cigarette.

    Each Sunday is buy cigarettes for the week day. Monday morning I asked Mrs. Fixer who was blocking my access to my carton to hand me a pack. She asked how I had smoked half a carton in one day. It was a pleasure to say that was last weeks supply. A year ago it was an effort to cut back. Many devices later the urge to smoke was never truely squashed. This little Juul look-alike thing is allowing urges to be tamped down while using about 10% of the nicotine a Juul has. It's sipper too. A 1.5ml tank full is a weeks supply too. The Zero was pretty close at that whole notion of replacing the cigarette. It's definitely my favorite backup tool.

    Other folks use other tools and none are wrong. It just comes down to preference.
    John 3:16

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    Down to smoking when I want to now that I'm using a combination of 3 vape devices.
    Top left is a fidget spinner pod by the company famous for a big mod called DRAG. Voopoo made one called ROTA that did not sell well. Yet it was a great little vaper pod that puts out flavor from a gigantic cotton wick like big modular devices. Mine has a grape candy flavor juice for using at various times of the day. I bought 3 on clearance and a bunch of replacement cartridges after using a promo version for a while earlier this year.

    Mid way is the Vladdin thing I've been using for about a month now. I stealth vape it all day long indoors or out instead of smoking. I bought extras recently and a bunch of replacement cartridges. It has all but replaced most cigarettes smoked during the day. It has a nice sour apple flavor in a tank that needs a refill every few days.

    In the center the VapeAnts E8 stays fastened to my shirt via a flashlight clip around the aa sized body. A nice combo of rasberry, strawberry and blueberry juice provides a tastey stealth puff when the Vladdin gets dull.

    A company called Vaporesso asked me to test out their updated mini-mod called Target Mini II. It's a super nifty little device about the size of a pair of BiC lighters side by side. But it stays at home and gets used when I just want something different. I actually DTL that one a few drags a week with a nice Sprite flavored juice.

    I still smoke some, but a lot less than just a couple of months ago. It causes me to feel better overall and my stamina is a lot better than it's been in years.
    John 3:16

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    Approaching 2 years cigarette free!

    Lots of different devices over the last few years, but using a Uwell Caliburn primarily just because it's so simple and convenient.

    It does suck with the new regulations because it seems like a lot of the juice vendors out there can't afford to comply and are slowly disappearing. I'm a creature of habit, so I hate rolling the dice on new flavors because I'm so picky.

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    Iíve settled into twin 18650 box mods. Right now Iím using an Innokin Zenith tank on a Geek Vape Aegis box which is not a super ďcloudĒ producer which is why I like it. Itís specifically for ď mouth-to-lungĒ vaping...like smoking. I order unflavored juice because here in NY the geniuses in Albany banned flavored stuff. I have to buy the juice and the flavoring separately if I want flavor. Mostly I just go unflavored since itís really for the nicotine fix anyways. Havenít smoked cigarettes for a long time...
    I only fear that if something happens to me, my wife will sell all my stuff for what I told her I paid for it.

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    How do you deal with a seeping Zenith Johnny? I have a 22 mm tank and a pair 25(?) tanks on Innokin Kromas with the tapered tip on them. One of the big tanks seeps. Not bad but after a day it slurps a lot where the others don't.

    My brother used an Aegis too. He stopped smoking through vaping then stopped vaping later. I have the single battery Aegis style box but since I rarely used it put it back in the box it came in. It has a Zenith too.

    I like flavors but they tend to get muted after a while from that vape tongue thing as right now I vape a lot. Like 3 times for every drag I would take from a cigarette. So I use the tobacco the most since it may as well be flavorless. Then as a treat do a flavored vape or two.

    It's easy to vape instead of smoking for me indoors since every where you go has banned smoking. Outdoors is another matter. Yesterday I vaped too much. I forgot that vaping after 8 pm causes me to lose sleep. At 9 pm I was puffing away and at 3am was wide awake. When I first started vaping I'd go two or three nights in a row with an hour sleep and not even feel tired. But then I discovered vaping after 7pm was the problem due to the chain vaping thing. But after a day and a half I feel better already.
    John 3:16

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    How do you deal with a seeping Zenith Johnny? I have a 22 mm tank and a pair 25(?) tanks on Innokin Kromas with the tapered tip on them. One of the big tanks seeps. Not bad but after a day it slurps a lot where the others don't.
    Haven had any problems with seeping with that Zenith...itís been very good so far...had probably 9 months or so...
    Itís probably near time to start shopping around though...but I have too many Zenith coils on hand to switch now.
    I only fear that if something happens to me, my wife will sell all my stuff for what I told her I paid for it.

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    Zenith was a very popular tank for good reason. Stepping away from vaping for a while I do not know if it has been replaced, upgraded or anything of the sort.

    I used my Kroma kit (w/25 mm Zenith) a few days this week and got in the habit of drawing a little bit after letting off the fire button and I have had no seeping. I suppose it was unused steam building up in the chimney and seemingly acting like juice was getting past the coil pack.

    But mostly use a Vladin RE with a mild tobacco flavored juice right now. It's so smooth that when the urge to smoke is too much the actual cigarette is harsh. So my mind is actually starting to prefer the smoother e-juice. It's a start. And this week I have half a carton left when normally I'd be on my last pack tonight. I restock on Sunday. I remember in 019 I was down to a carton a month at one point. That is the goal by thanksgiving with not smoking at all by Christmas.
    John 3:16

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    ConGrats!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Zenith was a very popular tank for good reason. Stepping away from vaping for a while I do not know if it has been replaced, upgraded or anything of the sort.

    I used my Kroma kit (w/25 mm Zenith) a few days this week and got in the habit of drawing a little bit after letting off the fire button and I have had no seeping. I suppose it was unused steam building up in the chimney and seemingly acting like juice was getting past the coil pack.

    But mostly use a Vladin RE with a mild tobacco flavored juice right now. It's so smooth that when the urge to smoke is too much the actual cigarette is harsh. So my mind is actually starting to prefer the smoother e-juice. It's a start. And this week I have half a carton left when normally I'd be on my last pack tonight. I restock on Sunday. I remember in 019 I was down to a carton a month at one point. That is the goal by thanksgiving with not smoking at all by Christmas.

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