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    So this looks interesting. Havenít seen anything posted yet about this new 10K lm beast. Actually a fairly tiny beast from the looks of it. Any commentary started here yet?

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    Yeah that TM10K looks nice. Flat rectangular shape. Fairly small. Looks small enough to easily fit in a pocket actually, though probably still too big for pocket EDC.

    And incredible output! 10,000 lumens max from 6x XHP35... from a SINGLE cell light. The cell it comes with is very nice too (Samsung 48g... one of the best 21700 cells). The only other lights that hit that level of output tend to be much larger multi-18650 coke-can lights.

    The downsides?
    Costs $400! YIKES!!!!
    Samsung 48G is built-in and not replaceable (at least not without desoldering the battery).
    10,000 lumen turbo only lasts 7 seconds!!! I wonder if you can override the rampdown by holding the button down like you can with the Concept 1?

    Even with the 7-seconds of turbo I'd still have been interested in buying this light, but $400 for a single light is way outa my price range.

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    Well I WAS super interested until you mentioned the price, sheesh. Plus Nitecore cool whites arenít the most pleasing on the eyes. I could probably be swayed if it were to come in a neutral tint around 5000K since I paid almost that for my Olight XR7 with batteries for 9000 lm (in neutral!) but itís considerably larger which is why the TM10K looks so attractive.

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    Wow very interesting but, the throw is horrible. 90 meters at 1000 lumen setting. Yuck.
    If i had one day left to live i would want to be at my workplace.Because every day is like a frickin eternity.

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    Non-removable battery. $400. Max mode is an overload on said battery. This is a disposable light, and likely to be a pretty short-lived one at that. Just no.

    But it only took a year for somebody to beat the Emisar D4's time to thermal throttle. Good work, Nitecore.
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    The non removable battery is a deal breaker for me because it severely limits the lifespan of the light. The issues with current seem silly to me at 7 seconds that turbo is pretty much only good for blinding someone or something, showing off, or a last ditch effort at getting attention. (Kinda like an SOS)

    Hate to say it but the tint snob in me would only buy this light in V54 form.

    Realistically this is a light that has an adjustable high between 400-2000 lumens that can actually run continuously at least for a little bit at those higher settings, with a 10,000 lumens for 7 seconds trick for doing whatever it is youíre doing for those 7 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireclaw18 View Post
    The cell it comes with is very nice too (Samsung 48g... one of the best 21700 cells).
    I disagree. It's only a 10A continuous battery while the light needs 35A to acheive the 10K. Even Mooch rates it at 10A. A Samsung 40T or Sony VTC6A 21700 (both 4000mAh and ~30A cont.) would have been a better choice at the cost of runtime. But then again, Turbo will only turn on for 7 seconds which is why you don't necessarily need a higher drain battery. Personally I would have liked to see 2x18650 (or 21700) format instead for the better performance.

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    There was a post here from 'Sysmax Ind.' today introducing TM10K and I replied to it and now the whole thing is gone? Don't know what happened - maybe because I was somewhat critical?

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    No ... OP had posted an advertising thread in the (non-commercial) discussion forums
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    LOL, I thought it was odd that I was able to get the jump on such a potentially controversial light on the day Nitecore made their announcement. I havenít been following lights lately having been content with my Zebralights over the last year but then I lost my favorite of my 5 so I figured it was time to see what had changed in the past year. OMG, Zebralight Mk IV series, Emisar D4 and D4S and now the TM10K. So much has changed!

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    Yeah, Nitecore posted a nice thread about it with all the pics. I was dying to reply but like archimedes said, in the wrong location. I didn't want to steal their thunder by posting yesterday, but they're still MIA, so let it roll! Reddit and BLF already had a lot of (entertaining) comments yesterday as well. Most seem to be on the same page with this one.

    Looks like a horrible light IMO. Most of the points were already made, so I'll just add that the "10,000 LUMENS!!" on the side of the light has to be a joke! Insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markr6 View Post
    Most of the points were already made, so I'll just add that the "10,000 LUMENS!!" on the side of the light has to be a joke! Insane.
    Yup that's what I had commented also, asking them please delete that since it's totally ridiculous. Embarassaing, actually! Also I suggested next variation, a TM11K with 2 cells (side by side) which doesn't even change pocketability but with half the current, might allow replaceable cells. More mass or cooling too, for longer 10k runtime since 7sec is almost useless. Lastly the customizable High feature is excellent and should be available for all levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beckler View Post
    Yup that's what I had commented also, asking them please delete that since it's totally ridiculous. Embarassaing, actually!

    Or at least go all out while you're at it...



    Not to defend it, but we're obviously beyond the point of trying to justify the "burst" mode here. 7 seconds is clearly not practical on any planet. Anyone that thinks otherwise is just lying to themselves. It's the clearest form of marketing lumen wars of all time. And we thought the 5-10 minutes with stepdown on other lights was cheating!
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    !

    On the 10K turbo you're right about marketing but the way to look at it is it's just a 2000-lumen light with a bonus mode for fun and could still be useful. So it's a "might as well" feature, better than not having it.

    In fact one use I just realized is as a camera flash. It's actually just right, gives you time to compose a shot then take the picture.

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    But if they didn't have the 10,000 mode, maybe they could have been able to use a replaceable 21700 cell. But I could be wrong about that.

    $400, even $200, is too much for me to invest in a light with a "sealed" battery.
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    Do we have a link to confirm $400? USD400?! That's flippin' crazy and to hell with this light then...

    Then again, the delusional crowds over at the surefire threads are thinking, "That's all? Wow..."
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    I think the $400 came from some guessing around the web. I don't know of anything confirmed yet. I like my $200 guess...but not betting anything on that.

    p.s. Actually, if the Concept 2 is $199, maybe $299+ would be more in line for this. Either way, it's out of my budget!
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    Quote Originally Posted by markr6 View Post
    p.s. Actually, if the Concept 2 is $199, maybe $299+ would be more in line for this. Either way, it's out of my budget!
    Yup, $299.95. Way too much. Even $200 definitely isn't worth it for such a short burst mode. This guy definitely needs a redesign.

    https://www.nitecorestore.com/TM10K-...nite-tm10k.htm

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    Drop the 10K mode, swap CW for NW or even Nichia, and of course no Hello Kitty on the side

    Still an interesting light and I look forward to some reviews!
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    Greetings All !

    Iíve been a Nitecore fan for years and owned several models, with the MH23 and SR7GT my favorites.

    Initially excited by a new release, out of the box (away from the tube light) thinking appeared to be really appealing, until reading the details, the waters got quite muddy.

    Foremost, the unusual rectangular form factor and ďnon-removableĒ cell design made me think it had a proprietary high-current rectangular LiPoly or some such. In fact using the excellent Samsung 48G 4800mAH 21700 cylinder cell is a fantastic choice for high current (35A continuous) and long runtime, but I thought there would be 2 cells, not just one...

    Nitecore claims 100mOhm was the best contact spring resistance they could achieve with a design allowing replaceable cells, so they opted to build in the excellent 48G Samsung with welded contacts to lower the resistance by a factor of 5 to 20 mOhm, maximizing current delivery.

    A nice evolutionary step forward, It also features a USB-C charging port at 18W and rapid charge circuit with a charge time of 30 minutes, eliminating the 2.1A bottleneck of conventional micro USB charge ports.

    The design is meant to optimize current capacity match to the driver array, providing a stable 100W of power. Alas, the SEVEN SECOND fixed timer for (10,000 LUMENS !!!) is a crushing disappointment. In fact, the default high level is just 1000 lumens with a max 2 hour runtime AT THAT OUTPUT. Only a bit more than most single 18650 XPL designs.

    The high level can be programmed between 400 and 2000 lumens in 100 lumen increments. It has a nifty OLED status display. Not confirmed, but it has a (nosebleed) $400 MSRP price tag, NOT for the faint of heart. Last, color options, Henry Ford Black HA-III, thatís IT (sigh)

    Most alarmingly, really disappointing lackluster candela measurements. Only 2,050cd (!!!) at the default High output setting of 1,000 lumens (for 2 hrs). 25,000cd for the Seven Seconds of 10k lumen TURBO!!

    Overall, a radical departure from the tube light norm, likely a midrange ďwall of lightĒ Uber flood design, with a very high price tag given its limitations. Regrettably I think itís Nitecoreís response to the misleading Lumen Wars marketing trend, despite several innovations.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelot808 View Post
    In fact using the excellent Samsung 48G 4800mAH 21700 cylinder cell is a fantastic choice for high current (35A continuous) and long runtime, but I thought there would be 2 cells, not just one...
    It's only a 10A continuous battery. Sure maybe it's fine at 35A for just those 7 seconds but it struggles at 20A continuous according to Mooch's testing. (https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/at...ts-jpg.683061/)


    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelot808 View Post
    A nice evolutionary step forward, It also features a USB-C charging port at 18W and rapid charge circuit with a charge time of 30 minutes, eliminating the 2.1A bottleneck of conventional micro USB charge ports.
    It's 30 minutes to "recharge most of its power'. So maybe 1 to 1.5 hours tops for full recharge? Still pretty quick if that is the case.

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    First: I'm a Nitecore guy. I EDC three lights and they're all Nitecore.

    10k lumens in a portable LED light is nothing short of amazing. This hobby has come a long way. The TM10K has a form factor that actually looks practical for someone to carry on their person, unlike most multi-emitter and multi-head lights.

    Unfortunately, something had to give, and that something was pretty much everything. A non-replaceable battery that can't handle the load means a disposable flashlight, and no cooling fins to dump the massive amount of heat means that the advertised output is limited to seven seconds at a time. A few minutes is already pushing it - I'm sure we all remember the output graphs of a classic, unregulated incandescent flashlight, that starts out strong and quickly fades. Seven seconds abandons all pretense of practicality and goes for numbers. They might as well have supplemented the battery with some capacitors and gone for a flash of a fraction of a second. Then they could put an even bigger number on the side of the light, with even more exclamation marks...

    And that's what makes this light so disappointing. Its entire purpose is to say "look, it's really small and it can do 10k lumens for an amount of time that isn't zero. EXCLAMATION MARK EXCLAMATION MARK." A practical tool doesn't have its specs plastered on the side in bigger print than the product's name, and it isn't covered in exclamation marks. Why pretend that this is intended to be a useful light?

    The UI is typical for a flashaholic piece: tap the power button to toggle power, tap the mode button while the light is on to cycle through ascending brightness levels, off to low by holding the power button, off to high by holding the mode button, switch to high output then hold power and mode buttons to unlock the setting mode and then increase/decrease with power/mode buttons, use turbo mode by holding the dedicated turbo button. In short, a mess. Instead of a customizable "high" output level, why not just add an extra level? This kind of UI is why I stick to the SRT series, which has none of this "where did I put the flowchart" nonsense.

    Don't get me wrong: 10k lumens in a light of this size is really cool, but I was hoping for the second practical light in the Tiny Monster series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerhawkT3 View Post
    In short, a mess. Instead of a customizable "high" output level, why not just add an extra level? This kind of UI is why I stick to the SRT series, which has none of this "where did I put the flowchart" nonsense.
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    Hmm, I could go for this light IF it had replaceable batteries and a brighter "high" level output. My ideal however, would be four programmable levels between turbo and ultra low. Ultra high at 4k-6k lumens, high at 1k-2k lumens, mid at 300-500 lumens, and low at 50-100 lumens. Yup, if the light had this flexibility, I would be on board, and think it well worth $300.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flashfan View Post
    My ideal however, would be four programmable levels between turbo and ultra low. Ultra high at 4k-6k lumens, high at 1k-2k lumens, mid at 300-500 lumens, and low at 50-100 lumens.
    That would be nice. If all these people can make amazing, programmable UIs sitting in their basement or workbench in their garage, I would expect the same...or better, from a major manufacturer.
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    Choices can be good, but there's something to be said for a UI that's actually designed, so you can hand your light to someone and not have to spend more than three seconds explaining/showing how it works. Nitecore knows how to do it right; I don't know why they choose not to.

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    My thinking is that the light would not be programmed on the fly each time you use the light. Rather, when you first get the light, you take the time to program each level to your anticipated/desired use, then basically leave it there. The light would have two "main" buttons--one to turn the light on/off, and a second button to scroll through the different levels of pre-programmed light output. If you have to choose light outputs each time you turn on the light, no that wouldn't work (unless you have a dial-type button that works like a dimmer switch, allowing an "infinite" number of settings--then the light should have one on/off button, plus the dial to select "any" output level--yay, that really would work for me).
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    I have the TM26, and I wouldnt want really anything more powerful then 4000lms,, the main reason is because the low setting are increase in power and are too strong for everyday use.

    Whats really annoying with my tm26, it takes a brain surgeon to work it and I have a few ppl in my family that uses it, 9 out of 10 times unless I keep reminding them, they do a full click instead of just touching the button (last used mode) putting it onto turbo mode. I wish it was a 2 button design so 1 button did the modes and the other was the on/off switch... Im even thinking of selling it because of this, even though its a fantastic light in every other way.

    I could put a label on it I guess "touch butt for on" or something like that

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