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    Default Zebralight SC700d 21700 XHP70.2 90+CRI

    ZL has just updated their spreadsheet indicating they are introducing their first 21700 SC series flashlight.



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    Awesome

    But I don't like XHP 70.2 it's very bad for Hi CRI

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    Clicky??? Mechanical Tail switch??!

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    I guess it makes sense to also introduce the XHP70.2 into the new format, too. It will be a larger light compared to their other models, and a larger reflector is better with the 70.2.

    However, I doubt I will be buying this one. I like Zebralight's small lights, and the SC600 series is already pushing the upper limit of pocketability.

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    93-95 CRI. 5000k. YES!!
    GOOD TINT!

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    Praise be to the Lord! Finally a 21700 offering from ZL! I almost thought they'd never do it.

    21700 is really the perfect size for a single-cell light. The battery itself is thinner than SC600's bezel, yet it enables a ~50% increase in capacity (which is sick considering the size) and well enough power to melt your face off if need be. The new light does, however, have a larger bezel, but I believe this is to accommodate the new monstrous XHP70.2 LED rather than serve the needs of housing the battery.

    With that said, I'm going to assume they will discontinue the SC600 series in foreseeable future because SC6x still exists and fulfills the need for a compact affordable Li-ion EDC, and when you need significantly more power than it can provide, choosing SC600 over SC700 doesn't seem particularly enticing.

    Anyway, this is a must-buy. As somebody who has used the original SC600 and SC600 mk. II L2 extensively (this series has been my go-to light since 2012), I say this is quite the opportune time for an upgrade.

    Now if only I could get my hands on a couple of those Tesla 2170 cans, ha... ZL will probably offer repackaged Samsung cells to go with it. At least that seems most likely, because Samsung's are the best option currently available on the open market.

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    My poor wallet, I think it is about to suffer through some significant weight loss...

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    Updated 5 minutes ago. Looks like they are really trying to push the pocket rocket limit.

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    Both improvements entirely justified and long-yearned-for. I guess the company is aiming to catch up to and overtake the market for high-performance custom offerings.

    I'm expecting at least some 3500 lm on H1.

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    Will it be MADE IN USA this time??

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    I have been away for a bit, what is the problem with HiCRI 70.2 emitters?
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    Default Re: Zebralight SC700d 21700 XHP70.2 90+CRI

    Just got a 16650 light for EDC. Not sure if I want to EDC a 21700 light.

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    Default Re: Zebralight SC700d 21700 XHP70.2 90+CRI

    ZEBRALIGHT, a 4000k “c” model please After being spoiled by my emisar D1 (xpl 4000) -anything cooler just doesn’t cut the mustard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moozooh View Post
    With that said, I'm going to assume they will discontinue the SC600 series in foreseeable future because SC6x still exists and fulfills the need for a compact affordable Li-ion EDC, and when you need significantly more power than it can provide, choosing SC600 over SC700 doesn't seem particularly enticing.
    It is if you want to pocket-carry. Look at the size difference.

    The SC600 is 1.2" wide and 3.8" long.
    The SC700 will be 1.5" wide and 4.2" long.

    That's a 10% increase in length, and a 25% increase is diameter! I don't think that's a pocketable light anymore, except in a jacket with large pockets.

    Yes, the SC64 is the more pocketable series of their 18650 lights, but it's not really appropriate for a XHP35 HI emitter or the XHP50.2 that is in the SC600. And, not everyone will be moving from 18650 to the 21700 cells.

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    I'd be more intrigued by this showing up on the spreadsheet were it not for the fact that both the C3 and the Eco series have been on the spreadsheet for a year or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thujone View Post
    I have been away for a bit, what is the problem with HiCRI 70.2 emitters?
    Output and efficacy on the 70.2 are great, but it has major tint shift in the beam (aka, the "Cree rainbow"), at least with some reflectors. It's discussed in this review, for example:
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    Measurements on that light showed a variation from roughly 5700K to 4300K in different parts of the beam.
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    Good move ZL... new format! Use my 1st gen SC600 all around the house and SC52 and SC62 for EDC. The larger 21700 will be great for both home and traveling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nichia! View Post
    Will it be MADE IN USA this time??
    BIG +1 i talked to an employee a couple of years ago and he mentioned they were going to be making more parts in texas, would be amazing if they could be a made in usa company
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    xhpXX.2 emitters have very awful tint shift throughout the beam when domed. Too bad Zebralight won't dedome them. Would rather get a quad optics with Nichias or Samsung LH351Ds being driven from a 21700.

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    Zebralight I highly suggest you give us a nice Quad with nichia 219b or C the instead of the XHP 70.2

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    almost pulled the trigger yesterday on a Rofis 21700 light.... But a ZL?
    Can't wait!

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    Default Re: Zebralight SC700d 21700 XHP70.2 90+CRI

    Since ZL is known not to go overboard with lumens/heat .. what's the best 21700 to use in this light? Assuming 20A or less current.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WalkIntoTheLight View Post
    That's a 10% increase in length, and a 25% increase is diameter! I don't think that's a pocketable light anymore, except in a jacket with large pockets.
    Which, incidentally, is the only pocket I ever put my EDC SC600 in. It's too bulky for almost any of my pants, anyway, and I don't use it often enough to keep there. I carry it in a jacket, backpack, or a Jack Wolfskin purse with my 8" tablet. The extra 8 mm of girth won't affect any of those significantly, as far as I can tell (although it'll be a snug fit at the bottom of the purse).

    That said, this is a pretty large reflector ZL is planning for this light—the largest they've ever made for a single LED.

    Quote Originally Posted by WalkIntoTheLight View Post
    And, not everyone will be moving from 18650 to the 21700 cells.
    "Moving" makes it sound more dramatic than it is. For instance, I'm going to buy a couple for this light alone (to be fair, one would be enough, but charging is going to take a while) and keep the rest of my 18650s for devices that use them. I don't really keep a bucket of spares and don't advise it to anyone considering Li-ion cells become better and cheaper every couple years.

    Quote Originally Posted by iamlucky13 View Post
    I'd be more intrigued by this showing up on the spreadsheet were it not for the fact that both the C3 and the Eco series have been on the spreadsheet for a year or so.
    But neither of those ever had a release date or body dimensions on the spreadsheet, and this one does.
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    I've been wanting ZL to make a larger cell light, but now that they might, I kinda wish they kept it 18650 since the SC600w Plus I just got was nasty tint. Either way, I'm still excited for this one!
    GOOD TINT!

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    I wouldn't be excited. XHP70.2 makes for rainbow beams when paired with any kind of reflector that doesn't have a frosted lens over it. Maybe they will put a frosted lens over this one, but the combination of an xhp70 sized LED in such a small light plus frosted lens will make for something that might as well be a mule.

    21700 also will probably make it not jeans pocketable in my eyes. I adore and use my SC600 MK3 HI so much because it's very powerful and flexible while still easily fitting in my pocket for every day cary. A 21700 host will ruin that niche and turn it into a jacket carry/purpose light, and at that point I have something like a ROT66 at hand.

    All of this is just me projecting my hypothesis though, won't know for sure until it comes out.

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    Default Re: Zebralight SC700d 21700 XHP70.2 90+CRI

    Can a 21700 battery be charger in a 18650 charger ?

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    Default Re: Zebralight SC700d 21700 XHP70.2 90+CRI

    Quote Originally Posted by marinemaster View Post
    Can a 21700 battery be charger in a 18650 charger ?
    If that charger supports 21700 batteries, then yes.
    Depends on the charger you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinemaster View Post
    Can a 21700 battery be charger in a 18650 charger ?
    It depends on the charger. Most multi-slot chargers I've seen don't have a enough room to fit a 70mm long cell. Or at the very least, it will be a very tight fit. So, you'll probably have to buy a new charger too.

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    21700 no problem in the Opus 3100 I'll be using. All/most Xtar too.

    https://www.imrbatteries.com/blog/ch...0-21700-cells/
    GOOD TINT!

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    Why not stick with XHP50.2 and have an SC600 IV Plus with a beam that is a better balance of throw/flood (with significantly better runtime and heat management as well)?

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    Zebralight is wrong to marry itself entirely to CREE chips imo.
    There are many emitters that make more sense for this form factor. And that was the case with SC600W IV, as well.

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