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    Multimeter probes



    A multimeter includes a pair of probes, they can be good or bad, but they are usual not the only option. Here I will look at different types of probes and what they can be used for.


    Plugs

    But first I will look at the other end of the wire, the plug.



    This type of plug is used on the cheap probes/meters and is not compatible with standard plugs. This means that a multimeter supplied with these probes may not fit standard probes, but will fit standard banana plugs.



    This is the standard probe, that is used by every better multimeter and that means the multimeter will fit all the different probe types on the market with standard plug.



    The shroud is usual about 21-22mm long. There are probes with shorter shroud, they are very common on the cheaper multimeters and will often have 17-18mm shroud. The full size shroud will usual work, but the plug cannot be fully seated.



    There is also straight plugs, they are usual used on bench multimeters and for plugging into probes (See later).



    In this plug the tip is isolated.



    Most plugs is without tip isolation, on this one the tip is very retracted.



    Most multimeter will also works with unshrouded banana plugs, they are great on the bench when working with low voltage, but are not really suitable for mains voltage.



    Banana plugs can often be stacked.



    Another type of banana plug, it cannot be stacked.



    But can be connected together. This is often a bit problematic, due to the risk of shorts.



    It is also possible to get them in shrouded versions



    That can be stacked.




    When having a mix of shrouded and unshrouded plugs and sockets these small adapters can be very useful. A shrouded plug goes into the adapter and can be used in unshrouded sockets.



    Cables

    Lets not forget the wire.



    It is just about universal that the probe cables are red and black. For equipment that need more than two connections you may get other color probes in addition to the red and black ones.



    The cables can have different thickness and some cables includes the marking and approval of the actual cable used.
    The isolation can be made in different qualities, from a fairly stiff plastic, a soft plastic to silicone.



    Inside the cable can be made different ways. The yellow one is for high current and the isolation is fairly thin. It is only rated for 60 volt, but 30A, this is not used for probes, but can be bought as test leads. The strands are very thin to make the cable flexible. The red one is a typical good quality probe with two layers of isolation (If the white isolation is visible, it is time to replace the lead), again with very thin strands. The white is a normal wire with thick strands and not nearly as flexible as the other two.
    The actual amount of copper defines how much resistance is in the probes, this is mostly relevant if they are used to measure current, a good probe for current measurements will not have more than 30mOhm.



    Standard probes



    When using probes, always keep your fingers behind the finger guard.



    A standard probe, here from a Amprobe multimeter.



    It has removable tip cover, this is a safety feature for high energy usage, but can also be useful at lower voltage. If a probe slips the covered tip is less likely to make a short.
    I have written a bit about the CAT ratings in my How do I review a DMM article.



    The probe is 13cm long and the finger guard is 3.5cm from the tip.



    Another standard probe, this time from Keysight.



    The tip is made differently, but the safety ratings are the same.



    This probe is 15cm long and the finger guard is 4.3cm from the tip.



    A cheap probe, there is no CAT rating, but it says 1000V on it.
    I would expect it to handle 1000V, but I would only use it on high voltage sources that is limited to a few mA.



    The probe is 10.5cm long and the finger guard is 3cm from the tip and only 1.5cm from metal.



    This probe has a trick with the tip cover.



    You just need to turn the front of the probe and it can be retracted or extended, this means there is no risk of loosing the tip cover.




    This is a fairly cheap probe with a very long tip. Without tip cover it can only be CATII



    A closer look at the tip.



    It includes a lid to protect the tip when not used.



    Probe with extra features on the tip



    Many probes has a indent on the tip.



    It makes it easier to hold a wire or leaded component against the probe, it will not slide around.



    The same goes for measuring on some parts, but I prefer the solution from the second photo when it is possible.



    This is a Rigol probe, but what is that on the tip?



    It looks like threads.



    And is used to screw an alligator clip on. On probes without threads there are alligator clips that can be pushed on.



    This can be very useful for handsfree operation.



    This is another Fluke probe and it hides something under the tip cover.



    This is a standard banana plug.



    This makes it easy to connect the meter to equipment with 4mm terminals.



    Probes with loose cable



    This probe may look a bit strange.



    And it is fairly long at 16.5cm and with 4 cm to the finger guard.



    There is a reason for this, the cable and the a probes are two separate parts.
    The loose cable is very useful when we look at more general accessories in a few chapters.



    The set includes two probes, instead of removeable tip covers.

    For another take on loose cables, see my review of Aneng AN8009, it includes a DIY probe



    What to look for in probes

    This depends on what you want to use the probes for.

    When working with low voltage you will often want very good connection to probes, this means sharp point on the tip and a tip that generally give good connection (Gold coating can help with that).

    With higher voltage there is seldom problems with the connection, but isolation close to the probe tip (i.e. CAT-III/CAT-IV) can be a requirement.

    For current you want a probe with very low resistance, i.e. thick short cable, DIY is usual a good option here.

    A high resistance in the probe wires also means it is made with fairly thin wire.

    The cable has a slightly bendable strain relief where it comes out of the probe. Because the probe is moved around the cable will always moving/bending there, anything to prevent sharp bends will improve cable life.



    Accessories for probe tips



    As long as you probe has a simple and long tip, it can use some accessories.



    There is, of course, the alligator clip to push on.



    A long thin probe tip.




    Grippers




    Another type of grippers




    In US it is possible to use a current clamp adapter in mains outlets, it often has holes for measuring voltage.





    Accessories for 4mm plugs



    These accessories can be used with probes that include a banana plug or a loose cable with banana plugs, with normal banana plugs and some of them with shrouded banana plugs.



    My most used accessory is probably alligator clips, they exist in many sizes and for shrouded or unshrouded plugs.




    The cheapest alligator clips that fits banana plugs.




    This type of grippers is probably my next most used accessory, they have a fairly secure grip on most wires.




    This gripper looks like the above, but the claw is different and do not work very well.




    Here the claw is a hook and locks the cable, it works much better.



    Backpinning probes, these needles are made to push into some type of connectors from the back, making it possible to measure while the connector is connected.



    Here I use one of the probes on a small connector.




    Connecting to a screw can be done with these adapters, they exists in multiple sizes.



    Here are some loose probes, it is possible to get different sizes with more or less sharp tips. On the black one there is a spring behind the tip.



    This accessory is not for multimeters, but makes it possible to use the test leads with other equipment, like an oscilloscope.



    Piercing probes (This is also a accessory)

    The idea is that a tin needle can cut through the isolation and contact the conductor inside. When the probe is removed the hole will basically close itself. This makes it possible to measure on wires without stripping or cutting it and without locating the ends of the wire.
    This is mostly for automotive use and must not be used on mains cables (The "closed" hole may be safe for 12V or 24V, but it is there and is not safe to touch at mains voltages).





    This probe is fairly heavy duty, you have to screw the needle in and out.





    For smaller wires / thinner isolation this one is much faster, it has a small needed hidden in the plastic.



    SMD tweezer probes



    Measuring across SMD parts is rather difficult with normal probes, this type of tweezer probe makes it easier.
    Note: This is a cheap model and the tips bends fairly easy.



    It is just a big tweezer with a connection to each tip.



    And can be help across a SMD part.



    Homemade or DIY test leads



    There is no reason to only buy probes, it is fairly easy to make some yourself.
    I prefer good quality leads and use the best banana plugs I can find or cut some premade wires, mostly I also use soft silicone wire. Shrink wrap is very usefull when cutting an existing cable to replace one end with banana plugs.



    Test Leads with mini alligator clips. The wire is soft silicone. In some cases these works better than loose alligator clip.





    Mini grippers with thin (22AWG) soft silicon wires, they can clamp on leaded IC's or small connector pins and stay there while I push buttons or do some other stuff. Cheap mini grippers are usual not in very good quality and have to be fixed at regular intervals.



    Usb power.



    Mini DC connector, this is not as much for a multimeter, but for use with a power supply and maybe a multimeter to check power consumption.



    From US socket to test equipment, being it a multimeter or something else. This is not the safest wire around, at least all my 120VAC is isolated from ground.
    For US I will definitely recommend using shrouded plugs with this cable.



    For testing mains I use shrouded plugs. This wire can both be used for current and voltage, but a single mistake will blow a fuse! This cable is made for a specific multimeter where the color coding match.



    Conclusion

    You do not have to live with the supplied probes, if you have bought a full size multimeter, there are options to make connections easier. The DIY options is also very interesting for probes, it is fairly easy (If you know how to use a solder iron) and you can make some measurements and tests much easier.



    Notes

    I test some test cables here:
    DANIU 1M 4mm Banana to Banana Plug Soft Silicone Test Cable
    DANIU 1M 4mm Banana to Banana Plug Shrouded P1050
    DANIU 1M 4mm Banana Plug to Alligator Clip

    Other stuff about multimeters:
    Multimeter and voltage measurements
    Tolerance specifications for multimeters
    Clamp meters magnetization, demagnetization and offset
    Multimeters and current measurements
    Multimeters and thermocouples
    Multimeter and pulsed DC current (PWM)
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    Thank you for the information.

    This line is double: "The cables can have different thickness and some cables includes the marking and approval of the actual cable used."

    I definitely need to buy some stack-able banana plug cables. Does it matter which ones I buy? Is there a large quality difference?

    My Extech EX330 multimeter measures when shorting the cables (touching tips) around 0.4 ohm. I guess that is not good?, as you mentioned "a good probe for current measurements will not have more than 30mOhm".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiMHi View Post
    This line is double: "The cables can have different thickness and some cables includes the marking and approval of the actual cable used."
    Thanks, it is fixed (My editor has a hotkey to duplicate lines, just besides the hotkey to save the document).

    Quote Originally Posted by NiMHi View Post
    I definitely need to buy some stack-able banana plug cables. Does it matter which ones I buy? Is there a large quality difference?
    There is quality differences, but the ones I list at the bottom looked good.

    Quote Originally Posted by NiMHi View Post
    My Extech EX330 multimeter measures when shorting the cables (touching tips) around 0.4 ohm. I guess that is not good?, as you mentioned "a good probe for current measurements will not have more than 30mOhm".
    I would not trust a multimeter to measure it, you need to do 4 terminal measurement. If you have a power supply that can deliver exactly 1A, you short it with a probe cable and then measure the voltage drop over the probe cable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    [...] If you have a power supply that can deliver exactly 1A, you short it with a probe cable and then measure the voltage drop over the probe cable.
    Probably many readers don't have a CC power supply, but they probably have another CC power source - a Li-ion charger. So insert the cable into the path of a battery being charged at 1A (or some other current) Then measure the voltage drop across the cable while charging a cell (preferably with low enough voltage to still be in CC mode when charged - though you can use current value from CV mode if it the charger current display is updated quickly enough). If the current I is not 1A then you need to calculate the cable resistance by Ohm's Law: R = V/I, where V is the voltage drop across the cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauss163 View Post
    Probably many readers don't have a CC power supply, but they probably have another CC power source - a Li-ion charger. So insert the cable into the path of a battery being charged at 1A (or some other current) Then measure the voltage drop across the cable while charging a cell (preferably with low enough voltage to still be in CC mode when charged - though you can use current value from CV mode if it the charger current display is updated quickly enough). If the current I is not 1A then you need to calculate the cable resistance by Ohm's Law: R = V/I, where V is the voltage drop across the cable.
    A charger is not always a good constant current source and can be difficult to connect to.
    I did long time ago explain how to measure low resistance with a constant voltage supply, a resistor and a multimeter. It is part of my article about measuring on a flashlight: https://lygte-info.dk/info/Measurement%20UK.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    A charger is not always a good constant current source and can be difficult to connect to
    I've done it many times when I was not near a CC supply. It worked fine in every case. Why do you think it might not work?

    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I did long time ago explain how to measure low resistance with a constant voltage supply, a resistor and a multimeter. It is part of my article about measuring on a flashlight: https://lygte-info.dk/info/Measurement%20UK.html
    Yes of course one can use a CV power supply and a resistor, but a layperson is more likely to have access to Li-ion charger than appropriate resistors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauss163 View Post
    I've done it many times when I was not near a CC supply. It worked fine in every case. Why do you think it might not work?
    I did already list the problems with using a charge, try reading what you are answering, before you answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I did already list the problems with using a charge, try reading what you are answering, before you answer.
    Eh? Of course I read your reply - I even quoted it. I thought it would be clear, but my question is: why do you believe what you wrote, i.e. why "A charger is not always a good constant current source" [for this purpose]?

    No doubt there are probably some very poor quality bargain basement Li-ion (CC/CV) chargers, but many common reputable chargers work fine for this purpose. As I stated - I have used them this way. If that's the only option available to some readers (lacking electronics parts such as power resistors) then I see no need to discourage it.

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    Used these for years in the military:

    https://www.amazon.com/Test-Lead-Set.../dp/B00FZZR9RC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauss163 View Post
    Eh? Of course I read your reply - I even quoted it. I thought it would be clear, but my question is: why do you believe what you wrote, i.e. why "A charger is not always a good constant current source" [for this purpose]?

    No doubt there are probably some very poor quality bargain basement Li-ion (CC/CV) chargers, but many common reputable chargers work fine for this purpose. As I stated - I have used them this way. If that's the only option available to some readers (lacking electronics parts such a power resistors) then I see no need to discourage it.

    I listed two reasons, but you have ignored the second:
    1) The quality of the current source (Chargers often use algorithms that are not really constant current, especially when above 4V)
    2) How to connect to it (The two contact points may work fine for a battery, but are usual difficult to use more generally)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I listed two reasons, but you have ignored the second:
    1) The quality of the current source (Chargers often use algorithms that are not really constant current, especially when above 4V)
    2) How to connect to it (The two contact points may work fine for a battery, but are usual difficult to use more generally)
    It's not clear precisely what you mean by the "quality of the current source". Maybe you think the regulation is so imprecise that the results will be of no value. That does not agree with my experience. I got good results in the past. I don't recall the precise numbers so I just ran a quick test with a DMM & 3 CC sources: a high-end Extech MM570 DMM (rebadged Greenlee DM-860), a Liitokala Li-100 and Opus BT-C3100 charger, and an electronic load. For the latter 3, current was set at 500mA and voltage drop was measured across a 5 foot 18awg wire that was inserted between cell and charger/load terminals. The 18650 cell was initially about 3.65V (so charging stayed in CC range). The tests took less than 15 minutes total and connecting to the charger terminals was not problematic. The results (average values) are displayed in the table below



    The DMM is at the extreme low end of its resistance range with only 1 useful digit, displaying 000.04 Ω. The correct value could be anywhere from 35-45 mΩ or worse (probably even worse on low-end DMMs), depending on ADC nonlinearity, rounding, calibration, etc. The electronic load has much more stable current regulation than the chargers so we'll take that measurement as the reference value. Compared to the load, the Lii-100 result is about 0.27% high, and the Opus is about 0.6% low. But the DMM value could be 45 mΩ = 22.6% high (or worse). So the Lii-100 relative error is up to 84x better than the DMM, and the Opus is up to 38x better. This certainly suffices for the above purpose (estimating the resistance of DMM probes).
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    First, i want to thank you HKJ for those wonderfull articles, because they are more than reviews.
    Second, i just measured the resistance of Fluke TL175 leads (european version, of course), which is 0.601 ohms for both. They are fine probes, and to be honest more expensive than i would like to pay, but they were bundled with Fluke 289.
    And the last: yes, contact resistance can make a difference when using current measurements.
    I also home-made cables for current measurements with 12AWG cable from RC world (altough rated only for 30V) and connectors from Schutzinger, made of copper-berillium rated for 30amps. Of course, they cannot be used as the Fluke ones in high energy environments, and for sure they cannot be rated for industrial use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragosios View Post
    [...] Second, i just measured the resistance of Fluke TL175 leads (european version, of course), which is 0.601 ohms for both. They are fine probes, [...]
    That's at least 20x higher than one would expect for a quality probe. Are you sure they are genuine?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragosios View Post
    [...] contact resistance can make a difference when using current measurements.
    Why do you believe that?

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    Yes, genuine, they were bundled with Fluke 289. Hard to belive they would be fake in the original package.
    Contact resistance leads to voltage drop and heat dissipation. I guess you don't want those in your high precision measurements. At least i don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragosios View Post
    Yes, genuine, they were bundled with Fluke 289. Hard to belive they would be fake in the original package.
    Based on web searches (e.g. Amazon reviews) there seems to be many fakes, so double check. The resistance you observed (0.6 Ω) is so inordinately high that I can't believe any reputable manufacturer would sell them.

    Quote Originally Posted by dragosios View Post
    Contact resistance leads to voltage drop and heat dissipation.
    Of course, but why do you believe that affects "current measurements"? (in normal conditions). Were you referring to HKJ's comment about connecting to charger terminals? (the only mention of "contact" above). Or were you referring to something else? It has no impact at all on the measurements that I posted above (if that's what you were implicitly referring to).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragosios View Post
    Second, i just measured the resistance of Fluke TL175 leads (european version, of course), which is 0.601 ohms for both. They are fine probes, and to be honest more expensive than i would like to pay, but they were bundled with Fluke 289.
    I do not believe your measurement, Fluke knows how to make good probes.
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    As far as i know, Fluke probes are actually made by Pomona.
    Here is a snap, measured with the 289 itself. Look for the minimum value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragosios View Post
    As far as i know, Fluke probes are actually made by Pomona.
    Here is a snap, measured with the 289 itself. Look for the minimum value.

    So that is the measurement you obtain with the probe tips shorted together? Are the tips clean?

    If your browse web comments you will find that there are few versions with the same model number, and it is speculated that the lower quality versions may have been intended only for the Chinese market (e.g. iirc mjlorton did a youtube review on them, and the Fluke reps gave very evasive replies in comments).

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    Yes, probes shorted, the range is LoZ in 289.
    I know about versions, but no one was able to find which ones are counterfeit or if there are counterfeits.
    I will try to measure other probes using the same method, i have several more form Fluke and ones from MC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragosios View Post
    Yes, probes shorted, the range is LoZ in 289.
    I know about versions, but no one was able to find which ones are counterfeit or if there are counterfeits.
    I will try to measure other probes using the same method, i have several more form Fluke and ones from MC.
    That explains it, it is not the most precise way to measure low ohmic values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    That explains it, it is not the most precise way to measure low ohmic values.
    What do you mean by "it", the probe-shorting method, the LoZ, the spec's on that meter's range. or something else?

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    That explains it, it is not the most precise way to measure low ohmic values.
    That is true, but i expect it to be more precise than an order of magnitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragosios View Post
    That is true, but i expect it to be more precise than an order of magnitude.
    I have used that method sometimes and often seen silly results. Now I either use a power supply with constant current or a 4 terminal meter.
    When the results are way off I believe that the reason is oxidized probes. Variations can also be due to zero offset in the meter and thermoelectric effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKJ View Post
    I have used that method sometimes and often seen silly results [...]
    I've used it often and I don't recall ever seeing results off by 10x or more. On quality DMM's they are usually very close. Hopefully dragosios will do further tests to narrow down the culprit.

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    Found a pair of older Fluke probes, maybe TL71. They show 0.080 ohms, using the same method.
    The rest of the probes i have are of a modular design, wires separated from probes themselves, i guess this will add some resistance. I will test them one by one when i can (1 year old son here, he likes colorfull wires and probes and tries to eat them, not good).
    Tried to measure the TL175 probes touching between them at different points, the minimum is 0.401ohms somewhere around the indent of the tip.
    Also, looking at what @HKJ posted, my probes look different, the marking "Fluke TL175" is on an yellow insert together (i mean not separate, both on same yellow insert) on each probe, not like HKJ's Fluke embedded in the probe body and TL175 on a separate grey insert.
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    do flukes and amprobes come with good probes??? mine are damaged a bit (burned insulation from touching hot iron) and need to be replaced soon, so should i get same oem probes or look for something better?

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    In my opinion, they are decent to good probes.
    But i would not by them. There are many choices from Probe Master, Pomona, SKS-Hirschmann and even Brymen. I saw on ebay gold-coated Brymen probes with silicone wire for around 18USD.

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    thanks, will look for those brands, now that i know what to look for,

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragosios View Post
    Found a pair of older Fluke probes, maybe TL71. They show 0.080 ohms, using the same method [...] Tried to measure the TL175 probes touching between them at different points, the minimum is 0.401ohms somewhere around the indent of the tip [...]
    That settles it - the problem is the "TL175" probes. In this eevblog thread cyr reports that his TL175 measure 31.5 mOhm/lead, so at 7x that your probe(s) have issues. If they are genuine, then possibly one lead is bad (narrow down the culprit by testing with one TL175 and one TL171). Also try wiggling the plug and bending them near the strain reliefs while measuring. It could be a bad internal connection, or loose 4mm plug, etc.

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    And the results: red TL71+black TL175=0.51 ohm, black TL171+red TL175=0.26 ohm.
    At first sight, black TL175 is the worse of the two, but the red one is not too good either.
    Moving the strain relief part of the probes i got the the minimum of 0.065 ohm, but the culprit seems to be the black one. There is no visible damage on outside.
    I need some time to prepare a constant current source and all that precise stuff, but will be done eventually. Will post updates then.
    Last edited by dragosios; 12-01-2018 at 12:50 PM.

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