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    porter cable always seemed to be in the same league as black and decker, skill, and craftsman, i'm talking about last 20 years, they are good tools that will do the job, in a household, commercial environment however is a different animal, for that you want makita, dewalt or milwaukee. those 3 are most used in commercial applications. of course there is hilty, but i have not seen many pros use them, too expensive for most shops, does not really offer much over those 3, that justifies the cost.

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    I agree aplg88, for me dewalt and milwaukee are the main choices. Had a few other other brands over the years, although none are perfect, i have stuck with dewalt for my needs. Work have bought a bosch impact 1/2 , case, charger and 2x5ah batteries. Nice little set up, but already after a few months use, it feels tired with the trigger response. Just does not feel tough, the 1st 1/2 of the trigger travel does nothing. Then after me using my dewalt 1/4 drive and drill(brushless), they bought a 1/4 drive impact and drill set by makita. Straight away they got brushed, sparks flying and just feels rougher out of the box. Dont get me wrong, for occasional DIY around the home, its probably up to the job. But for heavy duty(not to mention safety risks as goes against ATEX) in dusty environments, brushed does not make any sense(along with not as efficient and long term life). These are lower end examples of makita, i feel the same way with other manufacturers as well inc dewalt.

    I think what country and availability is of course important. Easy to get hold of replacement parts/batteries as if dependent on the tools, could mean loss of earnings(like to think have back ups for the just in case times). I have a spare 1/4 drive impact which new cost £70 for the gun(no batt). Its not life or death for me, it just makes my job easier(only engineer to have his own impact guns). But then again, not only am i the flashlight guy, i am the tool perv as well lol.

    I keep weighing up the milwakee M18 range, so tempting to try out. Maybe at a later date when i get bored or ???

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    Porter Cable is just another name that another company now owns that they try to parlay into profits based on the former glory of the brand.
    This is so common now that there is little resemblance between the well earned favor of the name and the generic lack of quality and innovation of the current products bearing the name.

    Why do you think there is even a line called Porter Cable?
    I own some old school porter cable and they are second to none,there were not even really decent cordless tools like there are Today when the famed name was sold so that it could be slapped onto mediocre tools in the hopes that people not in the know would buy for the name alone and what it used to mean.
    The line of Routers they used to make and innovate were long the standard in the industry for an industrial league product.

    Craftsman is exactly the same and they are no longer anything like they were in the heyday of the brand before Sears sold the name to try to stay alive.
    Milwaukee
    Ridgid
    Skill
    Ryobi

    All were their own company and identity before being peddled away to align with some new companies idea of strategic branding for their own interest and hardly for ours.

    There are only a few companies now that make this stuff and most support multiple identities through different sales channels to capture a bigger share of the market, thats all.

    Right now Milwaukee seems to be the mainline best out there that is easily purchased and they also have a really broad line of tools in both 12v & 18v platforms.
    Makita is still a family owned company and their stuff is excellent but not marketed as fully here in the USA so they can not build the same market that Milwaukee has thru the Orange Box stores.
    Likewise Ryobi is positioned right at the bottom pricewise but is made and owned by the same company as Milwaukee.

    Stanley seems to own the biggest chunk of brands and makes sure that they are represented anywhere that they like and they even play games trying to make the same stuff seem different of making special versions for different resellers but in the end the stuff is all more alike than different really at each price point based on my own experience at least.

    I mainly use Milwaukee for the advantage of being able to get returns or replacements at the same stores where I buy the tools in the first place and these stores are all over the place everywhere I go.

    I buy what I see works in the field and nothing else really matters,if I can make a living with a tool that is what I use.
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    I don't use tools for a living, so my experience doesn't compare to yours.

    A front end mechanic, and shop owner told me that he has pretty much all Snap On tools. He used them in school, accumulated them as an apprentice, and got a lot more of them when he opened his shop. They are expensive. He has craftsman tools at home. For a home owner they are fine. In fact he was a bit undecided on whether, if he were to open a new shop today, (15 years ago) would he get snap-on, or craftsman. He thought about it and said... probably snap-on. Primarily because of the service. If a tool broke, or he needed one he didn't have, he could make a call and have it delivered, or replaced.

    When I was a kid I had a set of cheap "made in Japan" tools. Back then Japan steel wasn't of the quality of today. If my wrench started to slip, I would get my father's craftsman wrench, and it gripped much better. When I grew up, I got my own craftsman tools. I also picked up some Stanley tools just to keep in the car, or whatever. I think they are just as good. I also have some Husky tools... forever guarantee, like craftsman tools. My boss had a Husky ratchet that he managed to break, I brought it to Home Depot without a receipt and they swapped it out for me, no problem. With my brief experience with the Home Depot, and their Husky brand, and am very comfortable buying any of their branded products.

    Years ago, I was told that Craftsman electrical power tools were "secretly" made by Black and Decker. I bought their cheapest reciprocating sander, and broke it. It was well after the 90 day warranty, but they gave me full credit for the price I paid, if I paid the difference for the next higher priced product. My roommate burnt it up. It was a poor design, without a bearing where there should have been one. SO again I paid for the difference in price of the upgraded unit. Therefore I do not hold Black and Decker products in high esteem, but I DO hold the Sears, stand behind their products, in high esteem.

    While I consider Black and Decker at the low end of quality, I have a 1976 jigsaw, and a 1980 circular saw and reciprocating saw that still work perfectly about 40 years later. So my father's adage of buy the best quality of tool you can afford, I have modified to also include, if there is a reasonable expectation that its' difference in quality is worth the additional cost.

    I have a few Ryobi 18V battery tools each bought at a near by Home Depot. They don't get the use they would if I was a tradesman, but for home use, I don't suspect they'll fail me any time soon. I expect the batteries will fail before the tools.
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    Lot of dislike for Porter Cable apparently, but I'm still loving my 20v brushless set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaichu dento View Post
    Lot of dislike for Porter Cable apparently, but I'm still loving my 20v brushless set.
    Well that was not my point at all,I have not even used a PC Cordless since they hit the market.

    I was just saying that the PC tools sold now bear only the name that Porter Cable worked hard for a long time to establish but that they have nothing left in common with outside of that name.
    They sure do not position them in the marketplace as they were used to being in the old days where they were a premium brand that could stand next to any other brand of the time.

    So I have to assume that they are just trying to parlay the good name to sell current product which is likely just like everything else marketed by the current maker of the name.

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    There is no tool I enjoy using more than a angle grinder or cut-off wheel,
    just find it really satisfying for some reason when I need to use it.
    Anyway, always wanted a cordless angle grinder, but the cost just didn't justify

    So over this last Thanksgiving deals online, I was looking at Milwaukee FUEL stuff again & found a clearance deal on a brushless angle grinder kit.
    simply an incredible deal from cpo, who I'v dealt with in the past.

    -to make a long story short-

    Milwaukee 2981-22 kit
    Brushless M18 Angle grinder @ 13 amp equivalent power (lock-on slide switch)
    Two 6.0Ah HO batteries* which the very cheapest anywhere list for $179 a pair.
    The good Milwaukee Charger
    Contractor bag & extra stuff

    ...all for only $120 more than the cost of the batteries if you know what I mean
    (factory sealed kit, everything brand new)

    best deal I got online in a while


    *uses 21700 cells

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    Thatís one helova deal there, pics when you get it

    I have a few grinders, mine are the plug in ones. Quite possibly the most dangerous tool ever!!! Lethal ! But yes fun haha

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    such a guy thing, pics of angle grinder=} it did arrive yesterday & I wanted to check it out before posting here.
    After imageshack rather imploded, I never bothered to set up a another image hosting account.

    For some better pics & stuff of kit https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Produc...sp-keyfeatures

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    Haha too right, looks a great bit of kit, making me want one!

    I started to use imgur, pretty easy and free for pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbital View Post
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    There is no tool I enjoy using more than a angle grinder or cut-off wheel,
    just find it really satisfying for some reason when I need to use it.
    Anyway, always wanted a cordless angle grinder, but the cost just didn't justify

    So over this last Thanksgiving deals online, I was looking at Milwaukee FUEL stuff again & found a clearance deal on a brushless angle grinder kit.
    simply an incredible deal from cpo, who I'v dealt with in the past.

    -to make a long story short-

    Milwaukee 2981-22 kit
    Brushless M18 Angle grinder @ 13 amp equivalent power (lock-on slide switch)
    Two 6.0Ah HO batteries* which the very cheapest anywhere list for $179 a pair.
    The good Milwaukee Charger
    Contractor bag & extra stuff

    ...all for only $120 more than the cost of the batteries if you know what I mean
    (factory sealed kit, everything brand new)

    best deal I got online in a while


    *uses 21700 cells
    that is a hell of a good deal. I would have done that for the batteries alone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabe1 View Post
    that is a hell of a good deal. I would have done that for the batteries alone!
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    My wording was a bit tricky, the price was $120 more than what the batteries would be,, so $299 is what I got it for (free ship)
    An investment and a super deal

    HomeD. & everywhere else lists that kit for $450

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    I will update here so i can find it again later when i get chance to use. Thanks CG

    Added to the dewalt family a bit recently. Added a 3sp brushless drill(no pics yet as in work and i am at home, will update as soon as possible)
    Its the DCD966 P

    So i brought my spare impact driver thats sat in a locker home, along with my 2sp drill. I brought my 4a battery and then bought 2 new 5a

    So for jobs at home

    Pic took before jobs! not quite as clean now lol

    Then needing some garden work, decided after a little research on a brushless chainsaw. To keep simple and 18v(20v your side), i chose the same voltage. I was tempted with the 54v, but honestly a little over kill for my needs. Not only that, i would be tempted with the 9a batteries of which those alone are £130+ ea. Too much, its not like i use it for work.



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    Lower smaller on left for chain tension, larger to remove side guard(no tools required)


    side removed


    Oil at the ready


    Just took a fresh few pics
    Spare bar/chain 12" and protection


    Size of course small/compact and not too heavy


    Rough idea of scale


    Fits easy in 24" work bag for storage.

    I dont have any real experience though for any comparisons. Will update after some real use, not sure right now when that will be though. Could be back end of the year(Sep on)


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    Needing to get out of the house for a bit, I headed to the garage to compare the new batteries to the old ones. Stepping up to 6AH from 1.5AH will be a welcomed increase of runtime.



    I recently used this saw with a pruning blade to remove all the branches from a dead cherry tree. I found it much safer than using my gas powered chainsaw. The tree was about 20 feet tall and I did all the work from a ladder. I offered the fire-worthy wood to a friend from church. He came equipped with a big Stihl and cut everything else.

    It was just a coincidence the beer matched the colors of the tools.


    I decided to charge all the batteries and clean up the rest of the Dewalt family so they'd be L@@King their best when the new saw arrives next Sunday.



    Here's a picture of the cherry tree taken in 2004. I was really sorry to have to cut it down. The previous owner cut the top of every branch, dooming it to a slow death. We enjoyed the tree for 35 years.



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    awesome CG, love the nice bit of land you have. I would love a garden like that, beautiful!

    Nice dewalt family, i dont think(not for a while anyway) i will be able to do a family pic. With 3 tools in work(3sp 1/4 impact, 3sp drill, 1/2 impact), it would be a bit of a pain to bring home for a pic.

    I will get some newer ones of the work tools, all look new still to be honest . I always make sure clean and they dont come into contact with oils etc. Dust mostly, so brush/ air blow down after use.

    Battery packs off the top of my head, i have 4x 5ah and 1x4ah.........so one could argue i am a battery short(6 tools).

    I bet all your delwats are excited with their new family member coming soon

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    Ven, we've watched mainly British-made TV shows for a decade or more and really love the garden-themed shows. Is Monte Don and his various garden shows (Gardeners World, currently) a big hit over there? Especially now, his shows provide a big bit of escapism and stress relief. Watching him, his co-hosts and his two big dogs lazily tinkering in the garden is a lot of fun.
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    As far as i know BVH, from the 90's on, there have been many gardening programs. In truth i have not seen any for ages, but i tend to not watch much general TV at all. Topgear is about the only program i will watch, or odd series here and there. Most of my TV is amazon or netflix series to chill out to at night.

    Only gardening i have done so far is turning the soil and mowing lawn(have a little petrol lawn mower), usual strimmer use. I tend to do the garden every week to 2 weeks(prob about every 8 days during spring/summer). Being a little limited to time(generally , like work, school runs and other stuff) my gardening times are not extravagant.

    Of course now a little different with schools closed, but i have a few plans. I was going to do the drive(lifting lots of flags, sand, membrane , stones), but can not get building supplies right now. As with tips closed, i cant remove anything either.........call it stuck!

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    Get ya bits out guys

    What bits do you use? I tend to use milwaukee stuff and dewalt in work. Impact sockets are bosch, bahco and draper for work. Smaller bits(1/4 drive) hex pb swiss tools , dewalt, smaller sockets for 1/4 impact blue point/snap on.
    pb tools

    My 1/2 impact gets used 2 or 3 times a week on bigger jobs

    The 3sp 1/4 impact almost daily, mainly used with pb hex bits.


    Home use dewalt and milwaukee




    For decent value, the renamed hitachi impact set was bought for any home type use with sockets(and bits). So wheel nuts, to maybe building something.

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    Tool porn

    ven, You're a man after my own heart. I'm always mindful of the cosmetic health of my tools when utilizing them. I friend or two have even gone so far as to make fun of me for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey Gardiner View Post
    Tool porn

    ven, You're a man after my own heart. I'm always mindful of the cosmetic health of my tools when utilizing them. I friend or two have even gone so far as to make fun of me for it.
    How dare they!!!! There might be a few fellow engineers in work , who might say i am a tool perv.......might! Maybe as well as a torch perv, i might add..........did i say might

    If anyone needs an X Y or Z tool, you would never guess their 1st port of call

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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    How dare they!!!! There might be a few fellow engineers in work , who might say i am a tool perv.......might! Maybe as well as a torch perv, i might add..........did i say might

    If anyone needs an X Y or Z tool, you would never guess their 1st port of call

    Cheers CG
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    Yes CG, i am about to start helping that when i leave in an hour. Onwards and upwards my friend

    Will get a few extra pics when i can.

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    Hope you have a safe day. I L@@K forward to C Ing your pictures.
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    Thank you kind sir

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    I had fun this week my neighbor cut a bunch of limbs and they were piled in his back yard for months now as he is older than I am I decided to help him out. I grabbed my 20v Porter Cable circular saw and a trash can with 39 gallon liner and chopped up his limbs into small enough pieces to fill up the trash bag. 3 trash bags later and 6 batteries I was done and he was totally amazed how fast the circular saw chopped up the limbs. I stumbled upon the idea a year ago when I had a bunch of larger limbs fall off a tree in a windstorm and was tired of using my loppers even though they do a good job it takes a lot of effort and time and can only cut branches up to a certain size. I tried out my circular saw and found I could hold a handful of limbs and saw through them all in a jiffy. I've cut my time cutting limbs down to about 1/4 the time it used to take. You can cut larger limbs with it by cutting half way through and flipping it over and cutting the other half way through. I'm totally sold on 20v lithium technology I just wish I could afford Dewalt or Milwaukee as Porter Cable batteries are limited to about 4Ah no option for 5/6+A batteries but they do have fast chargers for them (2A).
    I did notice that Dewalt now offers a chain saw in their 20V line, Black and Decker has one but I couldn't afford it as it costs new around $100 or so almost rather just invest in a gas saw.
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    That is a good idea Lynx.

    UK prices are quite a bit more than US it seems. $100 gets you a 5a battery, for the 9a 18/54v(flexvolt) your looking at close to $200. For the 20v chainsaw, your getting close to $300 equiv. Thats body only.

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    I picked up a 4A porter Cable clone battery on Ebay for $25 that works great well worth the money more than doubled my runtime not sure it is a 4A battery though it acts like at least a 3A battery and IMO a bargain price compared to the 4/5A batteries for other tool brands. I've been using it mostly on my Porter Cable sawzall at work and also to do yard work. I was going to get another one but the place I got one from sold out of them. I recently picked up a Stanley 20v Hammer drill with battery for cheap and after cutting a little plastic off the battery it now charges in my Porter Cable chargers and works in all my Porter Cable and Black and Decker tools. I think Bostitch also has 20v tools using the same battery type as Black/Decker and Porter Cable and Stanley.
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    A bargain, you could also swap out the batteries to once they become tired(soldering iron at the ready). I noted in my dewalt 5a bats ,are samsung 25r x10. I will presume the 4a are 20r x10.

    Before dewalt i had ryobi, but the battery iirc was a 1.5a. Still adequate for DIY type drill use, but for any meaty jobs it had limited use. Thankfully be it 4a, 5a, swapping out to a spare gives enough time to charge the tired battery. When i past what seemed like lots of use, i measured the dewalt battery at still over 20v.(20.8 max)

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    I once considered swapping batteries in packs back in the nicad pack days and found it was too costly and the endless warnings about soldering 18650 batteries plus trying to source good batteries at a decent price is often like searching for the holy grail. If I had a battery spot welder I would probably consider it. The small 1.5A batteries do well for most tasks other than saws and hammer drilling and we have heavier tools for those tasks plus hammer drilling in concrete requires a vacuum attachment which drives the price of tools for that task to mostly unobtainable for us average folks and for sawing we go to band saws and a large battery band saw is also rather costly too.
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    Few updated pics CG, as i was using the 1/2" impact to open 2 large dust silos(24mm bolts x 30+ of on each, 5a battery still showing 3 lights and took 20 mins to top off, thats after doing 2 silo's of 24x 19mm bolts as well!)
    3sp 1/4 impact lives in tool bag, this in in tool box!
    Storage for the 1/2 and drill takes most of a draw up



    New edition for work 3sp with over 90nm or torque




    1/2 impact, around 450nm and 800nm undoing


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