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    I share the dislikes many have mentioned like strobes in particular. But I think I'd say proprietary batteries that can't be removed and recharged in a standard li ion charger. Battery technology has advanced so far, just use the same battery format the rest of the world does without packaging it in a way that prevents easy replacement and recharging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xevious View Post
    Have you considered putting the magnetized key cards in protective sheaths? I do that with my frequently carried credit cards. It helps protect them from RFID scanning, plus minimized scratching. They're paper thin sleeves with a foil coating inside.
    Yes, I have, and I do, but that does not necessarily protect them adequately, and one is also my work ID card, which has to be shown to a guard and visible on me all day, so encasing it in a protective sleeve is awkward.
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    Its funny, I would have said strobe is my number one disliked feature or unnecessary feature. I was glad none of my flashlights had it. Then not long ago I had search and rescue training and we worked with helicopter pilots from the national guard and they said the best way to alert them to our location at night is strobe. They apparently use this on missions when they are deployed, and it cues them into the fact that our light is signaling to them in what can be a bunch of lights in their night vision that they aren't as easily able to distinguish which one is us, which one is a signal and not just another light, etc. Now I'm wishing my favorite lights have that feature lol. Guess I will have to do it manually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightysparrow View Post
    Yes, I have, and I do, but that does not necessarily protect them adequately, and one is also my work ID card, which has to be shown to a guard and visible on me all day, so encasing it in a protective sleeve is awkward.
    You could use a clear plastic sleeve. Tons of those available, even with slots for a clip loop. I used to use one attached to a clip-on reel for easy showing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumen83 View Post
    Its funny, I would have said strobe is my number one disliked feature or unnecessary feature. I was glad none of my flashlights had it. Then not long ago I had search and rescue training and we worked with helicopter pilots from the national guard and they said the best way to alert them to our location at night is strobe. They apparently use this on missions when they are deployed, and it cues them into the fact that our light is signaling to them in what can be a bunch of lights in their night vision that they aren't as easily able to distinguish which one is us, which one is a signal and not just another light, etc. Now I'm wishing my favorite lights have that feature lol. Guess I will have to do it manually.
    If the light has momentary on then you can simulate strobe... but it's certainly tedious for anything beyond half a minute. Strobe is a nice feature to have when you need it. As long as it's tucked away in a sub menu so it's not in the primary brightness modes, it's all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xevious View Post
    As long as it's tucked away in a sub menu so it's not in the primary brightness modes, it's all good.
    Very much agreed. Having to cycle through it with other modes is terrible. Hopefully I will not have to simulate it very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xevious View Post
    If the light has momentary on then you can simulate strobe... but it's certainly tedious for anything beyond half a minute. Strobe is a nice feature to have when you need it. As long as it's tucked away in a sub menu so it's not in the primary brightness modes, it's all good.
    The funny thing for me is that I could not find Strobe on a ZL if I tried to but whenever I hand someone a ZL they can only get to strobe somehow and never on purpose?

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    I think triple click goes straight to strobe on my ZL SC5w.

    I hate lights that start in a mode I don’t use much, and have to cycle through the modes to get to the mode I want whenever I use it. Or lights that turn on in the next mode when you use it the next time (they usually have strobe as one of those modes)
    I'd love to shed some light on that for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by xevious View Post
    You could use a clear plastic sleeve. Tons of those available, even with slots for a clip loop. I used to use one attached to a clip-on reel for easy showing.
    I already keep most of my cards in sleeves - thick, hard plastic sleeves, but they will not stop a magnet from demagnetizing the card. I know that from experience.
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    My most disliked feature is that lenses in my high end flashlights cant be changed or cannot be changed easily when they are broken/scratched. And the plastic lenses in my cheap mini maglites are very easy to replace.

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    Strobe mode, easily. Given how many people have answered the same, why do manufacturers keep adding that useless misfeature in their lights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by majid View Post
    Strobe mode, easily. Given how many people have answered the same, why do manufacturers keep adding that useless misfeature in their lights?
    Manufacturers of "tactical" or duty lights have a customer base that does have a use case for strobe. It just boils down to the fact that adding the feature doesn't sway many away from a light, but it adds some sales to those who do require it.

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    SOS

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    Quote Originally Posted by xevious View Post
    If the light has momentary on then you can simulate strobe... but it's certainly tedious for anything beyond half a minute. Strobe is a nice feature to have when you need it. As long as it's tucked away in a sub menu so it's not in the primary brightness modes, it's all good.
    I believe all you would need to do is wave it back and forth this way it's on when pointed in their direction and off when not pointed that way. Should work with many switch types.

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    Ah man where do I start? Well just a few of the things that I hate, and I'll hold no punches back:

    1. Flashlight engineers ignoring the battery safety specs in their designs (I'm talking about you Surefire).
    2. Step down in lumens, as too many companies are gaming the ANSI FL1 Standard just so they can list super high lumen values and long runtimes. (again looking at SF, Olight and many other companies too).
    3. Not designing flashlights that can use environmentally sound and economical NiMH batteries (all eyes on you Streamlight, and you too LED Lenser, get with the game as it's already 2019!).
    4. Side switches, as they can too easily activate in a pocket. (Olight you are guilty as charged).
    5. EDC lumen monsters, I mean really, other than showing off, no one has a need for such ridiculous output levels that overheat in seconds. (Emisar put your head down in shame).
    6. Strobe and SOS, especially on small keychain lights (Chinese makers all guilty at one time or another).
    7. Lights with internal non-replaceable batteries, no company should be selling disposable lights with a 6 to 24 month life. (Surefire again, Nitecore (you started this stupid trend), Olight, Streamlight, prob others too).

    I could go on but those are the ones I feel most strongly about.

    Edit: added 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobGarrett View Post
    I share the dislikes many have mentioned like strobes in particular. But I think I'd say proprietary batteries that can't be removed and recharged in a standard li ion charger. Battery technology has advanced so far, just use the same battery format the rest of the world does without packaging it in a way that prevents easy replacement and recharging.
    That is a good one. Building on that, any flashlight that won't work without proprietary batteries. Two different Four-Sevens I own are that way, and I would never buy a similar light. I've got a bunch of great charged up batteries that won't work in either, and both need to be charged from USB (slow).

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    I enjoy having plenty of special modes on my flashlights, but I always forget the special sequences of button pushes when it's time to use it. That's why I prefer the button on/off switch on the end cap. That way, there's never any confusion when I grab a light when I need it.

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    I hate SOS/Strobe in the main mode sequence. I've legitimately used a blinky mode once in my life directing parking at a volunteer event. It's nice to have, but I never use it...so just intuitively hide them.

    With the popularity of blinky modes, it's baffling to me that so many companies don't include moonlight. So much more useful and practical than disco modes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoVegan View Post
    5. EDC lumen monsters, I mean really, other than showing off, no one has a need for such ridiculous output levels that overheat in seconds. (Emisar put your head down in shame).
    I suppose this depends on one's expectations of "EDC Lumen monsters".

    If one looks at the advertised peak lumens and expects that output sustained then I suppose one might be disappointed that something with a mere ~150% of volume of the cell it contains can't continuously dissipate ~30 watts without the consequences of thermal stepdown, short runtimes, or both.

    Conversely, if one sees the long trend of such diminutive lights being capable of a more reasonable <5 watts continuous output with the turbo mode as a "show off" mode (or as Emisar puts it - "what was that?") then the limited utility of turbo is properly framed - as as bonus feature that supplements what's otherwise a <500 sustained lumen flashlight.

    The latter is how I see mine - lights that are allowed to operate within the full limits of the system's performance with the consequences of excess left to the user to manage. Fits my typical usage (dog walking) great - a few hundred lumens for most of the task, bursts of canned sunlight on tap if I want it.
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    My least favorite feature is black.
    When I need a flashlight it’s dark and black is hardest color to find.
    I find it disappointing that the default color is black.

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    Hi all I'm new, but not new new. Couldn't recover my account after a brief hiatus.

    Anyway, I dislike lights that turn on and its on the next mode as someone mention. No memory and no reset, annoys me to no end. Thank goodness I only made the mistake of buying 1 light like that.

    Strobe I like as I have a need for it, but only if there is a special button or hidden button manipulation to access it, otherwise it's a no go.

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    In order of most disliked:

    Lights that come on in my pocket
    Low CRI, even if tint is below the BBL
    Green tint, even if High CRI
    lack of firefly levels
    Stepped ramping,
    Clickies and twisties, even if programmable
    Memory
    Lights with no pocket clip option, if they can roll off a table
    Long press for off
    Magnets
    lack of strobe
    lack of LVP

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_slider View Post
    ...
    Lights that come on in my pocket
    ...
    Even worse is "Lights that come on in my pocket and burn a hole through my pants"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireclaw18 View Post
    Even worse is "Lights that come on in my pocket and burn a hole through my pants"
    LOL! totally agree
    one of several reasons I dont own a D4

    none of my lights make more than 600 lumens
    my lifestyle does not require a barn burner atm
    I also dont need a single mode light, nor am I in the tactical niche ;-)

    different strokes

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    Strobe, I used it a few times in my life. Once to slow down cars with the light pointed at the ground for trick or treaters to cross the road, and to flag down people picking me up from hidden locations once I saw them in sight. Other than that strobe is stupid. One light with strobe is enough.

    More than 2 modes. I prefer one mode and can accept more if I have to, but I prefer one single mode. I even turned down a free HI LOW ring from Malkoff on a MD2.

    USB charging- sucks so bad I never owned one and have no plans to.

    I am really getting tired of EDCing my D4. The reason is to many stupid button pushes, I am not playing a video game here, I am trying to get light out of a tube. Here is a typical day in the life of a person (me) who currently EDC's a D4 for 24 hours. Step one, wake up in the morning and look away from where you are pointing your D4 so you don't blind yourself clicking it 4 times to get it out of momentary. Step 2, click it 6 times to lock it out so you can safely put it in your pocket. Step 3, during the day whenever you need some light click it 6 more times to have the privilege to begin selecting the amount of light you want or need. Repeat step 2 and 3 any time you would like to use your light throughout the day. Before bed click 6 times to unlock then 4 times for momentary. (Obviously this is if you carry no other light which has happened before on accident).

    Most of the other stuff people listed above.

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    I personally don't like/use and "special modes" and have found that when lights get wet, humidity... not sure, that those hidden modes come to the front if they are there. Some of my lights even unlock those hidden modes accidently just from a battery change.

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    Lack of a real moonlight mode (0.07 or preferably lower), it’s a deal breaker for any EDC light for me. On top of that, accessible from “off” without having to cycle any other higher mode to reach it.

    On the other hand, I find that a hidden low Hz strobe mode is useful in emergencies, I had a car accident once and it helped me signal other vehicles coming over, so they could slow down and not cause another accident. It was middle of the night, snowing on a narrow, busy road, without cell reception.
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    This should be required reading for newbies like me. Great thread.

    I have only one light, and for now am annoyed there’s no way to attach a wrist lanyard without tying something like a constrictor knot around the tube. For me, a lanyard would be helpful to retrieve my light from a pocket or bag, prevent drops, and free my hands to grab a doorknob in the middle of the night, lift my kid from her crib in an emergency, move someone out of harms way and the like.

    Separately, and for the life of me, I can’t wrap my head around how a forward clicky works to better understand the strong preferences some here have for that or a reverse. My light has five modes (moonlight to high) and I understand it to be a reverse clicky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaBRAVO View Post
    .... I can’t wrap my head around how a forward clicky works to better understand the strong preferences some here have for that or a reverse....
    An over-simplified summary ...

    Forward Clicky
    when off
    tap = momentary light (flash / signal / etc)
    click = locked on
    when on
    tap = (no change)
    click = off

    Reverse Clicky
    when off
    tap = (no change)
    click = on
    when on
    tap = momentary dark (blink / switch / etc)
    click = locked off
    ... is the archimedes peak

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    Personally, having adjustable levels. I do appreciate being able to dim some lights with the UI such as Andúril, but for what I do I much prefer my L2M with straight on/off.

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