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    Recently there was a news item about a plane that crashed in the sea and they were looking for survivors. News said they were calling off the search till the morning. I sat my 12 year old son down and said to him...

    "Samuel, if I am ever lost at sea or in the desert, mountains, wherever, don't let them call the search off when it gets dark. In fact, tell them to specifically look for me at night because wherever I am and whatever condition I'm in I can absolutely guarantee you that I'll have at least one moderately powerful torch on me and they will be able to spot me from a huge distance away."

    It just seemed like good sense to make that clear to him right!

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    Speaking from experience, search and rescue can get dangerous at night, depending on location and conditions. They most likely are not pausing because itís dark, but rather that the risk to the rescuers is too high.

    Also, if you were in a plane crash in the ocean, and you happened to survive, I doubt your light would still be with you and working, no matter how secure you thought it was.

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    Default Re: What I told my son to do if Search and Rescue were ever looking for me.

    Hmm, I detect a potential conflict of interests here...

    Hypothetically, would your son stand to inherit your flashlight collection if (heaven's forbid) you went MIA?
    17 is 11, 11 is 6, 6 is 3 and 3 is none. Also it's good to have some backups.

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    Would OP mind if we move this thread to "Adventures and Quests" where it might get more visibility for this topic ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wosser View Post
    Hmm, I detect a potential conflict of interests here...

    Hypothetically, would your son stand to inherit your flashlight collection if (heaven's forbid) you went MIA?
    LOL. Speaking like a true flashaholic!!! Priorities...

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    Search and rescue at night has gotten much easier and safer do to drones.
    If i had one day left to live i would want to be at my workplace.Because every day is like a frickin eternity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    Search and rescue at night has gotten much easier and safer do to drones.
    The county I work for has one drone that I know of. Large wealthy counties, sure, drones make sense. However, every S and R I have ever done did not have access to drones. And a plane in the ocean? Underwater drones are even more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephron44 View Post
    The county I work for has one drone that I know of. Large wealthy counties, sure, drones make sense. However, every S and R I have ever done did not have access to drones. And a plane in the ocean? Underwater drones are even more expensive.
    Technically an underwater drone would be an ROV and yes, they are way more expensive. Consider that if you managed to survive a crash in the water, its doubtful you'd be able to breath underwater...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MX421 View Post
    Technically an underwater drone would be an ROV and yes, they are way more expensive. Consider that if you managed to survive a crash in the water, its doubtful you'd be able to breath underwater...
    My point exactly. Given the limited resources and dangers of S and R at night, it is understandable why they call them off until morning.

    That being said, if crews are able and willing, then yes, they should carry on efforts as long as possible. However, I understand both sides...

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    Jay R, you did very well to tell him that.

    I would of done the same. I always have at least a powerful green laser with me at night no matter where I go so I definitely can signal from quite a distance if needed.

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    Default Re: What I told my son to do if Search and Rescue were ever looking for me.

    Archimedes, sure you can move it.

    I didn't actually think the post would generate much interest as it was just a half tongue-in-cheek reaction to a news item. It wasn't till a little while after I told him that I thought that, yes, actually, it would be a good move.

    Nephron, The news item was about a light aircraft going down rather than an airliner. Something you are more likely to get out from before it sinks. I pretty much guarantee that I'd have at least one light on me as I almost always have at the very least a 900 lumen Nitecore EA11 or EC11 in my pocket and always when I'm on any kind of public transport be it ferry, bus, plane... The small size would ensure it stays deep in my pocket.
    I half remember seeing some years ago (10-15 years?) a test on lights visible at a distance at night. I seem to remember that it said that even a low powered flashlight could be seen from several miles on a moonless night. Does anyone know of a link to any proper test?
    Point made about the rescuers putting themselves at risk but if it's a case of standing on a cliff top with binoculars looking out at where the ferry sank or looking off the edge of road to see where the bus threw it's passengers into the overgrowth as it rolled down the mountain side, they should still be willing. And remember, sea searches are often done via boat so no additional risk there.
    Even if they didn't find me alive I suspect the news item would end "...his body found with the flashlight cord still wrapped around his wrist."

    Wosser, I'm not worried about my son wanting my lights so much than the rather generous life insurance my company has. That may persuade him not to mention anything to the rescue team. I remember when I sat the wife down and told her what she would get and how she should spend/invest it. Next day I got food poisoning. (True story). She had cooked a separate dinner using leftover for her to eat so she was fine!
    Last edited by Jay R; 03-12-2019 at 07:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    Search and rescue at night has gotten much easier and safer do to drones.
    I'm sure in some areas, and in some conditions this is true. Neither of the teams I am involve with have employed them yet. I haven't heard of them being used in this area yet at all. From what I hear, most of them still have issues with less than ideal conditions. Thick forest canopy, high winds, heavy snow, etc. Which, are the conditions that tend to lead to people needing rescue in the first place. Now, I imagine that in the future the technology will progress and become more widely available. But from what I know, it is still in its infancy with limited availability and ability.

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    Default Re: What I told my son to do if Search and Rescue were ever looking for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post
    Archimedes, sure you can move it.

    I didn't actually think the post would generate much interest as it was just a half tongue-in-cheek reaction to a news item. It wasn't till a little while after I told him that I thought that, yes, actually, it would be a good move....
    Done, thanks. Good topic for Adventures and Quests indeed ....

    Anyone here with experience using SatPhones, like the inReach ?

    Avalanche transceivers ?

    Something like the Breitling Emergency beacon ?

    I know there are many here on CPF who participate in S & R, but anyone willing to share their experience(s) of being found by a search party ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post

    Nephron, The news item was about a light aircraft going down rather than an airliner. Something you are more likely to get out from before it sinks. I pretty much guarantee that I'd have at least one light on me as I almost always have at the very least a 900 lumen Nitecore EA11 or EC11 in my pocket and always when I'm on any kind of public transport be it ferry, bus, plane... The small size would ensure it stays deep in my pocket.
    I half remember seeing some years ago (10-15 years?) a test on lights visible at a distance at night. I seem to remember that it said that even a low powered flashlight could be seen from several miles on a moonless night. Does anyone know of a link to any proper test?
    Point made about the rescuers putting themselves at risk but if it's a case of standing on a cliff top with binoculars looking out at where the ferry sank or looking off the edge of road to see where the bus threw it's passengers into the overgrowth as it rolled down the mountain side, they should still be willing. And remember, sea searches are often done via boat so no additional risk there.
    Even if they didn't find me alive I suspect the news item would end "...his body found with the flashlight cord still wrapped around his wrist."
    Itís just not that simple, it never is. Light aircraft, heavy aircraft, doesnít matter...itís never straightforward. In a perfect situation with perfect conditions, your logic is completely reasonable. However, situations are never perfect.

    Iím not trying to be bleak...I just feel like so many people have this notion that life saving and rescue is so simple and straightforward...itís not. I challenge everyone to take even a basic course on wilderness or even urban rescue, and then see if your thoughts change...I would put money in they will...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post
    ......... it was just a half tongue-in-cheek reaction to a news item. the flashlight cord still wrapped around his wrist."

    ......the rather generous life insurance my company has. ..... I remember when I sat the wife down and told her what she would get ........ Next day I got food poisoning. She had cooked a separate dinner using leftover for her to eat so she was fine!


    Jay, I knew you were relaying the story tongue n cheek and therefore not an actual plan for your rescue. However, that's a very alarming anecdote about your wife's separate dinner. Pray tell, any further close calls that only befell you?

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    OK That's one heck of a coincidence!!

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