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    Default Asking for input on MMX-360, MMX Burst, and Maelstrom G5 S2

    Hi,

    I recently started reading about flashlight. The brand "4Sevens" came up in many posts and threads as a high quality brand, among Malkoff, Elzetta, HDSsystem, and Surefire.

    I'd love to ask for your inputs on these models, as I'm not sure if I understand correctly: MMX-360, MMX Burst, and G5 S2.

    1) Is MMX-360 and MMX-Burst the same? If not, what are the differences? The only review I can find is of MMX Burst http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...door-Beamshots

    2) Assuming these are three different models, which one has a good mix of flood and throw in your opinion (photos are absolutely welcome)?

    3) Where can I read more about these models, e.g. lux, candela, battery type, battery life, modes, continuous output duration, etc. (the more detailed the review, the better)? I can't find any review for the Maelstrom G5 S2, only for G5 XP-L R5
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...IMES-BEAMSHOTS
    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...Youtube-Video)

    4) Should I get a 4Sevens, when the brand is already acquired by Prometheus Lights, which is out of stock on the majority of models?

    Hope to hear from you soon.

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    Default Re: Asking for input on MMX-360, MMX Burst, and Maelstrom G5 S2

    You're posting pretty close to the answers you seek. Click this link. - #1
    Never point a flashlight at anything you don't intend to illuminate! Never buy a flashlight you have to make payments on.

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    That link is where I got the G5 and MMX Burst review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauncey Gardiner View Post
    You're posting pretty close to the answers you seek. Click this link. - #1
    Thank you for your work though! That really took a lot of time and patience. I learned most of the information about the models in discussion from those reviews.

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    I dont own a g5 but i have several mmx burst and 3 360's. Go with mmx burst, they have the same output and beam pattern, the 360's had too many bugs and the mmx burst has a better UI. just keep the contacts clean
    Granny shiftin not double clutchin like you should

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    I see. Thanks. It's just the MMX Burst is rather hard to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QMT93 View Post
    I see. Thanks. It's just the MMX Burst is rather hard to find.

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    Yes they are. The 360 took MMX Burst's place.
    The first run of lights Out Of Stock have not been produced/received yet.
    Sign up for notifications on the lights page You are interested in and You will get an in stock notification.
    The Quarks will arrive first followed by the others.
    The discontinued G5 was produced with several LED variations over it's lifespan. The G5 was more of a thrower than a close up light.
    The G5 also employed head twisting mode changes which are against a patent held by SF and can no longer be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QMT93 View Post
    I see. Thanks. It's just the MMX Burst is rather hard to find.

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    Well, did you purchase one, and if so are you happy with it?
    Never point a flashlight at anything you don't intend to illuminate! Never buy a flashlight you have to make payments on.

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    Ah, I see. Thanks guys, for the info!

    I did get an MMX-360. It feels awesome in the hand. Ooticsplanet lists, "High mode: 460 lumens/ 1.5hrs, Spot beam angle: 8.7 degree". Using that number, I calculate that the light intensity is over 25kcd. Am I correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QMT93 View Post
    Ah, I see. Thanks guys, for the info!

    I did get an MMX-360. It feels awesome in the hand. Ooticsplanet lists, "High mode: 460 lumens/ 1.5hrs, Spot beam angle: 8.7 degree". Using that number, I calculate that the light intensity is over 25kcd. Am I correct?

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    Congrats on your 360!
    Do You mean High or Burst mode?
    Calculating candela, or lux, is dependent upon each individual emitter/optics combination.
    Do You own a light meter? Without one there is just too broad of a margin to estimate what
    You have due to the optics. I don't own a MMX-360, but if I did, I could due a lux/candela estimate
    of one of those with my light meter.

    Those figures are from the legacy Foursevens company. All of the lumen figures were intentionally listed at the low
    end of the scale(Guaranteed minimum value) by the owner/creator of 47's Mr. David Chow.
    It varies between each light, and You probably have slightly more than is listed on the specs for the MMX-360.
    Last edited by Got Lumens?; Yesterday at 06:33 PM.

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    Thanks!

    I mean High mode, because Burst mode only lasts one minute, if not less.

    I don't have any tools to measure the candela. I only use the lumens and spot beam angle data from opticsplanet and google how to calculate candela from lumen.

    How off would that be, in your experience? 10%, 20%, 30%, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by QMT93 View Post
    Thanks!

    I mean High mode, because Burst mode only lasts one minute, if not less.

    I don't have any tools to measure the candela. I only use the lumens and spot beam angle data from opticsplanet and google how to calculate candela from lumen.

    How off would that be, in your experience? 10%, 20%, 30%, etc.?

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    The optics play a huge role. You will get higher calculated numbers from a smooth reflector versus the same angle Orange Peel reflector.
    The values of your rough calculations may help You choose the right light for your application.

    I'm guessing I'd say about 15% Plus or Minus range. Figures calculated without tests can't be fairly compared against one another.
    There are many variables that effect a flashlight's measured outputs.

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    Default Re: Asking for input on MMX-360, MMX Burst, and Maelstrom G5 S2

    On opticsplanet, the reflector is listed as "Smooth". I'll be on the conservative side and deduct 15% from the calculated figure, which leaves 25kcd - 0.15x25 >= 20kcd. Is it a good amount of light intensity?

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