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    Default Paramedic In need of a light!

    1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?

    ____I would like to purchase the light in person from a brick and mortar store. I am located in ______________.
    __x__This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).


    2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)

    ____I don't know yet
    ____Up to $25.
    ____Up to $50.
    __x__Up to $100.
    ____Up to $200.
    ____Up to $300.
    ____Essentially unlimited.


    3) Format:

    ____I am not sure, please help me decide.
    __x__I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
    ____I want a self-contained headlamp.
    ____I want a headlamp with an external pack/power source.
    ____I want a mounted light (typically for a bicycle or vehicle)
    ____I want a lantern/area light.
    ____I want a portable spotlight (it may have an external power source).
    ____Other ____________________________________________


    4) Size:

    ____MICRO - Keychain size.
    ____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
    ____SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
    __x__MEDIUM - Holster/belt ring carry. (>7 inches)
    ____LARGE - Big enough to need its own travel case.
    ____I don’t know/I don't care.


    5) Emitter/Light source:

    ___x_LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
    ____Incandescent (known for superior color rendition)
    ____HID (known for max output, but often at the expense of size)
    ____I don't know.


    6) Manufacturer:

    __x__I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
    ____I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
    ____I am interested in assembling my own components. (for example a “host” or flashlight body from one manufacturer, and a “drop-in” emitter from another source).


    7) What power source do you want to use?

    ____I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Alkaline batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
    __x__I intend to use "Primary"/Disposable Lithium batteries based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D and CR123 sized cells common to most stores (often a cold weather or long storage choice).
    __x__I intend to use Rechargeable cells (NiMH or NiCD) based on the usual AAA/AA/C/D sized cells common to most stores.
    __x__I intend to use Rechargeable cells based on less common formats (18500 or 18650 Li-Ion, RCR123, et-al).
    ____I want a light with an integrated rechargeable battery pack.
    ____I don't know/I need more information on power sources.

    7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
    ____I want a light that plugs directly into the wall (literally with prongs built into the light)
    ____I want a light that has a recharging adapter (your typical "wall wart")
    ____I want a light that snaps into a cradle (usually mounted on a wall)
    __x__I want a separate/stand-alone charger (this involves removing the batteries to charge)
    ____I don't care


    8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).

    ____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
    ____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
    _x___I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
    _x___I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
    ____I want to illuminate an entire field, the neighbor's front yard several houses down, impress my friends and neighbors, etc. (300-700 lumens).
    ____I want search and rescue type illumination (800+ lumens).

    ____SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.


    9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.

    ____All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
    ____Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
    ____Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
    ___x_Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
    ____Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
    ____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.

    9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
    ____Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
    __x__Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
    __x__5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
    __x__30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
    __x__50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
    ____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)

    10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).

    ____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
    ____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
    ____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
    ___x_3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).




    11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.

    ____Not Important (A “night-stand” light).
    ____Slightly Important (Walks around the neighborhood).
    ____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
    __x__Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
    ____I don’t know.


    12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):

    ____Any size switch will do.
    ____I need a BIG switch (I'll be using gloves or have very large hands or coordination issues).
    ____I want a forward clicky (Helpful for momentary activation and signaling).
    ____I want a reverse clicky (For use with multi-mode/level lights).
    ____I want a momentary switch (Predominantly for use with signaling and short bursts of momentary light only).
    ____I want a twisty switch (Tighten the head/tailcap to activate, and the light will stay on until the head/tailcap is loosened).
    ____I want a body mounted switch (near the head, like on a Maglite).
    __x__I want a tail mounted switch (found on the majority of today’s high end lights).
    ____I want a remote switch (usually found on high-end bicycle headlights)
    ____I don't care.
    ____I don’t know.
    ____Other, please specify____________________.


    13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.

    ____A simple on-off with only one output level is fine for me.
    ___x_I want 2 light levels. (Brighter/short runtime and Dimmer/long runtime.)
    ____I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.)
    ____I want a programmable light.
    ____I want a selector ring.
    ____I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
    ____I want SOS mode. (blinks in ...---... emergency pattern)
    ____I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
    ____I don’t care.
    ____I don’t know.


    14)Material/Finish/Coating

    ____Plastic/composite body (this may limit your choices significantly).
    ____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today’s higher end flashlights).
    ____Stainless steel (durable, but much heavier than aluminum)
    ____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
    ____I don’t care.
    __x__I don’t know.
    ____Other, please specify____________.

    15) Water resistance
    ____None needed
    ____IPX4 (Splash resistant)
    __x__IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
    ____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours)

    16) Storage conditions
    ____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
    ____Emergency kit (long standby periods)
    ___x_Automobile glove-box (wide temperature swings, long standby periods, critical reliability)
    ____Other_________________________________________ ____


    17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.

    ____Red filter (for preserving night vision).
    ____Other filter colors (Amber, Green, Blue, _________).
    ____Dedicated R/G/B secondary LEDs.
    ____“Hybrid” light (bright incandescent combined with long running LEDs)
    ____Pocket/belt clip
    __x__Holster
    ____Wrist/Neck Lanyard
    ____Crenulated bezel
    ____Non-sparking, Intrinsically Safe (IS) for use in explosive environments

    So i'm looking for something that will resist beging washed with chemical... Tail cap switch would be great for me. I used to use a Surefire 6px pro that died on me after 8 years of use, so I think she earned her retirement! Any idea are welcome!

    Thank you!

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    Default Re: Paramedic In need of a light!

    Where the hell did you get this form from? Lol

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    Default Re: Paramedic In need of a light!

    It doesn't check every box for you, but check out First-Light Torq.
    It can be had with a belt clip or 2 piece clip where one part goes on the belt and the light snaps on and off the clip.
    I choose to carry a flashlight because I am often kept in the dark.

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    +1 for the Torq from First-Light.
    It eliminates the need for a holster, but the max distance I m not aware...no tail switch but this is better than tail, runtime will depend on batteries but I would recommend the lithium aa primaries not sure if the rechargeables are compatible.
    Can always call the customer service team and they can answer your questions excellent folks... but I have a feeling you’d get the best bang for your buck here and wouldn’t regret it
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailhunter View Post
    Where the hell did you get this form from? Lol

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    Default Re: Paramedic In need of a light!

    I've checked the Torq, the battery are what i'm not too sure about and i fear the light output isn't wow :S

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    The batteries are readily available and I m “thinking” it will be compatible for rechargeable lithium. I personally have the 425 Tomahawk MC, NV and know where there could be a NV available at a very good price (not mine) and I ve got the TMax LE 700 and the LE is a WOW and the output is variable. The throw on these are very good but when it’s all said and done it’s all a matter of what “you” want and no one else.
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    Would you like me to call First Light and find out more on the torque?
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    Quote Originally Posted by usdiver View Post
    Would you like me to call First Light and find out more on the torque?
    Thanks! I'll write to them! Thing with the torq is the low lumen! and the other model are kind of a big step up in price! But i really love their belt holster! Gonna check the shipping price ( I live in Canada)

    Any other good option?

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    Default Paramedic In need of a light!

    🤔
    Don’t let the low output fool you... I had a 150 lumen Tomahawk le that threw pretty good in comparison to my HDs 250. The 425 reached the same distance as the HDs 250... .09 mile bout 140 meters plus a hair. The 700 t Max blows em all away.

    For what you do I ve not found a more useful light with so many options and I ve got HDS, Surefire, and my First Lights
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    I believe the Nitecore P30 hits all your buttons. It will use either primary CR123s or an 18650 cell. It has an on/off switch on the tail, and a side switch for mode selection. Using an 18650 the rated run time on High is 3 hr, 2 hr if using CR123s. It is a nice compact light, and carries well on one's belt Since I live in an urban area, I normally EDC a Nitecore EA11, but if I think I might be in a situation that calls for more distance and/or longer run time, it's the P30 that goes on my belt.
    MSRP is around $60 USD, which leaves you enough of your $100 to pick up the Nitecore MT06MD, which is a nice penlight designed for medical uses (certified blue light safe).
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    For many years on the bus I used a Malkoff MD2 with high low ring. My main battery was 18650 with a bunch of CR123s as backup. For checking pupils, the edge of the beam on low worked well. I worked in an urban area so I felt the “T” series would have been better to cut through all of the light pollution but I did manage just fine with an M61N.

    The price might be a be a bit more than what your looking for but second hand you might be able to get one.

    As far as Hi CRI, I also carried an aaa light for skin assessment if necessary, but have found the neutral tint on the M61N was acceptable most of the time.

    Now that I have more lights, I use a HCRI HDS and a single aaa light with a Convoy C8 and a Zebralight H600fc for a headlamp and thrower backup (mostly just because I like flashlights)

    a more budget friendly light is the Fenix PD35, multiple modes- easy to use and a useful beam.
    Last edited by tech25; 08-02-2019 at 02:21 PM.

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    I've look at Malkoff and Elzetta, but they are way too much here in Canada ( Close to 300/350$). I'm concerned with the Nitecore and Fenix durability are they good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warax View Post
    I'm concerned with the Nitecore and Fenix durability are they good?
    Between the 2, Fenix for sure.

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    Out of curiosity what kind of warranty do Fenix and nitecore have?
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    How about the SureFire 6px pro? I am assuming your old one was 200 lumens, while the new one is 600 lumens. It has pretty much everything your looking for.

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    30 year EMT here, easy answer- Look at the Streamlight Protac line with rechargeable USB capability. Those lights will last you forever.


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    Default Re: Paramedic In need of a light!

    40 years in EMS and 35 year "career" Paramedic here, and I can tell you that a Malkoff MD2 (or 3), with the High/Low ring, is the finest flashlight you will ever find for the job!

    I have been using Malkoff's for 10+ years (my first were carried in Surefire 6P's and 9P's) and then switched over to the MD2's and 3's.

    I realize they are more money, but I can tell you from experience, you will NOT find a better flashlight (or finer people then Gene and Cathy) out there.

    Wish you much luck in your search!
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    Good luck with your search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usdiver View Post
    Out of curiosity what kind of warranty do Fenix and nitecore have?
    In Canada, Fenix has a standard 1 year warranty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman View Post
    In Canada, Fenix has a standard 1 year warranty
    Thanks Norman I suspected 1-2 and was suggesting something with a lifetime warranty
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    Default Re: Paramedic In need of a light!

    thx guys, i've email First Light to know a bit more about their light! I'll have a look at the other option i got here too!

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    Let us know how it goes
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    When I was still on the street full time I ran a 1xcr123 solarforce with xpg2. Tons of output and still nice low low for up close work. It’s out classed with the current breed of high cri options but that’s still the form factor I would go with 99% of the time. I guess if I was working more of a wilderness gig I’d look at something with more capacity. And maybe a 90 degree style like some of those streamlights.

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